First US case of Ebola

[Carlybee]

TSA would rather harass Americans.. than to maybe screen people who traveled from West Africa into USA. lol.

Lovely.. diseases from Africa and Central/South America. Anyone reading about the respiratory disease with polio like symptoms recently?

Their idea of screening is using the same pair of gloves for every crotch grab

[GunnyFreedom]

Personally I'd recommend a 24 day quarantine on entry, only for persons who have been inside the plague zone in the last month. It would seem that it takes 21 days for symptoms to manifest, so this would bullet-proof guarantee that it never made to the wild in the US. Just add the disclosure to flights/boats and such into the US, that if they have been inside an Ebola zone in the last month, then they will be quarantined for 24 days on entry. Have them agree to it specifically to get on the airplane, or if they do not agree they can spend a month away from a plague zone before coming to the US and then they can bypass the quarantine. This power would come from the power to regulate foreign commerce (travel being a form of commerce) for which I think a quarantine lasting only the length of Ebola incubation (or long enough to be certain it is not present) is a reasonable measure. Congress does have the power to prevent the transmission of foreign sicknesses into the US via private and commercial travel, given the original contemporary definition of 'commerce' included private and commercial travel.

I don't really like it, but I don't see a Constitutional violation, and I do believe it is a reasonable measure for travellers to the US who have recently been in direct contact with Ebola infected areas to make sure they are not infected before cutting them loose into the wild.

Forum anarchists will despise me but whatever. I never claimed to be an anarchist, I am a Constitutionalist

[Feeding the Abscess]

Political correctness has stopped any ideas of quarantine. We'll see what that will bring.

And later in the thread:

No problems. If anyone in your household is running a fever, you will be escorted to your quarantine camp.

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Is 'Brian4Liberty' a handle that a few different people use to post under or something?

[Feeding the Abscess]

Personally I'd recommend a 24 day quarantine on entry, only for persons who have been inside the plague zone in the last month. It would seem that it takes 21 days for symptoms to manifest, so this would bullet-proof guarantee that it never made to the wild in the US. Just add the disclosure to flights/boats and such into the US, that if they have been inside an Ebola zone in the last month, then they will be quarantined for 24 days on entry. Have them agree to it specifically to get on the airplane, or if they do not agree they can spend a month away from a plague zone before coming to the US and then they can bypass the quarantine. This power would come from the power to regulate foreign commerce (travel being a form of commerce) for which I think a quarantine lasting only the length of Ebola incubation (or long enough to be certain it is not present) is a reasonable measure. Congress does have the power to prevent the transmission of foreign sicknesses into the US via private and commercial travel, given the original contemporary definition of 'commerce' included private and commercial travel.

I don't really like it, but I don't see a Constitutional violation, and I do believe it is a reasonable measure for travellers to the US who have recently been in direct contact with Ebola infected areas to make sure they are not infected before cutting them loose into the wild.

Forum anarchists will despise me but whatever. I never claimed to be an anarchist, I am a Constitutionalist

If that's how supposed constitutionalists view the document, why should people like myself take it seriously at all? Wasn't the whole point that if something isn't clearly stated in the document, that the government doesn't have the authority to undertake such an action? Please educate me as to the differences between what you did in this post and what progressives argue with welfare and any number of government action to combat [insert problem here].

[tangent4ronpaul]

Do they not consider a person who comes in contact with an infected person's bodily fluids which are transmitted by a cough or sneezing something other than an airborne transmission? If so, what is the technical term used to describe transmission of bodily fluids by coughing and sneezing?

JWK

Droplet spread.

think about it this way: Technically there is a difference. Airborne is your sick and breathe out. viri in your lungs floats around, gets sucked up into a ventilation duct and some pour sucker 4 doors downs gets sick. droplet is more like it had the dispersal characteristics of a spit wad shooter. if flies and lands somewhere. if that's someones eye or they touch where it landed and their hand ends up at their mouth, they get sick.

-t

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not unconcerned about it. I expect there will be deaths here in the U.S. from Ebola. It sucks to be those people and their loved ones. I don't expect it will wipe out half of the country, no. Just enough deaths to take away more civil liberties? sure.

That.

That is all you need to know.

Assuming this is not the start of the zombie apocalypse, nothing of any great importance will come out of this except for the loss of more liberty.

[idiom]

[MelissaWV]

Symptons My God. It's worse than I thought.

[Dr.3D]

Seems like they should quarantine those identified persons for a full 21 days. If they don't, what's to keep them from passing it on to more persons to be identified at a future date?

[Carlybee]

Well I'm stocking up on immune building stuff and stuff with antiviral properties anyway.

[GunnyFreedom]

If that's how supposed constitutionalists view the document, why should people like myself take it seriously at all? Wasn't the whole point that if something isn't clearly stated in the document, that the government doesn't have the authority to undertake such an action? Please educate me as to the differences between what you did in this post and what progressives argue with welfare and any number of government action to combat [insert problem here].

How exactly is "Congress shall have the power...To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes." not clearly stated? It's in English, and the syntax is constructed simply enough. What's confusing about it?

[Inkblots]

Everyone panic!!!!

When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.

[Carlybee]

About the patient

An adult male, with a recent history of travel to West Africa

Traveling to the U.S. to visit family, per the CDC

Patient does not appear to have been a health care worker assisting with effort, per CDC Director Dr. Tom Frieden

"This patient undoubtedly had close contact with someone who was sick with Ebola, or who died from it," Frieden said.


Status of the patient

The patient is currently under intensive care

Officials will not release additional details, citing patient confidentiality

Patient is communicating and expressing hunger, according to officials speaking at the Texas press conference


Patient timeline

Patient traveled from Liberia on September 19

Arrive in U.S. on September 20

Developed symptoms on 9/24

Sought treatment on 9/26, but was sent back home; discharged with antibiotics

Patient admitted to hospital on 9/28

Ebola test came back positive at 1:22pm Tuesday Houston time.

[euphemia]

Hospitality industry here. Someone licks their fingers before counting money....

[donnay]

My sister just left this hospital too.

[FindLiberty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0d8kpybVg

[navy-vet]

Don't worry, nothing to see here. We are so advanced and superior here in the US that no disease will ever spread!

lol yeah that's what I was thinking. It's what they have been declaring since this began

[Carlybee]

My sister just left this hospital too.

He sought treatment and was sent home before he ended up back there ...cringe....

[tangent4ronpaul]

About the patient

An adult male, with a recent history of travel to West Africa

Traveling to the U.S. to visit family, per the CDC

Patient does not appear to have been a health care worker assisting with effort, per CDC Director Dr. Tom Frieden

"This patient undoubtedly had close contact with someone who was sick with Ebola, or who died from it," Frieden said.


Status of the patient

The patient is currently under intensive care

Officials will not release additional details, citing patient confidentiality

Patient is communicating and expressing hunger, according to officials speaking at the Texas press conference

If you have Ebola and are hungry, you are recovering. If you complain about the food, you are about ready for discharge.

People that get palliative care within the first 5 days of showing symptoms have very good recovery prospects. People that present in days 6-8+ generally die.

Patient timeline

Patient traveled from Liberia on September 19

Arrive in U.S. on September 20

Developed symptoms on 9/24

Sought treatment on 9/26, but was sent back home; discharged with antibiotics <== MAJOR Public Health System $#@! UP!!!

Patient admitted to hospital on 9/28

Ebola test came back positive at 1:22pm Tuesday Houston time.

-t

[brushfire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0d8kpybVg

Was looking for Kareem's version LOL... Still kinda interesting for anyone who watched this back in the day:

[RonPaulIsGreat]

To be prudent, and respond to this threat with appropriate action, I propose the following course of action.

1. Immediately kill and burn anyone that presents any signs of illness, or has come within 30 feet of anyone that is ill.

That should take care of it.

[tangent4ronpaul]

To be prudent, and respond to this threat with appropriate action, I propose the following course of action.

1. Immediately kill and burn anyone that presents any signs of illness, or has come within 30 feet of anyone that is ill.

That should take care of it.

I'm getting my chainsaw.
That will teach that dang virus!


-t

[Brian4Liberty]

And later in the thread:

Is 'Brian4Liberty' a handle that a few different people use to post under or something?

No. The two posts you quoted simply means that if you don't quarantine over there, you invite martial law over here.

Stopping flights in and out of Ebola hot-zones is hardly mentioned. It's considered politically incorrect, or cruel, or mean or elitist or even racist. Hell, Obama would probably have the gall to claim that it is unconstitutional.

On the other hand, they have no problem implementing martial law in the US for unreasonable cause. There was no justification for house to house gun confiscation in New Orleans. There was no reasonable cause for city wide "shelter in place" or martial law in the Boston area.

If it does start to spread in the US, you can bank on the fact that the measures will eventually be far more draconian than just stopping flights.

[Brian4Liberty]

An adult male, with a recent history of travel to West Africa

Traveling to the U.S. to visit family, per the CDC
...
"This patient undoubtedly had close contact with someone who was sick with Ebola, or who died from it," Frieden said.
...
The patient is currently under intensive care

Close contact? How close? Sure Frieden, whatever you say.

This sequence of events provides a valuable lesson:

- If you are in an Ebola break-out zone and think you are exposed, your best bet is to immediately jump on a jet to the US where you will get first class medical treatment.

[Carlybee]

"The City of Dallas has activated their Emergency Operations Center and is on Level 2: High Readiness after receiving confirmation that Dallas has the first diagnosed Ebola case in the nation."
- Dallas Office of Emergency Management

[invisible]

Stopping flights in and out of Ebola hot-zones is hardly mentioned. It's considered politically incorrect, or cruel, or mean or elitist or even racist. Hell, Obama would probably have the gall to claim that it is unconstitutional.

It's just too easy to do, and would make far too much sense.

If it does start to spread in the US, you can bank on the fact that the measures will eventually be far more draconian than just stopping flights.

Unfortunately, this is the bottom line.

[alucard13mm]

Stock up on cigarettes... you can probably trade cigarettes for water, fuel, ammo/guns, and food. Maybe even hire some guards too.

Maybe the dollar will collapse and we resort to a barter system?

[devil21]

Great excuse to put the executive order authorizing detention/quarantine of anyone with suspected ebola, but written as a broadly defined respiratory disease, into action. I've thought for a while that the intentional illegal immigrant influx was meant to be a test run for the FEMA camp facilities (see: rex 84) before something larger happens (or is alleged to have happened) that puts them into general usage. I hope I'm wrong and connecting dots that shouldn't be connected but this ebola stuff, along with the illegals in detention centers, and the recent Georgia Guidestones activity, Holder's pending resignation, effort to move public further away from the WH, etc look coordinated to me.

[tangent4ronpaul]

No. The two posts you quoted simply means that if you don't quarantine over there, you invite martial law over here.

Stopping flights in and out of Ebola hot-zones is hardly mentioned. It's considered politically incorrect, or cruel, or mean or elitist or even racist. Hell, Obama would probably have the gall to claim that it is unconstitutional.

On the other hand, they have no problem implementing martial law in the US for unreasonable cause. There was no justification for house to house gun confiscation in New Orleans. There was no reasonable cause for city wide "shelter in place" or martial law in the Boston area.

If it does start to spread in the US, you can bank on the fact that the measures will eventually be far more draconian than just stopping flights.

Quarantine and martial law. Quarantine usually means individual quarantine. They recently finished a martial law level quarantine in Sierra Leone for 3 days - shelter in place. It worked. They broke the exponential curve of new cases. They also knocked on every door in the slums and provided education. In the process, they discovered 120 unknown cases that needed individual quarantine. It worked, WOW! DID IT WORK!

Until recently, all commercial airlines flying into and out of the hot zone stopped service to those locations. One recently resumed service and we got a USA Ebola case as a result. Beyond that, AirWHO (actually the UN Food Program, who charter their aircraft) were the only ones flying relief peeps and supplies in. That means shortages of health workers and the materials they need. That means Ebola 1, MSF and others 0. Now the US mil is providing air support. It's helped!

Surprised you didn't mention the martial law lockdown/shelter in place currently going on in NE PA right now.

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

"The City of Dallas has activated their Emergency Operations Center and is on Level 2: High Readiness after receiving confirmation that Dallas has the first diagnosed Ebola case in the nation."
- Dallas Office of Emergency Management

The EBS system that is supposed to be a MONTHLY test but goes off daily, sometimes multiple times daily, though usually at 4:30 am or so, is now a WEELKY test and still goes off daily - only now like at 10:30am and actually stepped on Obama doing a national level broadcast across many channels. This had to do with the ISIL threat, btw...

Oh, it's not just the airlines either. The relief community is having a lot of problems getting a oil tanker to come into that port, not to mention a cargo ship with supplies and transport so they can collect bodies and dispose of them.

-t