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  1. #901
    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Dog and pony show?
    Liar and scumbag politician show.
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  3. #902
    It appears that they came up with their official excuse for allowing the second nurse to fly. They are claiming that protocol states that Ebola healthcare providers are under no travel restrictions if they wear "appropriate personal protective equipment". These guys are shameless in their CYA.
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  4. #903
    that worked sooo well for the 260+ PPE clad healthcare workers that died in africa....

  5. #904
    Our CDC director doesn't know too much, eh?



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  7. #905
    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Our CDC director doesn't know too much, eh?
    Me thinks he will be the fall guy. They try to make government officials look like imbeciles. It is doing exactly what they want it to do, I afraid. A Medical Tyranny knocks on our door.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  8. #906
    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    Didn't the CDC get guns or something a while back and everyone was wondering why the CDC needed guns? Or am I dreaming?
    Pretty much every government agency now has military grade equipment for their own private SWAT teams.

    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    I think it was ridiculous amounts of ammunition purchases for Homeland Security...but I wouldn't swear to it.
    Yes, they practically attempted to corner the market and purchase all the ammo being produced.
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  9. #907
    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    that worked sooo well for the 260+ PPE clad healthcare workers that died in africa....
    Exactly.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
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  10. #908
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    Waxman closes with, "...With these irrational budget cuts"
    Waxman is scum of the worst order. A liar and a charlatan.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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  11. #909
    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    Vote Dem or Ebola will eat you
    Maybe they hope they can have martial law and stop people from voting entirely.

  12. #910
    EPA and DoT regulations F things again! whoo hooo!

  13. #911
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Waxman is scum of the worst order. A liar and a charlatan.
    And scary looking.

    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  14. #912
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Odds are that wouldn't be Ebola. There are hundreds of reasons someone might throw up on the plane. The airlines do need to have better policies on how to contain contagious and vomiting persons on their airlines. No one should be forced to sit next to a vomiting passenger whether they are contagious or not.
    If you take into account the details of what transpired, it's clear this wasn't just a case of air sickness or your typical flu. The guy was a foreigner "of African decent", couldn't speak English, sweating profusely, and so warm that the passenger next to him could "almost"(whatever that means) feel heat radiating from him. AND, he was uncooperative. Which we're gonna see a lot more of, in the coming weeks. Especially if they ban flights from that region of Africa. Desperate people are already trying to get here. They're gonna take ibuprofen, commute to another country first, then fly in - all while trying to mask their symptoms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
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  16. #913
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Me thinks he will be the fall guy. They try to make government officials look like imbeciles. It is doing exactly what they want it to do, I afraid. A Medical Tyranny knocks on our door.
    The fact that you think these people are pretending to be imbeciles suggests to me you've not had substantial dealings with federal bureaucrats.

    Trust me, it's not an act.
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  17. #914
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    And scary looking.

    Ewww, every time I see his face, I think of the pigs in Animal Farm. "Some animals are more equal than others."
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

  18. #915
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Me thinks he will be the fall guy. They try to make government officials look like imbeciles. It is doing exactly what they want it to do, I afraid. A Medical Tyranny knocks on our door.
    Well, they certainly don't want a crisis to go to waste, now do they? Where IS Rahm Emanuel when you need him?
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

  19. #916
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Much like Flu, Airborne Ebola transmissions need Winter type conditions to maximize Aerosol infection

    Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/09/us...KjR2S9b5tKO.99
    There is not much that can be done about this, but it is a concern. When Ebola moves to a cold, dry environment, there is the possibility that it will become far more contagious. Flip a coin.

    The only thing that can be done is travel restrictions from hot-zones to prevent Ebola from migrating (any more).
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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  20. #917

    a little comic relief...



  21. #918
    Quote Originally Posted by Inkblots View Post
    The fact that you think these people are pretending to be imbeciles suggests to me you've not had substantial dealings with federal bureaucrats.

    Trust me, it's not an act.

    Yes, low level minions that are compartmentalized and clueless. But the heads of agencies, especially the CDC--this is an act. Anyone with a lick of common sense could figure out stopping flights from countries that have these outbreaks and securing our boards would stop any further spread of disease.

    A friend of mine lives in England and this is the hoops they have to go through to get a visa:

    Look What You HAVE to go for a GREEN CARD
    Form I-693
    http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/f...form/i-693.pdf

    Tests for Tuberculosis, Syphilis, Gonorrhoea, Leprosy, etc ...
    Oh and VACCINATION RECORDS !!! Your records must be up-to-date.

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  22. #919
    Quote Originally Posted by Deborah K View Post
    If you take into account the details of what transpired, it's clear this wasn't just a case of air sickness or your typical flu. The guy was a foreigner "of African decent", couldn't speak English, sweating profusely, and so warm that the passenger next to him could "almost"(whatever that means) feel heat radiating from him. AND, he was uncooperative.
    That would add concern. But that story is unconfirmed at this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deborah K View Post
    Which we're gonna see a lot more of, in the coming weeks. Especially if they ban flights from that region of Africa. Desperate people are already trying to get here. They're gonna take ibuprofen, commute to another country first, then fly in - all while trying to mask their symptoms.
    Yep, fever checks are not foolproof, at all.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  23. #920
    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    Remember Duncans apartment? They pulled 5 barrels of stuff out of there and are sending it to be buried at a toxic waste dump in another state.
    The hospital he was treated in has a pile of infected PPE that they can't get rid of. Why? regulations!
    Yeah, what a crock all of that is. Get a steel barrel and some gasoline. Burn on site. Problem solved.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  25. #921
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That would add concern. But that story is unconfirmed at this point.



    Yep, fever checks are not foolproof, at all.
    The only way to confirm that story is to demand to know what happened to that passenger, and find out if that plane was ever cleaned properly, and apparently, Delta is not forthcoming with the information. So you have to ask yourself, why are they being tight lipped about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

  26. #922
    'This is not a situation like the flu where the risks of a rapid spread of the disease are imminent.' - Obama

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3GKe8hjyk


    aerosol transmission is thought to be possible and may occur in conditions of lower temperature and humidity which may not have been factors in outbreaks in warmer climates [13]. At the very least, the potential exists for aerosol transmission, given that virus is detected in bodily secretions, the pulmonary alveolar interstitial cells, and within lung spaces [14].

    []

    Filoviruses cause severe hemorrhagic fever in humans and non-human primates (NHP),
    causing epidemics at times involving hundreds of people. Filoviruses, which are classified as Category
    A Bioterrorism Agents by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (Atlanta, GA), have stability
    in aerosol form comparable to other lipid containing viruses
    such as influenza A


    Viruses 2012, 4, 2115-2136; doi:10.3390/v4102115
    ISSN 1999-4915
    www.mdpi.com/journal/viruses

    The potential of aerogenic infection by Ebola virus was established by using a head-only exposure aerosol system. Virus-containing droplets of 0.8-1.2 microns were generated and administered into the respiratory tract of rhesus monkeys via inhalation. Inhalation of viral doses as low as 400 plaque-forming units of virus caused a rapidly fatal disease in 4-5 days.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1997182/

    In summary, the pathogenesis we propose for aerosol EBOV infection in rhesus, based on the results of the current study, is as follows: initial infection occurs in the respiratory lymphoid tissues
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1997182/


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  27. #923
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    'This is not a situation like the flu where the risks of a rapid spread of the disease are imminent.' - Obama
    None of that contradicts what Obama stated. Ebola isn't airborne.

  28. #924
    pretty good hour 2 and 3.

    C-SPAN is going to re-broadcast in a few minutes and again at 9pm EST tonight.

    -t

  29. #925
    Rand Paul: Ebola is "not like AIDS"
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/politi...ids/index.html

    "[The Obama administration] has downplayed how transmissible it is," Paul said in an interview with CNN on Thursday morning. "They say it's the exchange of bodily of fluids. Which makes people think, 'Oh, it's like AIDS. It's very difficult to catch.'"

    "If someone has Ebola at a cocktail party they're contagious and you can catch it from them," Paul continued. "[The administration] should be honest about that."

    "They say all it takes is direct contact to get this," he said. "If you listen carefully, they say being three feet from someone is direct contact. That's not what most Americans think is direct contact.
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  30. #926
    Quote Originally Posted by Antischism View Post
    None of that contradicts what Obama stated. Ebola isn't airborne.
    It may not be airborne, yet, but - for a disease to be spread through sweat and body fluids displaced through sneezes and coughs - that's enough to cause serious concern. Given the mortality rate, the level of contagion, methods of transmission, and how long the virus can live on hard surfaces, I don't think anyone can be considered overreacting!
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  31. #927
    Quote Originally Posted by Antischism View Post
    Ebola isn't airborne.
    It is when infected people fly.
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    The CDC is understating the threat of Ebola because of trade and travel concerns. Well, to put it bluntly, if they don't start implementing some common sense precautions there is going to be no economy whatsoever. So they have a choice. A damaged economy or no economy in the long run.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Annie View Post
    It may not be airborne, yet, but - for a disease to be spread through sweat and body fluids displaced through sneezes and coughs - that's enough to cause serious concern. Given the mortality rate, the level of contagion, methods of transmission, and how long the virus can live on hard surfaces, I don't think anyone can be considered overreacting!
    Ebola's transmission methods are much worse than the authorities have let on. See this.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/how-h...-ebola-2014-10

  35. #930
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Maybe they hope they can have martial law and stop people from voting entirely.

    I wouldn't put it past them. Is this the October surprise?

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