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    This Doc might have ignited the powder keg...

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/...new-york-city/

    NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — A New York City doctor has tested positive for the Ebola virus after coming down with symptoms Thursday, officials have announced.

    Tests Thursday evening at Bellevue Hospital Center came back positive for Dr. Craig Spencer, Mayor Bill de Blasio said at a news conference.

    De Blasio urged New Yorkers not to panic, and reemphasized multiple times along with other officials that Ebola is only transmitted through bodily fluids.

    “We want to state at the outset – there is no reason for New Yorkers to be alarmed,” de Blasio said.


    As CBS 2’s Lou Young reported, EMS crews picked up Spencer just after noon Thursday. He was rushed from a building on West 147th Street in Hamilton Heights where he lives, and taken to Bellevue by a procession of two city ambulances and a police squad car.

    Spencer, a 33-year-old physician who works with Doctors Without Borders, came back a week ago from Guinea where he is believed to have been treating Ebola patients.

    At the news conference, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said officials believe Spencer came in contact with four people during the time he was infected and symptomatic, and state officials are already talking to those four people. ("believe")

    Those four people include Spencer’s fiancée and two friends – all of whom are healthy, but have still been quarantined, New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene Commissioner Dr. Mary Travis Bassett said. (WTF is "Mental Hygiene"? and "all healthy" like the Doc was just days before?)

    The fourth person who is in contact with the state is the driver of an Uber car, which Spencer took when he went bowling Wednesday night in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, Bassett said. The Uber driver had no direct contact with Spencer, and is not believed to be in any danger, she said.

    Uber issued a statement indicating that it also contacted the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the city Health Department, which said the driver and subsequent passengers were not at risk. ("Nothing to see here, move along...")

    Cuomo emphasized that the state of New York has “a full coordinated effort that has been working night and day, coordinating city, state and federal resources.”

    “People come through New York, they come through New York’s airports, so we can’t say this is an unexpected circumstance,” Cuomo said.

    Cuomo also emphasized that New York state and city are well-prepared for the threat of Ebola, unlike Dallas – where Thomas Eric Duncan became the first person to be diagnosed with the virus in the U.S. and later died.

    “We are as ready as one could be for this circumstance. What happened in Dallas was exactly the opposite,” Cuomo said.

    “The more facts you know, the less frightening this situation is,” Cuomo added, also stressing the only way to contract the disease is to come into direct contact with infected bodily fluids.

    New York State Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker said all processes so far have gone well in treating Spencer, and Spencer can likely make a quick recovery from his illness.

    “He was immediately brought to the isolation area that Bellevue Hospital has established for patients that could have Ebola,” Zucker said. “He is being taken care of by an excellent team.”

    Bassett said Spencer left Guinea on Oct. 14, and returned to the U.S. three days later. He went through mandatory Ebola screening processes upon arriving at John F. Kennedy International Airport, officials said.

    Spencer was well and asymptomatic until Thursday, but started feeling “tired” on Tuesday, Bassett said.

    Still, Bassett went on a three-mile jog on Wednesday. He also went to the High Line and may have stopped at a restaurant on Wednesday before his bowling excursion, Bassett said. (why do we care that Commissioner Dr. Mary Travis Bassett went on a jog? how is that relevant to Spencer? Or is this another example of stellar journalism?)

    As WCBS 880’s Peter Haskel reported, Bassett said Spencer has also used the subway system. He has ridden on the A Train, the No. 1 Train and the L Train.


    But Bassett and Zucker both emphasized that there was virtually no chance that Spencer could have spread the virus on the subway, 1010 WINS’ Carol D’Auria reported.

    “The patient in Dallas — many people were exposed to him and in the end, very, very few people got sick. As to the point of riding the subway, I would get on the subway tomorrow and take the subway,” Zucker said.

    Bassett added that Spencer had no fever when he was at The Gutter bowling alley at 200 North 14th St. in Brooklyn on Wednesday night. But The Gutter was closed as a result Thursday night, and a CMJ music show planned for the venue was canceled.

    The Health Department will visit the bowling alley on Friday, WCBS 880’s Peter Haskell reported.

    Bassett emphasized that Spencer was well aware of the Ebola risk in his work, and took precautions from the beginning. (So one would assume he did not get blood, vomit, feces, etc on his skin or near open mucous membranes, etc...)

    “He did attempt to self-isolate and we’re still getting clear the amount of time he spent outside of his apartment,” Bassett said. “But our impression is that he spent most of his time in his apartment and he was taking his temperature twice a day, he was being mindful about contact with people.” (except the jog, subway, bowling, restaurant, etc...)

    But Spencer was not shutting himself off, Bassett said.

    “During the time that he was leaving his apartment he had no fever. He was monitoring his temperature twice a day, as has been recommended and he had no fever,” she said. “I don’t want to give the impression he was self-quarantining because he did leave his apartment.”

    On Thursday, the EMS crews who responded to Spencer’s home were wearing “F Suits,” which are Level D Hazmat gear that covers the entire body, CBS 2 reported.

    They stayed with the patient in the back of the ambulance, sources said, so as not to risk possible contamination of the front cabin. A third EMS paramedic drove to Bellevue — one of eight hospitals in New York state with specialized Ebola units.

    Mayor de Blasio said at an earlier news conference that Spencer was “very communicative and very precise” with health officials prior to the tests.

    The positive results will now be sent to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta for confirmation, CBS 2 Political Reporter Marcia Kramer reported.

    Officials added that health care workers treating Spencer will be doing so “while following the utmost safety guidelines and protocols.”

    CDC Director Tom Frieden said with Spencer being treated at Bellevue, the concern Thursday night was for the health care workers there. Bellevue has been preparing and drilling for such a scenario, and an additional CDC Ebola response team was headed to the hospital late Thursday, Frieden said.

    Doctors and nurses will treat Spencer wearing specialized gear. Patient waste will be specially handled to prevent contamination.

    Late Thursday afternoon, authorities on Spencer’s Hamilton Heights block were trying to reassure the public, handing out cards to neighbors telling them what to do if they think they might have been in contact with Spencer.

    The fact that Spencer tested positive for Ebola raised concerns about why Dr. Spencer wasn’t quarantined sooner.

    “Here’s a doctor who’s gone to West Africa — who’s done incredible work to help people — and he’s come back into the country and nothing has been done to say, ‘Let’s put you aside for 21 days to make sure you don’t have the virus,’” neighbor Joshua Renick told CBS 2’s Tracee Carrasco.

    But like city and state officials, CBS 2’s Dr. Max Gomez emphasized that New Yorkers should remain calm. ("Nothing to see here, move along.")

    Spencer would not have been contagious until he developed symptoms, Gomez said. Further, Ebola is not an airborne virus like a cold or the flu – it is only transmitted through bodily fluids such as blood, vomit, and feces.

    Even if Spencer had some slight symptoms Wednesday night when he was out and about, he would have had to bleed or vomit to have any chance of spreading the virus – and then someone would have had to touch the bodily fluid and rub it into an open sore or his or her eyes, nose or mouth, Gomez said. (because that is how the Doc got it to start with...)

    “The risk here is as close to zero as you can get,” Gomez said.
    So, he only exposed 4 people, even though he was "tired" and still went for a jog, went to the High Line, stopped at a restaurant, took a taxi and went bowling, and maybe rode the subway at the same time.

    And if he was very careful over there, then what strain did he get to start with? If it has gone airborne or is transmitted anyway beyond blood, feces, vomit, etc... then he has painted the town so to speak. This could be bad...
    I have seen through it all... the system is against us. ALL OF IT.

  6. #1234
    Ebola hearing on C-SPAN right now.

    Included on the table is DHS's MAJOR $#@! ups in pandemic preparation

    -t

  7. #1235
    2 star getting grilled about all the soldiers over there coming back and starting a zombie army over here...

    entertaining

  8. #1236
    840 PPE suites needed PER WEEK for EACH 60 bed hospital.
    There are 2 manufacturers operating at full capacity and they can only provide 35% of the PPE's needed (with the current case load - before any doubling)

    only have 1/3 the needed burial teams.

    lack ambulances to pick up bodies. currently using a pickup with a mattress and a tarp in it.

    getting a lot of honesty this morn.... it's gonna be a good hearing

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    Ebola hearing on now C-SPAN2

    majority of symptoms appear 7-11 days after exposure
    dir CDC is being called a liar and slammed - sounds like he's being set up to be thrown under the bus
    DHS getting slammed for buying wrong stuff, not rotating supplies, not refrigerating vaccines, etc.
    med staff rotated every hr due to dehydration. get infected partially because of lack of training partially because of conditions
    whole panel is squirmville city!
    talking about gvmt failure across the board to prepare for infectious diseases

  10. #1238
    The vaccines will go to the healthcare workers,police and troops.

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    NYC ass kissing (ohhh - just wait... this is going to go off in their faces. This NYC rep sounds like she''s narrating a episodes of cops - infection - strictest, heroic, etc... what BS!)
    serious CDC ass kissing
    post arrival monitoring
    standard lies about transmission that have been repeated umpteeen times this morn
    funding (she's a dem)
    didn't ask a single question - just serious ass kissing and bragging about prep levels

    FL rep - Mica
    pissing time talking about ISIL and patting his own back
    infection rate 10,000 a week by early dec
    nurses (here) got infected because of sub optimal protective equipment and lack of training
    airport screening not working
    200,000 TSA respirators and 85% of hand sanitize is expired or has gone bad. IG report
    DHS doesn't know who got it or if it's good

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    MA rep - need "shock and awe"
    us leadership in w Africa leading
    in 3-4 weeks training will be up to speed
    supplies will be coming in - not there now
    dev of vaccine
    monitoring of returning ppl - better
    contained within 4-6 months
    lack of profit motive - biodefense only light
    public financing to develop defence

    NC rep
    can't guarantee safety of troops
    2 in country hospitals to deal with infected soldiers than moved back home
    state dept aircraft can move 4 pts a week that are symptomatic (one at a time)
    working on an aircraft pod that can hold 15 pts at a time - not avail till Jan

    MA rep
    DHS inadequate procurement, wrong stuff bought
    85% nurses not trained, preparedness dangerously inadequate hospitals lack equipment
    1.2M-1.4M infected by Jan
    post arrival vs pre departure
    21 day quarantine before flying - temp/blood test to fly
    in a couple of months u will come back and give us a whole diff story
    containment effort in w Africa contain at source
    difficulty recruiting health personnel - min deployment 6 weeks



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    Ebola Hearing on CSPAN2

    Here's a link to watch the ebola hearing:

    http://www.c-span.org/video/?322258-...-outbreak&live

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    OH rep
    HHS head of pandemic response is being grilled
    getting toasted for wasted money on BS
    39M wasted
    vegetable puppet shows for kids...
    she's getting kicked around and unfairly

    TN rep
    manufacturers can only meet 39% of coveralls
    submit for the record how to fix
    T-R gap of MSF doc - first sluggish to isolation
    can't expect med profs to act rationally because of stressful conditions. team to monitor returning ones
    judgement of docs can't be trusted post return
    it's a global problem
    some corps contributed more than some countries - pressure countries

    MI rep
    mil families concerned about suicide mission. lack training and equip
    mil stonewalling them
    no mil direct pt care
    come in contact w/ contractors. 3' separation strictly enforced w/ locals
    wash hands in chlorine everywhere you go
    PPE issued
    CDC given authority to enforce stuff?

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    VA rep
    exponential
    CDC fail
    missteps and correction
    never reassure the public when you do not know
    work in progress
    law - uniform protocols
    hospitals regulated by states
    no one size fits all solution
    Fed power grab?
    Dr shortage and lack of health spending in W Africa
    quick isolation and tx
    isolate 70% now - complete burnout if not - we are $#@!ed
    regional preparedness is critical

    SC rep
    roasting the HHS prep head again... - pluck and placing on spit...
    why Ebola czar and not her?
    F'n lawyer instead of MD who is head of HHS prep
    ok - she's getting unplucked and praised
    In your face oh-bomb-us
    next supreme court opening - dr, dentist or tattoo artist
    political pick - suspicious
    why pick a lawyer

    va rep
    calls for non-lawyer

    IL rep
    lawyer appointment ass kissing
    wants US mil out
    Liberia - 200" rain a day roads impassible - rains 6-8 hrs a day
    what the US mil provides - infrastructure, training, logistics
    USAID support by mil
    asked to build 12 ebola treatment units, desire 17, 3 under construction
    need to act now - harder the worse it gets

    UT rep
    USAID number of peeps supported - get back to you
    10 day post return for troops, 21 day stateside quarantine
    1M ppl a day come through US border control - 1 min a person assessment
    MSF doc grilling of HHS lady
    bowling ally is being decontaminated
    21 day quarantine

    NY rep
    why can't u quarantine in country of origin
    has to be outside hot zone

    back to 1 rep back
    not buying it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    Texas now has an Ebola task force
    I thought rick perry was supposed to eliminate gov't departments, not create new ones!
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    PA rep
    21 day in W Africa - why not?
    same guidelines as relief orgs for mil
    every 12 hrs temp and questions monitoring
    consider 21 day in country isolation period
    are 3,200 service members enough?
    shortage of health workers, supplies
    recruitment difficulties for health workers
    no mil have Ebola yet

    TX rep
    air traffic ban
    F'n lawyer in charge
    CDC blaming nurses for getting infected
    why did you join the mil - for my country
    is this what the mil is designed for? national security threat
    near or far tx facilities? USAID locations
    PPE - who wearing? all US mil issued but not required to wear at all times
    mil will be limited to within 12 hrs of base

    IL rep - he's kinda "slow"
    DHS ass kissing
    yawn... more ass kissing
    merica, merica, merica!
    this rep is totally worthless...
    finally! a question!
    are there other strategies and approaches related to human behavior...
    public education
    yawn - worthless rep
    czar ass kissing

    Massie KY rep
    ZMAPP and blood transfusions
    best tx
    will that be avail to soldiers in country
    and when back? - yes
    poss to get Ebola by sitting next to someone on a bus?
    non-MD - clueless. Massie is asking the wrong Q's
    ebola survival on inert surface - yes
    mil poss of getting it

    NM rep
    speech
    multitude of responses counterproductive
    up for re-election?
    Yep - D before her name - spend, spend, spend
    HHS - don't need more $$$
    centralized public health system - control, control, control
    More fed control
    how public health is organized is feds provide guidance - states control

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    MI rep
    how many mobile hospitals - CONUS
    don't know
    have not found any - no mobile isolation units in US
    risk - if leaves home - yes
    does not know that flue is spread by droplets like Ebola
    neg pressure room non-operable in Kansas city
    receptionist, clerk getting infected - some have minimal Ebola kits

    MI rep (second) Amash
    travel bans - screening 5 airports, monitored for 21 days. travel ban unproductive
    we couldn't track ppl if we put in a travel ban
    no direct flights

    FL rep
    80-150 ppl a week coming from one of those countries - quarantine 21 days
    NY first responders F'd up protocol - disposal of contaminated PPE in public trash

    FL rep
    pandemic preparedness act
    sounds like HHS lady roast again
    direct attacks - defends herself - BS like meetings
    chain of command - HHA vs Ebola czar - it's basically a train wreck
    domestic vs global

    neither czar or WHO wanted to attend hearing - above oversight

    GA rep
    75% of population does not think CDC got it right
    praises a couple of places like Emery
    slams CDC director
    are we not part of global?
    Dr Lurie - HHS prep person
    ER visitors in poor areas come in all the time
    CDC and Fed level response has been a disaster
    after the fact response (like cops)

    FL rep
    slams WHO - declares an emergency 8 months post start
    calls for HHS prep lady's resignation
    blames her for DHS $#@! ups
    whos job is it to protect the american people?
    we spent millions of $$$ and we are not prepared - IG report
    HHS lady - medium rare or well done?
    bird flu - aircraft contamination - protocols for cleaning exist
    rep is having a kiniption fit

    CA rep
    21 day following for forced temp checks
    do you have the authority?
    we have the authority
    Flight hopping and loosing track of ppl
    provide travel Hx if you have flu like symptoms

    MD my scumbag rep
    closing statement - serious ass kissing
    how do we make sure they (nurses) receive the training?
    Fed power grab, throw money a it (yeppers - you guessed it "D")
    HHS - here is the guidance - do local training
    Nurse association/union gal - mandatory protocols, training and gear.

    CA rep
    ISIS again.... and this is a closing?
    Canada
    Terrorism
    DHS ass kissing
    Lone wolf
    ISSA - $#@! fer brains
    finally back to Ebola
    we can't win
    panel is looking sleepy....
    DHS - umm, you are in charged nd you are not prepared
    we will be doing public and secret investigations as to why
    the public is $#@!ed
    eradicate it in Africa
    will not be eradicated if we wait till it comes to our shores (umm, idiot - it's already here!)
    adjourned


    Dang! that was long! Someone else volunteer to do this next time - hu?

    -t

  20. #1247
    Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
    So, he only exposed 4 people, even though he was "tired" and still went for a jog, went to the High Line, stopped at a restaurant, took a taxi and went bowling, and maybe rode the subway at the same time.
    Who goes out for a jog and bowling when they're "tired"?

  21. #1248
    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Who goes out for a jog and bowling when they're "tired"?

    I too, thought that was a little bizarre.
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  23. #1249
    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Who goes out for a jog and bowling when they're "tired"?
    Joggers.
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  24. #1250
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Joggers.
    Yep, joggers who bowl...

  25. #1251

    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by navy-vet View Post
    Yep, joggers who bowl...
    we used to call em "bowling joggers".
    This one sounds like a "bowling jogger with ebola" to me.

  26. #1252
    Quote Originally Posted by navy-vet View Post
    we used to call em "bowling joggers".
    This one sounds like a "bowling jogger with ebola" to me.
    Why do these "so called" medical experts suddenly get the urge to travel after being in contact with,, and feeling the symptoms of Ebola?

    I said this was a mistake when the very first case was brought deliberately to the US.

    It was a very bad idea,, and a mistake. Or it was just very bad idea,, deliberately.

    regardless,,, it was a bad idea.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  27. #1253
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Why do these "so called" medical experts suddenly get the urge to travel after being in contact with,, and feeling the symptoms of Ebola?

    I said this was a mistake when the very first case was brought deliberately to the US.

    It was a very bad idea,, and a mistake. Or it was just very bad idea,, deliberately.

    regardless,,, it was a bad idea.
    I totally agree.

  28. #1254
    That's because this is weaponized Ebola and they have the antidote waiting in the wings to be the saviors of the day. But the vaccine will cost $$$.


    US Bio-warfare Laboratories In West Africa Are The Origins Of The Ebola Epidemic.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle40012.htm
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  29. #1255
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    That's because this is weaponized Ebola and they have the antidote waiting in the wings to be the saviors of the day. But the vaccine will cost $$$.


    US Bio-warfare Laboratories In West Africa Are The Origins Of The Ebola Epidemic.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle40012.htm
    Personally, I don't trust any body with a name I can't pronounce....and "Aggeliki Dimopoulou" definitely fits into that category.

  30. #1256
    Quote Originally Posted by navy-vet View Post
    Personally, I don't trust any body with a name I can't pronounce....and "Aggeliki Dimopoulou" definitely fits into that category.
    no offense intended...



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  32. #1257
    Quote Originally Posted by navy-vet View Post
    no offense intended...
    There are quite a few articles and references to the same information and conclusions,, from several sources.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  33. #1258
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    There are quite a few articles and references to the same information and conclusions,, from several sources.
    Nothing would surprise me anymore pcosmar, evil is all around us and in places that many people least suspect. It hides in plain sight, and in the most beautiful, benevolent wrappers that one can imagine.

  34. #1259
    Quote Originally Posted by orenbus View Post
    My brother is in the 101st, spoke with him yesterday he's saying around 1k troops from Campbell are headed to Africa at the end of the month, that includes members of his unit. This is in addition to 3k troops from other installations around the country that are heading out to Africa as well, there is a good chance these numbers will increase.
    Any status update on this? I'm curious since your post indicates your brother wasn't scheduled to even deploy to Africa until the end of this month, yet media and gov't mouthpieces are reporting they've been deployed and have already returned home. Did your bro go and come back already or is he still set to be sent to Africa this month?
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  35. #1260
    Quote Originally Posted by navy-vet View Post
    no offense intended...
    In that case, don't ever ask me what my married name is.
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