This is my conversation with someone on the CFR/NAU. What do you guys have to say about this?
s: http://www.cfr.org/
s: yeah
Doronster195: thats their site
Doronster195: so i doubt you'd find it on their website
s: Looks to me like an information site.
s: Information and Analysis.
s: Doesn't look to me that it advocates anything itself.
Doronster195: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kjsy...eature=related.
Doronster195: have a look at that
Doronster195: short 4 min video
Doronster195: i also heard the Mexican president talk about something like this in an interview
Doronster195: i forget by who
Doronster195: did you watc hit?
s: Yes
s: Idiots
s: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...American_Union
s: Just talking about something and exploring ideas does not translate into a giant conspiracy
Doronster195: well, i doubt they would make it obvious to the public that they're trying to do this sort of thing
s: Who is "they"
Doronster195: the people who want to make an NAU
s: That's the problem with most conspiracy theories.
s: "They" is us.
s: What you have here is pretty typical....
s: With all the media today, and all the political commentators...
s: It's easy to find X number of publications or speakers on any topic.
s: Mix in some idealists.
s: Along with some legitimate security debate.
s: And next thing you know you can present a conspiracy that idiots will talk about as if it's some dark secret.
s: There is WAY too much transparancy in our media for this to be a conspiracy.
s: Too many pundits, too many bloggers.
s: It only takes a few minutes to see that the CFR is a legitimate forum for analyzing world issues.
s: Not an advocacy group perp-se
s: per-se
s: The very fact that most other politicians belong to it is evidence of that.
s: The idea that all of them except for Ron Paul are somehow advocating NAU is ludicrous.
s: As if Clinton, McCain, Obama and Guliani would agree on such a thing.
s: or anything
s: As for the NAU...
s: allow me to point out something obvious...
s: Right now if you wanted to ship a nuke into the U.S., the easiest way would probably be to get it into Canada and just drive south.
Doronster195: yeah
s: Or north from Mexico.
s: My point being - advocating such a union isn't a brain-dead stupid idea.
Doronster195: how so
s: We'd be able to secure the Canadian border (Canada to the rest of the world) in a way we can't now.
s: Much easier to secure Canada's ports and air space than the long land border.
s: That said, it's a silly debate
s: Because no way would Canada or Mexico want such a union.
s: Not to mention most Americans.
Doronster195: lets hope not
s: Plenty of realistic things to worry about.
Doronster195: but
Doronster195: ifit did happen
Doronster195: it would be really bad
s: Why?
Doronster195: we would lose our sovreignity
s: Give me a break
Doronster195: the NAU would bea ble to legislate laws
Doronster195: to the whole continent
s: In any such union, we'd totally dominate it.
Doronster195: and override our own
s: By population and economy.
Doronster195: like the EU is doign currently
s: We'd have tons of cheap Mexican labor.
s: And be able to exploit Canada's resources.
s: That's why it won't happen - no way would Canada or Mexico accept such a thing.
s: EU is different
s: And it's an experiment that is likely to fail.
s: EU is an attempt to merge multiple homogeounous cultures each with its own distinct traditions and currency.
s: A North American culture would merge 3 cultures, two of which are nearly identical already, one of which is already multiethnic.
s: And all of which pretty much use the dollar anyway.
s: But even though it would probably work better than the EU - it won't happen.
s: Unless we invade Canada and Mexico and take them over.
s: That could happen.
s: Dobbs is an idiot
s: A country that imports as much stuff as we do MUST work out agreements with other countries.
s: Otherwise they can ship us crap
s: Like toys covered with lead paint in China
s: Helping protect Mexico's southern border is necessary
s: These guys are idiots
s: We need to cooperate and engage with our neighbors.
s: And to say that any time we make a deal with them somehow compromises our sovereignty is talking heads trying to get attention.
s: Utter bull$#@!
s: Worse, it's crying wolf.
s: Because we'll ignore them when they catch our leaders doing something really serious or criminal.
Also check out the links he and I posted.
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