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so religion should be put above God?
Ephesians 2:8-9-
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Let me re-explain the thread, since you seem a bit confused.
Early in the thread you mentioned EO's won't like it and asked about our where abouts.
Lily answered and implied that EOs put religion above God.
I said that was false. That I didn't put religion above God and tried to explain that false accusations about what others believe leads to the turbulent threads that accomplish nothing and why no one listens to one another.
The Bible states that you will know Christians by their fruit, so anyone who doesn't have any good works in their life at all doesn't truly believe in Jesus. This isn't a hard concept to understand. Good works are not a prerequisite to be saved. Someone can be saved on their death bed without doing any good works at all. But someone who has had an authentic conversion to Christ will demonstrate that belief through a changed life and good works.
I just want to give you a chance to clarify your beliefs for everyone. Do you believe that good works are a prerequisite for salvation? In other words, if an unsaved person is on their death bed and about to die, is it impossible for that person to be saved since they haven't done any good works?
Ephesians 2:8-9-
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Last edited by Brett85; 10-20-2014 at 08:33 PM.
That seems like a different debate. My question is, has anyone on this forum ever claimed that good works are a prerequisite for salvation? Does anyone on this forum believe that for example it would've been impossible for Adolf Hitler to be saved if he had accepted Christ on his death bed? Would it have been impossible for Hitler to have been saved because of all the awful things he did and because he hadn't done any good works?
I don't think that's true. You can be a monergist and believe that works are a prerequisite for salvation, and you can be a monergist who believes that they aren't, and you can be a synergist who believes that they are, and you can be a synergist who believes that they aren't.
Have you watched it yet?
I didn't mention any particular church or religion in the video, it's just a list of 10 reasons why Salvation by works does not work and is not the true Gospel.
I hope you watch it, and comment on what was said in the video, as opposed to comments on this thread. And btw, when I said religion should never be put above God, I say that as a general statement that applies to everyone, of every religion and denomination. I hope we all agree on that, at least.
“I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”
― Henry David Thoreau
Ephesians 2:8-9-
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
TC, I hear what you've been saying on this thread.... And I said pretty much the same thing in the video. I said that the good works will come, as a fruit of being born again and having a new nature. I think the thing that Kevin has been focusing on is that works don't save us.
Did you get a chance to watch it yet?
“I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”
― Henry David Thoreau
Since you put it so nicely, I definitely will watch it.
We do.I hope you watch it, and comment on what was said in the video, as opposed to comments on this thread. And btw, when I said religion should never be put above God, I say that as a general statement that applies to everyone, of every religion and denomination. I hope we all agree on that, at least.
Of course everyone sins and doesn't always do what the Holy Spirit tells them to do. But it's those who completely ignore the Holy Spirit and don't confess and feel bad about their sin who are in trouble spiritually. Whether such a person actually loses their salvation or was never truly saved to begin with, I can't really say for sure. But you can't be a Christian if you just use your salvation as a license to sin, if you don't even make a legitimate attempt not to sin.
Yeah, I watched it. It was well done, and I didn't really disagree with much of what you said. But I haven't personally seen anyone on this forum argue that good works are a prerequisite for salvation, and I thought you made the comment at the beginning of the video that some people on this forum argue that good works are a prerequisite for salvation, that we're saved by our works. I personally haven't seen anyone on this forum argue in favor of that. Maybe I just missed it.
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