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    First US case of Ebola

    CDC news conference on now.

    Arrived in US from Liberia with no symptoms, then got sick.

    -t



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    just in time for the holidays.

    Merry Christmas.
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    well this sucks
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    Everyone panic!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulConventionWV View Post
    Everyone panic!!!!
    not yet. Lets give it a few weeks.

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    Don't worry, nothing to see here. We are so advanced and superior here in the US that no disease will ever spread!
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    Is anyone really concerned about Ebola being a serious issue in the US? I'm not. Jus sayin
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    Political correctness has stopped any ideas of quarantine. We'll see what that will bring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Is anyone really concerned about Ebola being a serious issue in the US? I'm not. Jus sayin
    About 1000 times more concerned that I am about ISIS.
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    TSA would rather harass Americans.. than to maybe screen people who traveled from West Africa into USA. lol.

    Lovely.. diseases from Africa and Central/South America. Anyone reading about the respiratory disease with polio like symptoms recently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulConventionWV View Post
    Everyone panic!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Is anyone really concerned about Ebola being a serious issue in the US? I'm not. Jus sayin
    It depends on where you live, what you do for a living, and what sort of people you interact with on a daily basis. I'm not terrified, but it has the potential to be a fairly serious issue for me, yeah.
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

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    Could have been prevented. Travel should have been restricted from Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaWV View Post
    It depends on where you live, what you do for a living, and what sort of people you interact with on a daily basis. I'm not terrified, but it has the potential to be a fairly serious issue for me, yeah.
    Good points. I do interact with people all over Arizona on a fairly regular basis, but I don't exchange bodily fluids with anyone but the Mrs...

    I would think those in the healthcare industry would be most at-risk. Would that include you, Melissa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Good points. I do interact with people all over Arizona on a fairly regular basis, but I don't exchange bodily fluids with anyone but the Mrs...

    I would think those in the healthcare industry would be most at-risk. Would that include you, Melissa?
    That would include me, and by location and people I was thinking more directly of those in metro hospitals that see a great deal of lower income and undocumented patients. At those places, you see little blooms of things like H1N1, TB, and I would guess this would follow a similar vector. People in crowded waiting areas also don't always cover their mouths, and I will spare you what happens in the seats of shopping carts or in waiting room chairs when someone has a sick infant/toddler. Even then, it's a remote chance of catching anything, but as Brian pointed out it's 1000 times more likely than any boogey man danger from overseas terrorists.
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Travel should have been restricted from Africa.
    By whom how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Is anyone really concerned about Ebola being a serious issue in the US? I'm not. Jus sayin
    I'm not unconcerned about it. I expect there will be deaths here in the U.S. from Ebola. It sucks to be those people and their loved ones. I don't expect it will wipe out half of the country, no. Just enough deaths to take away more civil liberties? sure.

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    good job TSA keeping us safe
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    By whom how?
    Don't allow flights from Ebola countries. I don't know if they go direct, but anyway. Don't allow anyone who's passport has a stamp from an Ebola country into the US.

    You'll never get everyone, but those should have been basic precautions.

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    You aren't likely to die from Ebola. Sure, it's a deadly disease but with modern medical treatment (NOT available in Africa) the fatality rate can be reduced to somewhere around 50%. That's not good, but it's better than in Africa where it's about 90%. I for one do not want to get Ebola but we really need to put it into perspective. Only a small percentage of people will come down with it and half of them will survive. Perhaps the threat of Ebola spreading here will result in a cure. Only time will tell but please, don't panic...
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    This isn't giving me confidence...

    A Liberian national hops on a plane on the 19th, arrives here on the 20th.
    4 days later he starts developing symptoms (becomes contagious)
    2 days later he's really not feeling good so goes to the ER... They kick him loose (facepalm)
    2 days later either he comes back on his own or guys in bunnysuites show up at his door and drag him in - unknown which.
    so after wandering around for 4 days when contagious he lands in isolation. They do a test and it comes back positive today.

    The only up side here is that he only had contact with a dozen or two people those 4 days (+everyone in the ER first visit).
    So the plus side is they can probably stop it with contact tracing.

    -t

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    I'm not unconcerned about it. I expect there will be deaths here in the U.S. from Ebola. It sucks to be those people and their loved ones. I don't expect it will wipe out half of the country, no. Just enough deaths to take away more civil liberties? sure.
    No problems. If anyone in your household is running a fever, you will be escorted to your quarantine camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    I'm not unconcerned about it. I expect there will be deaths here in the U.S. from Ebola. It sucks to be those people and their loved ones. I don't expect it will wipe out half of the country, no. Just enough deaths to take away more civil liberties? sure.
    Bring Martial Law as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    No problems. If anyone in your household is running a fever, you will be escorted to your quarantine camp.

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    Except they'll be wearing bunny suits while toting the guns.



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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Bring Martial Law as well.
    That's crazy talk! That would never happen in the USSA. Well, except for maybe New Orleans. And Boston. Dallas next?
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    CDC Warns Funeral Homes in U.S. to Prepare For Ebola Victims
    Recommendations caution workers not to embalm corpses

    by Paul Joseph Watson | September 30, 2014

    The Centers for Disease Control is advising funeral homes in the United States on how to handle the remains of Ebola victims, although officials are keen to stress that the development is not a cause for alarm.

    (Video)

    A three page list of recommendations instructs funeral workers to wear protective gear while handling Ebola victims, as well as warning them not to carry out autopsies or to embalm corpses.

    “If the outbreak of the potentially deadly virus is in West Africa, why are funeral homes in America being given guidelines?” asks WFSB.com.

    Last night it was revealed that a Dallas hospital is holding a potential Ebola victim in “strict isolation” after the patient was admitted based on symptoms and “recent travel history.”

    Alysia English, Executive Director of the Georgia Funeral Directors Association, dismissed suggestions that Americans should be alarmed by the recommendations.

    “Absolutely not. In fact, if they weren’t hearing about it, they should be a whole lot more concerned,” said English.

    As we reported earlier this month, the U.S. State Department ordered 160,000 Ebola hazmat suits, prompting concerns that officials were preparing for an outbreak within the United States.

    While Ebola has so far been confined to the continent of Africa, speculation has arisen that the virus could have gone airborne to at least a limited extent.

    Continued...
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Don't allow flights
    Who should do this?

    Who makes the decision?

    How would you prevent someone from, say, flying to an adjacent city in Canada, Mexico, or the Caribbean and then taking a connecting flight into the states?


    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Don't allow anyone who's passport has a stamp from an Ebola country into the US.
    You think that we should prohibit US citizens from entering the US?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Who should do this?

    Who makes the decision?
    Under the Public Health Service Act of 1944, the Surgeon General has sole authority to make and enforce quarantine. Unless you are from the WW2 generation you have no personal experience with large quarantines.

    You think that we should prohibit US citizens from entering the US?
    If their passport has a stamp from a known country less than 90 days old, yes. House them at the Federal facility on Plum Island until they clear.

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    Once again the CDC misleads the public about the spread of Ebola

    Today on FoxNews during the CDC’s press conferences the public was repeatedly misled about the spread of the Ebola virus. It was asserted a number of times that the spread of the Ebola virus is not spread through the air and one must come in contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person to contract the virus.

    Well, it may be technically accurate to say that one must come in contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person to contract the virus. However, if an infected person coughs or sneezes onto an open wound of another individual, that individual does come in contact with the body fluids of the infected person and the bodily fluids were transmitted through the air! So, why is the CDC asserting the Ebola virus cannot be spread through the air? Do they not consider a person who comes in contact with an infected person's bodily fluids which are transmitted by a cough or sneezing something other than an airborne transmission? If so, what is the technical term used to describe transmission of bodily fluids by coughing and sneezing?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Who should do this?

    Who makes the decision?

    How would you prevent someone from, say, flying to an adjacent city in Canada, Mexico, or the Caribbean and then taking a connecting flight into the states?




    You think that we should prohibit US citizens from entering the US?
    Yes, we should prohibit citizens from re-entering if they traveled there.

    Checking passports for stamps should catch most even if they stopped somewhere else first. Obviously it won't be perfect.

    Homeland and CBP can do it. It wouldn't be particularly difficult.

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