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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    The northern border is too. Right?

    There's just something about that southern border though that some people get all worked up about.
    They aren't really concerned about borders in general- just ones Mexicans might use. (But they won't exactly say that because it might sound racist). That is why Canada is not a concern. It isn't about terrorists who will use whatever they can. The 9/11 conspirators entered the country legally- they don't have to sneak up from Mexico.

    We are spending twice as much on border security as we did ten years ago. How many more taxes are you willing to pay to add even more?

    Not wanting to spend more is not necessarily to be in favor of completely open borders. But that is a tactic to make it the "if you aren't with us, you are for the terrorists! (Mexicans) we heard from Bush after 9/11. That got us the Patriot act so we do need to be cautious about wanting to use fear to ask for more security.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-09-2014 at 04:03 PM.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by FloralScent View Post
    That's the real agenda of open borders crowd. Peoples with unique identities, customs and cultures are harder to control when you're trying to run an empire.
    I am all for legal immigration, especially if the immigrants can take care of themselves without relying on government. My family came here LEGALLY from Hong Kong. It took years of money, filing paper work, health exams. My oldest aunt came here first and lived in northern Michigan. She then cosponsored the rest of her family to come legally.

    Speaking of health exams..

    A 2013 Defense Department study conducted in Central and South America on patients with flu-like illness, did identify EV-D68 in some of the test subjects. All 3,375 test subjects were age 25 or under.
    The CDC now reports that cases of EV-D68 have been seen in 43 states as well as the District of Columbia. However, unofficially, the virus which has left many children with permanent breathing problems and limb paralysis, has also taken the life of four U.S. children, since mid-August.

    There seems to be a reason why people have to pass medical exams. My grandfather is a smoker and he had a blemish on his X-ray of his lung. He had to wait till the blemish went away before he can get released into US.



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    They aren't really concerned about borders in general- just ones Mexicans might use. (But they won't exactly say that because it might sound racist). That is why Canada is not a concern. It isn't about terrorists who will use whatever they can. The 9/11 conspirators entered the country legally- they don't have to sneak up from Mexico.

    We are spending twice as much on border security as we did ten years ago. How many more taxes are you willing to pay to add even more?

    Not wanting to spend more is not necessarily to be in favor of completely open borders. But that is a tactic to make it the "if you aren't with us, you are for the terrorists! (Mexicans) we heard from Bush after 9/11. That got us the Patriot act so we do need to be cautious about wanting to use fear to ask for more security.
    Canada is a developed country, meaning that they have the same sanitary conditions as USA for the most part.

    Have you noticed if you go to a developing country and drink the water, you get diarrhea and the locals are fine? It is because our immune systems are not used to going from a clean environment to a less clean one. Since most of us live in sanitary conditions in USA, when you introduce people who may have been in unsanitary conditions and exposed and may be carriers of diseases (they are immune since they are used to it from constant exposure), it will put the rest of us in danger. We may or may not be able to develop immune response (because of different genes). It is like when white people killed off a lot of native americans with small pox.

    I am not saying all of mexico/central/south america is unsanitary. I am saying most immigrants are from poor areas, which is unsanitary.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by FloralScent View Post
    That's the real agenda of open borders crowd. Peoples with unique identities, customs and cultures are harder to control when you're trying to run an empire.


    Is that the empire you're talking about? So you're saying a little diversity could help?

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    They aren't really concerned about borders in general- just ones Mexicans might use. (But they won't exactly say that because it might sound racist).
    From our resident cultural Marxist propaganda officer. Demonize anyone who disagrees with you on anything, right? I'll have to let all of my Hispanic friends know that they oppose more immigration right now because they are racist against Hispanics.
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    From our resident cultural Marxist propaganda officer.
    Shouting "racist!" every time someone dares protest the agenda of globalization. Trotsky knew what he was doing. We've been conditioned for almost 100 years to cower whenever it is uttered our direction.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by alucard13mm View Post
    Open borders.. might as well give up our sovereignty and become the north American union. If we let people come in illegally and get citizenship, might as well save time and make us all north American citizens. Get rid of the Constitution and have a new one for the union.
    Closed borders...might as well call yourself a hypocrite if you claim to value individual liberty and the free market.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    From our resident cultural Marxist propaganda officer. Demonize anyone who disagrees with you on anything, right? I'll have to let all of my Hispanic friends know that they oppose more immigration right now because they are racist against Hispanics.
    Yup, you got us. Libertarianism is really a front for a tyrannical communist takeover of American society...

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    Who knows? Nobody keeps track or cares. I wonder how many people would even call that "sneaking" if some white English-speaking Canadian came to the US without telling the government.
    Yeah, they probably would if 20-40 million of them had illegally entered the country, many of whom hate the U.S. and immediately went on the dole. You betcha.
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  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by NIU Students for Liberty View Post
    Yup, you got us. Libertarianism is really a front for a tyrannical communist takeover of American society...
    Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by FloralScent View Post
    That's the real agenda of open borders crowd. Peoples with unique identities, customs and cultures are harder to control when you're trying to run an empire.
    Not really. Multiculturalism within a country is a huge fail. Americans don't even know what they stand for anymore. It's so sad to watch.
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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by NIU Students for Liberty View Post
    Yup, you got us. Libertarianism is really a front for a tyrannical communist takeover of American society...
    Nice strawman. I wasn't addressing you or libertarianism. But if you want to start being a collectivist and calling everyone who disagrees with you on an issue a racist, then it applies to you too.
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Not really. Multiculturalism within a country is a huge fail. Americans don't even know what they stand for anymore. It's so sad to watch.
    I think you misunderstood my post. Multiculturalism is a tool used by the globalist to destroy national identities, thereby eliminating resistance to their rule. In other words, I agree with you.

    Does this sound familiar?

    They meant, complete abolition of the nation state, to be absorbed by the GLOBAL Soviet state...A.K.A., the NWO.

    It's sounds a lot like the poison the Red Brigade here on RPF has been pushing.
    Last edited by FloralScent; 10-09-2014 at 08:43 PM.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by NIU Students for Liberty View Post
    Closed borders...might as well call yourself a hypocrite if you claim to value individual liberty and the free market.
    I am for the maximum amount for liberty and economic prosperity for my fellow citizens. This in no way diminishes the amount of liberty others may enjoy, as it is not my job to bring liberty to them.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

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  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    From our resident cultural Marxist propaganda officer. Demonize anyone who disagrees with you on anything, right? I'll have to let all of my Hispanic friends know that they oppose more immigration right now because they are racist against Hispanics.
    It the same playbook they have been using for years. And still there are fools that let themselves be intimidated by it.

    "The Patriarch"

  19. #46
    Oh, so if I'm opposed to millions and millions of people entering the country from collectivist, sometimes outright Marxist $#@!holes to the south, then voting en masse to take even more of my freedom and my property from me, that makes me a racist, even though I have devoted years of time and thousands of dollars to helping, mostly minority, victims of police and state abuse.

    $#@! off.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    Ohhhh. So it's about "3rd worlders."

    Do you want us to have laws that label certain people as "3rd worlders" so that we can put special restrictions on them?
    1,000 troll points to you sir.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 10-10-2014 at 05:31 AM.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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  21. #48
    I am from the so called 3rd world and I get it. Even Nigerians want to stop all flights from Liberia coming into the country. Nigeria have supposedly been able to contain the ebola and its no longer a threat but the idea that you desire to protect your personal space from potential contact based contagious disease is very normal. It's not about people being racist or anything. I bet people will be calling for the closing of the northern borders if some uncurable disease started showing up in Canada.

    I have my theories on how the disease came about but regardless of my conspiracy theories, i know its real and is a potential danger to ones safety. Now stop calling each other a racist and embrace a black person dying of ebola cos you are a hypocrite if you refuse to do it
    Last edited by juleswin; 10-10-2014 at 06:31 AM.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Oh, so if I'm opposed to millions and millions of people entering the country from collectivist, sometimes outright Marxist $#@!holes to the south, then voting en masse to take even more of my freedom and my property from me, that makes me a racist, even though I have devoted years of time and thousands of dollars to helping, mostly minority, victims of police and state abuse.

    $#@! off.
    Remember, the smallest minority is the individual. You applied collectivism in the same sentence that you disowned it.

    You are not only in favor of the U.S. government denying the natural right to movement, but also recognize that these people are *fleeing* Marxist states. Lol, tell me again how you oppose state abuse.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by alucard13mm View Post
    Open borders.. might as well give up our sovereignty and become the north American union. If we let people come in illegally and get citizenship, might as well save time and make us all north American citizens. Get rid of the Constitution and have a new one for the union.
    Because it's working out so marvelously now. The Constitution has been being pissed upon since at the least 1798. By the very people who actually knew what it stood for, I might add. Do I really need to list flagrant violation after violation of the BoR?

    Why do you want a ruler so bad? Does transactions occurring free from the obstruction of government officials really scare you that badly as to openly call for limits to your freedom? In other words, is freedom that scary as to revere chains placed upon you or are you simply a product of the current system?
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    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by staerker View Post
    Remember, the smallest minority is the individual. You applied collectivism in the same sentence that you disowned it.

    You are not only in favor of the U.S. government denying the natural right to movement, but also recognize that these people are *fleeing* Marxist states. Lol, tell me again how you oppose state abuse.
    They are fleeing in same sense Massholes flee their collectivist $#@!hole, then vote to create a new one wherever they end up.

    Californicated means the same thing.

    Talk me when the state has been dismantled and does not hold nearly so much power over my life.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    They are fleeing in same sense Massholes flee their collectivist $#@!hole, then vote to create a new one wherever they end up.

    Californicated means the same thing.

    Talk me when the state has been dismantled and does not hold nearly so much power over my life.
    You live in a Constitution Free Zone, you know?

    What do you suppose precipitated that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    You live in a Constitution Free Zone, you know?

    What do you suppose precipitated that?
    Yup, I know...there are no perfect answers in this mess.

  28. #54
    Who on earth looks around and thinks to themselves: "Gee there just isn't enough people around here, we need more"

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    Who on earth looks around and thinks to themselves: "Gee there just isn't enough people around here, we need more"
    Globalists.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by pessimist View Post
    Who on earth looks around and thinks to themselves: "Gee there just isn't enough people around here, we need more"
    There are actually fewer illegal immigrants in the country than there were in 2008. Exactly what (and who) should we be spending more tax dollars to expand the security state and potentially limit more rights to "protect" ourselves from?


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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by pessimist View Post
    Who on earth looks around and thinks to themselves: "Gee there just isn't enough people around here, we need more"
    Who on Earth looks around and says "Gee, there are just too many people here. We need a million agents of the state armed to the teeth with fully automatic weaponry, autonomous aircraft, and boats and furthermore to ensure that they can accomplish their [futile] goal (of preventing free travel) we need to suspend the Constitution 100 miles around the continental US (and Alaska), and harass people as they conduct themselves in peaceful and civil manners?"

    Authoritarians, naive xenophobes, and protectionists, that's who.

    I guess one way to make sure no one comes here is to make this country such a $#@! hole no one wants to. Of course by then you won't be able to leave as much as they won't be able to come (if they wanted to). Yay! for authoritarianism. Solving life's ills one jackboot at a time.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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  33. #58
    An Ebola Outbreak Would Be Advantageous For Globalists
    http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2...for-globalists
    It's sad to say with such finality, but a universal fact of existence is that most of the people you meet in this life are fundamentally and functionally ignorant. Not necessarily stupid, but certainly ignorant. Ignorance comes not from a lack of intelligence, but from a denial of knowledge and truth. That is to say, ignorance takes hold when people decide to act as though they know and understand a thing, even if they do not. Ignorance prevails when a society or nation chooses to value the appearance of expertise, to value the theater of overconfidence, and to cheer for the bluster of morons rather than admit that they have unanswered questions on subjects they do not yet grasp. For nothing is worse for the self absorbed than to acknowledge that they do not know.

    Entire nations have fallen throughout history because of this terrible weakness...

    By extension, such ignorance is not just an inherent disease but also an easily exploitable disease. When we refuse to think critically and examine our surroundings thoroughly, we become like grazing gazelles oblivious to the predators encircling us in the tall grass. And, just as there are predatory individuals that hide amongst us, there are are also predatory oligarchs that camouflage themselves as benevolent politicos and financial professionals standing above us. Normal predators we fear, establishment predators we invite into our homes as protectors, saviors, and partners.

    The disease of ignorance leaves us vulnerable to many other plagues, including literal plagues like the Ebola virus. When we take the establishment at its word concerning the threat of Ebola outbreak, we make ourselves vulnerable. When people assume that the worst could never happen to them, history shows us that it inevitably does.
    [...]
    First and foremost, the existence of just one Ebola infected person within America's borders indicates a likelihood of others, or the possibility of others in the near future unless policies and procedures are changed. As far as I can tell, the government has no intention of introducing rational fail-safes such as requiring mandatory quarantine for those seeking to reenter the U.S. from known outbreak regions, shutting down unrestricted travel into the country from countries with Ebola, training hospitals properly in the identification of the disease, or committing mass resources to quelling Ebola in hot zones before it reaches our shores, at least not in time to make a difference.

    Secondly, the establishment also has no intention of giving the general public accurate information as to the behavior and dangers of Ebola. Those I have spoken with in the medical field including some who work within major city hospitals have related to me that the CDC has not been honest in its assessment of the probability of outbreak. For example, the CDC is consistently reminding the public that Ebola is not an “airborn” disease, and this is technically true as far as the science indicates. However, they forget to mention that it is indeed a “droplet born” disease, meaning, it can travel through the air carried in an infected cough or sneeze. The tight quarters of an airplane make for a perfect petri dish, with droplets and particulates passing back and forth through the same space and oxygen for hours at a time. The spread of Ebola is nowhere near as containable as the CDC claims.
    [...]
    The one legitimate function of government, any government, is to protect the right of the people to pursue their own life, liberty, and happiness. I think stopping the invasion of mortal viruses would fall into this category. The one job our government is MANDATED to do, and it refuses to do it. Why?

    I have made the point many times in the past and I'll make it here again; when a catastrophe takes place, or a crisis is imminent, ask yourself, who ultimately benefits? I believe that the lack of strong prevention response from our government, an inadequacy which is obvious to all of the health care workers I have talked with and to anyone who has the sense to do their own research, could be absolutely deliberate. I believe the spread of Ebola may be desired by certain power brokers, and here is why:
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    "Gee, there are just too many people here"
    It's not the quantity of people. It's the type that they find to be a problem.
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  35. #60
    I'm all for diversity. I was just being lighthearted (not political/ideological), that's why I put the smiley there.

    As an introvert though, the idea of expanding the already massive US population is undesirable. Generally speaking, people are 'blah'.

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