Originally Posted by
wizardwatson
Well, ho hum and a bottle of rum.
What do you guys think about Eminem's music wherein he uses the word "***" ad infinitum, talks about doing every conceivable drug, raping his mother, killing his daughters mother, doing every conceivable crime, and gets rich doing it?
What do you guys think about this church who uses "God hates ****" to get everyone's attention and claims to be preaching the truth about these last times and about Christs message?
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Is calling a church a "cult" any different than calling a homosexual a "***", Kevin007? I suppose "***" just is less politically correct than "cult".
But I get it. Eminem is popular and WBC is infamous. Eminem gets the benefit of the doubt with all the worldly folks and WBC does not.
Faulting everything Westboro preaches because they use an off-color word to jar Americans from their catatonic slumber and pay attention is to me the same as when the Pharisees faulted Christ for not washing his hands.
"I might pay attention to Westboro is they weren't so rude and offensive. You can't get anything done in this world if you don't at least be respectful and show a little social etiquette." Why would it surprise anyone that God would choose a bunch of potty-mouthed hillbillys to preach the COMPLETE truth tailored to the times in these last days? Krishna was royalty, Buddha was a prince, Gandhi was a intellectual lawyer, Mohammed was a great warrior. Jesus? A handyman hillbilly who was LITERALLY "born in a barn", mocked, betrayed, spat on, scourged and crucified. Was offensive, called people fools, called people hypocrites, threatened ("repent or perish")...the rudest most offensive religious figure in history.
And all any of the faux-Christians can come back at WBC is that Jesus said "Love thy neighbor", which to them seems to mean "don't offend your neighbor" which Christ violated consistently. So the lukewarm Christian says in his heart, "I will preach the gospel of Christ but I don't want to ruffle any feathers. I will love but not being rude will take precedence." If your neighbors sins are dragging them to hell will you withhold rebuking them for fear of offending? If you do you are offending Christ. Which is worse?
You see "God Hates ****" is not a message of promised damnation for every gay person on earth. WBC knows full well there are other things that are abominable to God like a proud heart. They are not scripturally ignorant, they are scripture ninjas compared to most of the people on this forum. "God Hates ****" is an end-times warning. "Remember Lot's Wife", "Why did God destroy Sodom?", these are end-times warnings. The warning is that a nation that sanctifies all manner of sin is "topped off" by sanctification of homosexuality. Whether you agree or not that is their message. And lo and behold 19 states have legalized it and it is expected that before the Supreme court adjourns in June of 2015 the prohibitions in the other 31 states will be overturned. So when they say "God will not have *** marriage" what they are saying is that gay marriage sancification will be the last straw before destruction time.
But I really don't care about "defending WBC". Neither do I want to blabber on about my interpretation of Calvinism. Nor do I care to tangle wits about how Eminem is being "artistic and metaphorical" whereas WBC "really means" what they are saying, because it's obvious very few care to know what they "really mean". I have little doubt I've read and understood WBC more than anyone on this forum and I can say that likely few if any have ventured past there "being offended" at those three words.
But I would like to comment on why I believe most people, Christians in this country in particular, are "really" offended by WBC, and the true and complete Word of God in general. Not the watered down gospel that's preached but the prophecies in revelation, Isaiah, etc. I think it is because in general there is a hope and a prayer that America or Americans will somehow "escape" the wrath to come. Maybe God will cherry-pick the good from the bad and only abide his wrath on the "really bad".
Let me give you my interpretation. America IS doomed. And I will give you a little chapter and a little interpretation for you to mull over and see what you think.
"Well", says most, "I suppose that 'could' be the USA, but..." Most of these 'buts' though seem to me to be simply hoping that it isn't. Now I've bolded the part that is the most telling in my opinion. What does it mean to say "I am no widow" in the context of the gospel? Well, it implies a marriage. And many many times in the bible, especially the new testament, it's talking about the marriage between Christ and the church. Christ is the groom, and the church is the bride. So this verse is saying that this nation, symbolically Babylon, says it is no widow when in fact it is. In other words Christ is no longer with it, but she says it is.
Now does China say that? Russia? UK? Or is it the USA with it's "God-given rights" and "Christian principles". Our atheist president who "tortures some folks", bombs civilians, supports abortion for his own children, and then has the nerve (most recently concerning ISIS bombing) to get on tv and say "God bless America and God bless our troops." And to top it all off puts "In God We Trust" on it's coins and currency, that currency being the primary weapon of oppression of the poor of all tyrants on earth as any true Paulite would concede.
"But Jesus is about love and peace he wouldn't just destroy a whole country, there are innocents there!" America kills innocents every single day, not even counting the 4000 abortions a day. People who talk like this have not read or at least have failed to grasp the God of Abraham, Christs Father. Do you think there weren't babies and children in the flood? In Sodom and Gomorrah? Whatever nation this Babylon is it will be destroyed like no other nation before it. People have no fear of the God of Abraham not really, even when Jesus specifically tells us THAT is who you should fear.
Now the above I think many would agree, and somewhere or the other maybe has already been said. But let me say something perhaps none of you reading this have ever heard.
Many might say, "so God destroys America with earthquake, volcano, fire and brimstone from heaven, etc. and all the wicked tyrants just fly away or hide in a bunker, that doesn't seem just".
First off, if you die quickly in the apocalypse and have repented I'd say you might be lucky. The nation would be destroyed but killing in many instances might be merciful. Secondly, make no mistake, there will be NO ESCAPE from the wrath. And I personally believe this wrath will not be "impersonal" or "indirect" only, via plagues, etc. I believe God the Father is going to personally come down to claim his vengeance. Maybe not even come down, he may be himself born here in the flesh (I say this because I speculate that the "man child" who goes up to the throne in heaven is Jesus reborn and actually fathered in the flesh by God). I believe he will make personal house calls to many men of earth and take his vengeance in the sight of other men.
Some might disagree and say that "the wrath of the lamb" is the vengeance. But there are too many prophecies in my opinion that are unfulfilled that to me can't apply to Christ coming in power and glory like lightning in the sky to destroy his enemies to fill this logical gap. When this world sees Christ again he will be here to immediately destroy the armies that Satan has built with undeniable finality.
But there is a task indicated in scripture that Jesus logically cannot do. He cannot "gather the elect". How can he "gather the elect (deliver) from all nations"? How can he "lead them to a place of refuge for 1260 days" when it's clearly said he will appear in the sky with 10,000 saints?
I believe that if you take to heart as Christ said, "I and the Father are one", then you can see that many of the old prophecies in Isaiah for instance could apply to either what the Father is/will do or what the Son is/will do.
This is why I believe the Jews who say Christ didn't fulfill the prophecy were half right. Christ wasn't the "deliverer", but he was the messiah. It is Christ who saves, but the Father, as he did in Egypt, is the deliverer.
Anyway, food for thought. Here's a few passages I've used to back this up in my own mind anyway.
Husbandman means gardener. So the elect, the "firstfruits" that are gathered from all nations out of bondage are done by whom? Does the vine gather it's own grapes?
Here the Father is speaking to the son. The father in the first 3.5 years of the tribulation will lay waste to the governments and institutions of men and the tyrants and evil men that run it, paying special attention to those who hold his elect in bondage. Setting the stage "making thine enemies thy footstool" for Satan to take control of world government completely in order that mankind can face it's greatest temptation (all the things that will make you want to take the mark).
Self explanatory. The Father will visit many places, pray you aren't there when he is.
This verse to me is the most telling. In numerous places especially in the old testament, God "hides his face". No one has seen him. Even when he left Moses on the mountain he told him to turn away so Moses wouldn't see his face. "The face" is a reference to the Father. He turns his face from those who disobey him. But not in the last day. In the day of his wrath he WILL turn his face towards men and it will be terrible for those who see it. The verse doesn't say "the wrath of the Lamb AND HIS face", it's clearly talking about two distinct people.
So when you read the bible and you see verses like "I will mock you when your fear cometh." that isn't Jesus talking about his final battle when he appears in the sky. That is the Father warning and foreshadowing to wicked men what will befall them when he enters his own creation and ventures forth to gather the elect. "Why if this is true wouldn't it be more explicit?" Simple, he will come as a thief in the night. No one expects him. Classic good cop/bad cop. If no one believed Christ came in the flesh to save the world, how much harder to believe the Father will come down with flesh and bones, the "living God"?
So if you want my survivalist advice I would say get out of USA if you can. If you can't, prepare for living in a wasteland. If you can do neither then accept your life is likely forfeit (you should really do this anyway concerning your worldly life if you are Christian) and pray God gives you time and space for as much repentance as you can muster before the door closes.
But it isn't as if there is no hope. Revelation says "multitudes" will be saved out of the tribulation and be part of the first resurrection, not just the elect. The elect will not die, many who will come to Christ will however. So even though the mass of humanity will be killed that doesn't mean they are damned.
So what is "real Christian love" in America in these last days? Is it pontificating about the metaphysical aspects of atonement? Is it defining what it means to be saved? Is it questioning the Calvinist interpretation of free will vs. predestination? Is it comparing the Eastern Orthodox/Catholic/Protestant paradigm?
Or is it the simple messages from WBC:
"The Lord is coming","Destruction is Imminent" (These are the last days, you are being warned)
"Repent or Perish" (Jesus' own words)
"Priests rape boys" (Catholic church is corrupt beyond saving and being part of it is enabling child molestation)
"America, not blessed just cursed" (America says "I am no widow")
"Soldiers die for *** marriage" (in other words not for "freedom" that soldier worshippers delusionally think)
"You hate your children." (you don't teach them god's standard)
"Thank God for [insert any social tragedy here]" (You should see God's hand in all affliction)
I don't post a lot concerning scripture because I have a very Rev 22:11 outlook these days "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still."
I also see no hope in these last days for any kind of "liberty movement". I now see the old Ron Paul Movement as the death rattle, the last breath of liberty in this country. It was not the brushfire we all thought it was. It was the last whiff of smoke you see when the candle burns out.
I don't write these words to be spiteful. I genuinely hope it gives insight to whoever might read them.
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