If You Vote -- It means the politicians have fooled you.

[William Tell]

It's a dirty job, but some folks need to do it.Politics Is a Sociopathic Cult

I can imagine no more absurd explanation for the outcome of the 2004 elections than the proposition that they were a victory for "spiritual values." In the face of the continual lying and butchery practiced by the Bush administration, one can only ponder the distorted meaning of "values" that were endorsed on election day. Shall we next hear of Nazi concentration camps and Soviet gulags being celebrated for "bringing people together"?

If only more people in Germany had opted out of the electoral process, then the NAZIS would have won their elections in a greater landslide. And the lower turnout would have exposed the corrupt process, by the people withdrawing their consent. Beats voting for good people.

[specsaregood]

Let's just sit on our butts harder, OK?

Is it any wonder Randal isn't trying real hard to get these morons votes?

[heavenlyboy34]

The founders of this country would be rolling over in their graves if they saw us not using the votes they fought so hard to give us.

Some might. Others would be proud of the folks who sold "The People" into open-air slavery. Pretending "The Founders" were all benevolent fellows with only good intent is just folly. A certain percentage of any large group is going to be sociopathic. Politicians gonna politik. It's one of those things that hasn't changed in all human history.

Living With Hamilton's Curse

[Ronin Truth]

Hmmm.... Like spouting off on a political forum about the futility of politics? You are doing yeoman's work.

It's a dirty job, but some folks just have to do it.



Politics Is a Sociopathic Cult

[heavenlyboy34]

Congrats On Your Vote, Too Bad It Probably Didn't Count


"Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws." -Barron Rothschild

[Ronin Truth]

The founders of this country would be rolling over in their graves if they saw us not using the votes they fought so hard to give us.

Who, all of those white only male property owner voters? Who taught you American History? Government schools, I'll betcha.

[William Tell]

Congrats On Your Vote, Too Bad It Probably Didn't Count


"Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws." -Barron Rothschild

Sitting on our butts would make Mr Rothchild's power go away.

[Ronin Truth]

If only more people in Germany had opted out of the electoral process, then the NAZIS would have won their elections in a greater landslide. And the lower turnout would have exposed the corrupt process, by the people withdrawing their consent. Beats voting for good people.

I just love hypotheticals, the are just so often really fun and silly.

[TheTexan]

If only more people in Germany had opted out of the electoral process, then the NAZIS would have won their elections in a greater landslide. And the lower turnout would have exposed the corrupt process, by the people withdrawing their consent. Beats voting for good people.

Yes, this is an excellent example of how votes can save lives. All the people who voted against the nazis, are heros in my book. It's a shame the people who voted no just ended up thrown in camps though. If only they had voted just a little bit harder.

[William Tell]

I just love hypotheticals, the are just so often really fun and silly.

It's not a hypothetical, the Nazis came to power through an election.

[Ronin Truth]

Is it any wonder Randal isn't trying real hard to get these morons votes?

Yeah Dr. Paul, don't waste your resources.

[presence]

Tacit consent is not present when you have consistently voted against everything that has become policy. You get a couple days a year to register your displeasure; and it doesn't cost you anything.

Tacit consent to be governed is given in exchange for a very questionable illusion of choice. Quite the deal with the devil really.

Mark Twain — 'If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.'

"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

[Ronin Truth]

It's not a hypothetical, the Nazis came to power through an election.

DUH!

[William Tell]

If only Ron Paul had retired in 2008, that would have been so much more effective than starting that silly, toothless "Revolution" that made liberty mainstream.

[donnay]

Is it any wonder Randal isn't trying real hard to get these morons votes?

Yeah, this moron was present for the recount when his father was gypped of his 2008 primary votes. When Ron decided to run again in 2012, I jumped in once again to help spread the message of liberty. He did come in second place in 2012--they just tossed us a bone, because we were watching them.

[Ronin Truth]

Tacit consent is not present when you have consistently voted against everything that has become policy. You get a couple days a year to register your displeasure; and it doesn't cost you anything.

Correct, but your consistent and continual involvement, support and legitimizing of the process doesn't really help matters improve all that much either.

[CaptUSA]

Tacit consent to be governed is given in exchange for a very questionable illusion of choice. Quite the deal with the devil really.

I would argue that they have assumed your signature on the social contract whether or not your voted for it, against it, or not at all. Given the 3 options, I still prefer to register my disapproval.

[CaptUSA]

Correct, but your consistent and continual involvement, support and legitimizing of the process doesn't really help matters improve all that much either.

Getting closer....

Your abstention from the process does even less.

[Spikender]

I once voted.

It was scary so I don't think I'm going to do that again.

[Ronin Truth]

Getting closer....

Your abstention from the process does even less.

The only way to win in a rigged game, is to not play.

[CaptUSA]

The only way to win in a rigged game, is to not play.

Fail.

They still take your stuff. You lose anyway. Whether you "play" or not.

If, by some stretch of the imagination, you were correct and you could win by not playing, then perhaps you could make your case. They do not need your vote to legitimize themselves. Your lack of a vote just makes it easier for them.

[donnay]

Fail.

They still take your stuff. You lose anyway. Whether you "play" or not.

So what is your point and what would be your solution? A lose/lose scenario doesn't help the cause of liberty.

[Ronin Truth]

I would argue that they have assumed your signature on the social contract whether or not your voted for it, against it, or not at all. Given the 3 options, I still prefer to register my disapproval.

The "social contract" (so called) is not worth paper that it's NOT written on. The system thrives on feedback, starve it to death.

[William Tell]

The only way to win in a rigged game, is to not play.

Hopefully Hillary wins with 100% of the vote. That will prove she does not have support, such an outcome will not be a rubber stamp for her policies. Hopefully Justin Amash and Thomas Massie will never run again, that will leave congress to be dominated by guys like John McCain, John Boehner, and Nancy Pelosi. The lack of reasonable Congressmen will wake more people up to the what is going on than Ron Paul ever did. We will all sit on our butts as society collapses, and people inevitably embrace voluntarism as the only answer to everything. Those Americans left, will not allow an evil leader or system of government, because somehow they will be smarter than 99% of of those before them.

This is far better than actually being involved in any way politically. Ron Paul running was the worst thing for liberty in modern history. Because he convinced so many people to try and stop tyranny, which is impossible, because those in power are totally powerful.

[Ronin Truth]

Fail.

They still take your stuff. You lose anyway. Whether you "play" or not.

If, by some stretch of the imagination, you were correct and you could win by not playing, then perhaps you could make your case. They do not need your vote to legitimize themselves. Your lack of a vote just makes it easier for them.

Nor yours, obviously. The difference being? I think you are finally making my case. Thanks!

[CaptUSA]

So what is your point and what would be your solution? A lose/lose scenario doesn't help the cause of liberty.

Not at all. All the pieces play a part. Voting is just one of the easiest things someone can do. It is of little value, really, until there are large swaths of people voting their rights to be upheld. But in the meantime, at least it registers a little disapproval. I always say people should work their own path - whichever they deem most fruitful. But I also ask that they don't waste their time trying to undermine the efforts of others who are in the same fight. There are those that are working for a political solution - the least I can do to help them is to throw my vote in and wish them the best of luck.

[Ronin Truth]

Hopefully Hillary wins with 100% of the vote. That will prove she does not have support, such an outcome will not be a rubber stamp for her policies. Hopefully Justin Amash and Thomas Massie will never run again, that will leave congress to be dominated by guys like John McCain, John Boehner, and Nancy Pelosi. The lack of reasonable Congressmen will wake more people up to the what is going on than Ron Paul ever did. We will all sit on our butts as society collapses, and people inevitably embrace voluntarism as the only answer to everything. Those Americans left, will not allow an evil leader or system of government, because somehow they will be smarter than 99% of of those before them.

This is far better than actually being involved in any way politically. Ron Paul running was the worst thing for liberty in modern history. Because he convinced so many people to try and stop tyranny, which is impossible, because those in power are totally powerful.

100% of the vote is always a minority of the eligible voters. It appears the the majority has either figured the scam out or are indifferent to the powerless waste of time.

[heavenlyboy34]

Nor yours, obviously. The difference being? I think you are finally making my case. Thanks!

Oh, SNAP! Well played, comrade. ~hugs~

[William Tell]

So what is your point and what would be your solution? A lose/lose scenario doesn't help the cause of liberty.

Maybe something weird like finding common ground, and organizing to effect good change in every way possible. Might counteract those who find common ground, and organize to effect bad change?

Maybe most real changes, for good and ill, have started as 'political movements' of sorts?
Could be.

[donnay]

Not at all. All the pieces play a part. Voting is just one of the easiest things someone can do. It is of little value, really, until there are large swaths of people voting their rights to be upheld. But in the meantime, at least it registers a little disapproval. I always say people should work their own path - whichever they deem most fruitful. But I also ask that they don't waste their time trying to undermine the efforts of others who are in the same fight. There are those that are working for a political solution - the least I can do to help them is to throw my vote in and wish them the best of luck.

What will happen with the influx of illegal aliens on the government dole are allowed to vote? Will you cry foul then?