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    Report: 92 Percent Of Mass Shootings Since 2009 Occured In Gun Free Zones



    On October 9, the Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC) released a revised report showing that 92% of mass public shootings between January 2009 and July 2014 took place in gun-free zones.

    The CPRC report was released in response to an Everytown for Gun Safety study claiming only 14% of mass public shootings took place in gun-free zones. Everytown actually claimed 86% of such incidents occurred in places where guns were allowed.

    CPRC showed that the 86% claim rests on Everytown's "inclusion of attacks in private homes" and "numerous errors in identifying whether citizens can defend themselves." For example, Everytown "[ignores] rules that prevent general citizens from carrying guns [for self-defense]" in certain cities, and they fail to recognize that "allowing police to carry guns is not the same thing as letting civilians defend themselves."

    continued with links...http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...Gun-Free-Zones
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    Ban gun free zones!

    -t

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    Ban gun free zones!

    -t
    hear hear

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    Ban gun free zones!

    -t
    For the children.
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    Well, if we banned guns EVERYWHERE, then that would cut down on at least 8% of shootings, right?
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    I have not heard a single "mass shooter" say they chose an area based on its gun restrictions but rather on the fact that they were places people gathered. They chose places they knew- they didn't search for places where people were less likely to be carrying guns.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...mass-shootings

    Among the 62 mass shootings over the last 30 years that we studied, not a single case includes evidence that the killer chose to target a place because it banned guns. To the contrary, in many of the cases there was clearly another motive for the choice of location. For example, 20 were workplace shootings, most of which involved perpetrators who felt wronged by employers and colleagues. Last September, when a troubled man working at a sign manufacturer in Minneapolis was told he would be let go, he pulled out a 9mm Glock and killed six people and injured another before putting a bullet in his own head. Similar tragedies unfolded at a beer distributor in Connecticut in 2010 and at a plastics factory in Kentucky in 2008.

    Or consider the 12 school shootings we documented, in which all but one of the killers had personal ties to the school they struck. FBI investigators learned from one witness, for example, that the mass shooter in Newtown had long been fixated on Sandy Hook Elementary School, which he'd once attended.
    Indeed, America is anything but gun free. We now have more than 300 million firearms in private hands. In the last four years, nearly 100 state laws have loosened restrictions on them. To varying degrees, every state except Illinois now allows guns to be carried in public.

    All of which raises an obvious question: If more guns in more places is a solution to the bloodshed, then why did we just witness the worst year for mass shootings in recent history?
    Not arguing for fewer guns or gun restrictions, just finding the claim that "gun free zones" was a consideration or cause of any of the mass shootings we have seen hard to swallow. There were reasons they chose the places they did- but "gun free zone" has not been seen to be among the reasons.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-12-2014 at 08:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I have not heard a single "mass shooter" say they chose an area based on its gun restrictions but rather on the fact that they were places people gathered. They chose places they knew- they didn't search for places where people were less likely to be carrying guns.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...mass-shootings




    Not arguing for fewer guns or gun restrictions, just finding the claim that "gun free zones" was a consideration or cause of any of the mass shootings we have seen hard to swallow. There were reasons they chose the places they did- but "gun free zone" has not been seen to be among the reasons.
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    I don't see anywhere in the article where the shooter said he chose it because it was "gun free". Even the headline is a question- not a statement. It is speculation and an op-ed piece.

    OPINION
    Did Colorado shooter single out Cinemark theater because it banned guns?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-12-2014 at 08:50 PM.

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    Personally, I find Lott more credible in regards to the subject of guns.

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    Not arguing for fewer guns or gun restrictions, just finding the claim that "gun free zones" was a consideration or cause of any of the mass shootings we have seen hard to swallow. There were reasons they chose the places they did- but "gun free zone" has not been seen to be among the reasons.
    You're going downhill Zippy. I don't remember seeing the claim that gun free zones was a consideration, although it certainly wouldn't be a deterrent would it? And if it wasn't a cause, again, it does make things a bit more convenient, no?

    Nobody said to my knowledge they decided to shoot up the place because it was a gun free zone, it just made it very easy for them to do so.
    "The Patriarch"

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    The article implies that if there were fewer "gun free" zones there would be fewer mass shootings. There is nothing to indicate that is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The article implies that if there were fewer "gun free" zones there would be fewer mass shootings. There is nothing to indicate that is true.
    I don't even know how to respond to that, it is a absurd statement.
    "The Patriarch"

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    This can't be! It's impossible to shoot somebody in a gun free zone, there are no guns to shoot with.

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    Armed Individual at Colorado School May Have Prevented Mass Shooting

    It was the beginning of this year when anti-gunners were saying how ridiculous of an idea it was to have more armed good guys in schools in order to prevent shootings.
    However, on Friday, in Centennial, CO, just a 15 minute drive from both Columbine and Aurora (what the hell is going on in that tiny area of the country anyway?!), a good guy with a gun did just what the anti-gunners said was impossible.
    According to the most recent reports about the attempted Arapahoe High School shooting, an armed resource officer at the school most likely caused Karl Pierson to take his own life before he could take anyone else’s.
    According to CNN,
    The rampage might have resulted in many more casualties had it not been for the quick response of a deputy sheriff who was working as a school resource officer at the school, Robinson said.


    Once he learned of the threat, he ran — accompanied by an unarmed school security officer and two administrators — from the cafeteria to the library, Robinson said. “It’s a fairly long hallway, but the deputy sheriff got there very quickly.”
    The deputy was yelling for people to get down and identified himself as a county deputy sheriff, Robinson said. “We know for a fact that the shooter knew that the deputy was in the immediate area and, while the deputy was containing the shooter, the shooter took his own life.”
    He praised the deputy’s response as “a critical element to the shooter’s decision” to kill himself, and lauded his response to hearing gunshots. “He went to the thunder,” he said. “He heard the noise of gunshot and, when many would run away from it, he ran toward it to make other people safe.”
    There you go. The only reason that this didn’t turn into a mass shooting was the presence of a good guy with a gun on the scene when the incident started.
    Claire Esther Davis, a 17 year old senior, was the lone victim of the shooting. She remains in critical condition at an area hospital suffering from a gunshot wound to the head.

    http://gunssavelives.net/news/armed-...mass-shooting/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I have not heard a single "mass shooter" say they chose an area based on its gun restrictions but rather on the fact that they were places people gathered.
    That's all the evidence I need. Zippy has confirmed that gun-free zones and gun restrictions have absolutely no effect on shootings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    This can't be! It's impossible to shoot somebody in a gun free zone, there are no guns to shoot with.
    That is certainly true. Leave it to the Doctor to bring logic into this discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navy-vet View Post
    That is certainly true. Leave it to the Doctor to bring logic into this discussion.
    Are you reading my rep notes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I have not heard a single "mass shooter" say they chose an area based on its gun restrictions but rather on the fact that they were places people gathered. They chose places they knew- they didn't search for places where people were less likely to be carrying guns.

    Not arguing for fewer guns or gun restrictions, just finding the claim that "gun free zones" was a consideration or cause of any of the mass shootings we have seen hard to swallow. There were reasons they chose the places they did- but "gun free zone" has not been seen to be among the reasons.
    That is because it is implied. Hence, when a stranger points a gun at you demanding your wallet and watch, it needn’t be stated that you’re being robbed.

    …And with comparison to: https://www.google.com/search?q=robb...+or+show&hl=en

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That's all the evidence I need. Zippy has confirmed that gun-free zones and gun restrictions have absolutely no effect on shootings.
    Exactly. Zippy is actually on our side and is saying what we're all thinking here.

    Good on him, glad to see him using his critical thinking skills for good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I have not heard a single "mass shooter" say they chose an area based on its gun restrictions but rather on the fact that they were places people gathered. They chose places they knew- they didn't search for places where people were less likely to be carrying guns.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...mass-shootings


    Not arguing for fewer guns or gun restrictions, just finding the claim that "gun free zones" was a consideration or cause of any of the mass shootings we have seen hard to swallow. There were reasons they chose the places they did- but "gun free zone" has not been seen to be among the reasons.

    Who says they are looking for a gun free zone? You can bet that if there is someplace where it's customary for a gaggle of hundreds or more sheep to gather that the state government is going to try to make it a "gun free" safe zone. It just happens that those are the main places that gun restrictions are put into effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The article implies that if there were fewer "gun free" zones there would be fewer mass shootings. There is nothing to indicate that is true.
    Because if people were allowed to defend themselves, naturally they wouldn't. They would all calmly lay their weapons down and serenely wait to get shot.



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