The sexual threats against Emma Watson are an attack on every woman

[pessimist]

The media really needs to shine more light on the rampant rape of men by sex crazed power-hungry women. These savage vixens are roaming the streets gang-raping men at gun point daily and the media turns a blind eye.

Where is the justice? Fear matriarchy!

[MelissaWV]

The media really needs to shine more light on the rampant rape of men by sex crazed power-hungry women. These savage vixens are roaming the streets gang-raping men at gun point daily and the media turns a blind eye.

Where is the justice? Fear matriarchy!

Or people could stop trying to hyphenate and categorize everything by condition, looking instead at the action and its effect, rather than the demographics of the victim. No "hate crimes" or "women's rights" or "gay rights" needed.

Then again all of this ignores the elephant in the room.

"Sexual threats" made online or even by commentators are not likely to be actual, actionable threats. They're societal. Society is going to have $#@!s. It's really much better if people just wear those sorts of opinions right out in the open, so that others can choose to not associate with them. "Fixing" society is not something that should involve laws or government.

As for the very real and often institutionalized violence against women AND men, it's already a crime regardless of the demographics of the people involved. That's where you start to sound like you're trying to curry favor. Painting it as a women's issue is ridiculous. It's a human issue, and belittling the plight of men who are victimized does very little to bolster your credibility. The argument about statistical likelihood is preposterous. The majority of murder victims in the US are male. Does this somehow mean that it's a "men's issue"?

[pessimist]

Or people could stop trying to hyphenate and categorize everything by condition, looking instead at the action and its effect, rather than the demographics of the victim. No "hate crimes" or "women's rights" or "gay rights" needed.

I disagree. When a specific demographic faces disproportionate abuse or discrimination you need to call attention to it.

One should never downplay the seriousness of rape whether the victim is a child, a woman, a man, or even an animal. But let be real here: how many women are raping men? How many women are raped daily by men? Okay, maybe we can’t get an actual stat for that…but do honestly believe men need to take serious measures to defend themselves against rapist women, the way women need to protect themselves from men?

I am talking actual RAPE here, not predatory gold digging women who make false allegations; I am talking women physically raping and sexually assaulting men.

As for the very real and often institutionalized violence against women AND men, it's already a crime regardless of the demographics of the people involved. That's where you start to sound like you're trying to curry favor.

I’ll freely admit I hold women in higher regard, but it’s not to ‘curry favor’. I just find them to generally be more ‘civilized’. When I leave my house I have ZERO fear of being mugged by a woman. When I used to go to college parties, I had ZERO fear of being raped by a woman, when I hear of a mass killing or a serial killer on the loose or read about a drive-by shooting I immediately think of men as being the perps.

That doesn’t mean that it is not possible to be mugged, raped, and murdered by a woman, but if I am walking the streets at night I am on the look at for a man. I bet you are too, as well the men in this thread.

Is it wrong? At what point is profiling and generalizing acceptable? Is it wrong to point out that violent crime and rape sprees happening across Sweden, for example, are mostly committed by young men of the Muslim faith even though we all know NOT ALL Muslims are violent rapists?

Like I said earlier, parents don’t fear their sons getting raped by girls for a reason- that doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t happen- it’s just means that statistically speaking, it’s highly unlikely to happen. Following this line of thinking, I think it’s fair to say that blacks have a REASON to fear the police more than white guys as they are disproportionately targeted and imprisoned.

Sometimes demographics need to have those 'hyphenated' rights. At one point in our dark history blacks were slaves and considered subhuman and women couldn’t even vote. There are still folks in this country who think you should be in apron in the kitchen, and blacks should be out in the cotton fields.

[MelissaWV]

Sometimes demographics need to have those 'hyphenated' rights. At one point in our dark history blacks were slaves and considered subhuman and women couldn’t even vote. There are still folks in this country who think you should be in apron in the kitchen, and blacks should be out in the cotton fields.

When people tell you you're on the wrong forum, this is why.

I don't care if people think that. I certainly don't need the Government to give me special protection (disguised as "rights") to protect me from others being extra mean. That is way more demeaning than someone thinking I should be barefoot, pregnant, and getting them a sandwich.

[XNavyNuke]

Sometimes demographics need to have those 'hyphenated' rights. At one point in our dark history blacks were slaves and considered subhuman and women couldn’t even vote. There are still folks in this country who think you should be in apron in the kitchen, and blacks should be out in the cotton fields.

While you are disagreeing, I do hope that you recognize the elites who offer those hyphenated rights are the same ilk that look down their nose with disdain at women who choose to be homemakers and black farmers who choose to cultivate cotton and the evil tobacco.

XNN

[pessimist]

When people tell you you're on the wrong forum, this is why.

I already stated in my first thread here that I am of a liberal persuasion. I am just shocked I haven't even been warned yet on here- that is a personal record for a political forum.

I don't care if people think that.

I am willing to bet that you probably would if they had the power, and you had little to none.

I certainly don't need the Government to give me special protection (disguised as "rights") to protect me from others being extra mean. That is way more demeaning than someone thinking I should be barefoot, pregnant, and getting them a sandwich.

That's not what I meant though. I wasn't talking about protection from 'meanness'- I was saying that sometimes these special rights are necessary. Obviously we are at the point now where most are nothing but money-grabbing institutions of exploitation, but at one point they served a legitimate purpose.

Here let me ask you this: if there was never a womans rights movement, do you think you would have been granted the rights that you have today in the West?

[pessimist]

While you are disagreeing, I do hope that you recognize the elites who offer those hyphenated rights are the same ilk that look down their nose with disdain at women who choose to be homemakers and black farmers who choose to cultivate cotton and the evil tobacco.

XNN

The elites view the plebs as nothing but disposable labor and demographics to sell products to. Most of us are worthless to them.

[MelissaWV]

I already stated in my first thread here that I am of a liberal persuasion. I am just shocked I haven't even been warned yet on here- that is a personal record for a political forum.



I am willing to bet that you probably would if they had the power, and you had little to none.



That's not what I meant though. I wasn't talking about protection from 'meanness'- I was saying that sometimes these special rights are necessary. Obviously we are at the point now where most are nothing but money-grabbing institutions of exploitation, but at one point they served a legitimate purpose.

Here let me ask you this: if there was never a womans rights movement, do you think you would have been granted the rights that you have today in the West?

Yeah, Lord knows that being a female minority tossed into South Carolina in the 1980s, I have no idea what it is like for people to discriminate, nor when I would go out places with a blind boyfriend and people would tell me to "keep him away from breakables," or when people take a giant step back or make horrid assumptions and spread rumors when the issue of sexual orientation comes up. Oh and certainly trying to find shelter when you're homeless but not a single mom... that definitely did not expose me to people with power who discriminated.

You certainly have my number!

Let me ask you this: did phrasing it as "women's rights" help or hinder when it was associated entirely with the push towards Prohibition, which cost lives and maimed many? I would rather we were pushing for human rights, not tilting the scales here and there because of some misguided reparation attempt. The view of women as a social component has changed greatly in the West over time. The mandates and "social media" outcries are not quite as influential. I'd hope we would, as a species, get to the point where we value action and attribute over what's between someone's legs or where we feel their skin color lies on a spectrum. We're not there yet, though, so it's very helpful to know who feels I'm so inferior that I need special protection above and beyond my betters.

[William Tell]

The notion of 'special rights' is the opposite of equality.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

... there is nothing feminine about me,...

Lol why on earth would I choose a liberterian forum full of manly gun-lovers

I just have different brain wiring or something...

I just see the world differently.

Sometimes demographics need to have those 'hyphenated' rights.

...do you think you would have been granted the rights that you have today in the West?

You might be male biologically, but you don't seem to act like one. The idea that you think rights are somehow granted by government, elites, etc. is indirectly opposed to any notion of male responsibility and duty. Contemporary males have ceded so many of these tasks to extra-familial institutions that it's no wonder you start a thread about a topic that seems to confuse you. You foolishly associate beer swilling and pornography with--in your words--gun slinging. It's a sad commentary when the modern American male can't distinguish between the ability to protect one's own family with incessantly masturbating to contemporary fantasy.

No, there is nothing wrong with your brain's biology, but you certainly see the world differently. Your brain has simply been filled with others' confusion. The confusion leads nowhere except to continue to empower someone else to confer these "special rights" and other items that were your responsibility all along. Every time you invoke a third party, then you concede another responsibility. Someone already mentioned that women don't want ingratiating men. They want men willing to accept a responsible role.




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[pessimist]

You might be male biologically, but you don't seem to act like one.

What can I say? I'm an enigma. I was misdiagnosed with Asperger’s as a child because of my 'different' brain. Anyway, while I certainly wouldn't consider myself as having a 'feminine' worldview- I have always suspected, due to my multidimensional thinking, and weird thought patterns that I have an 'androgynous brain' (whatever that is supposed to mean).

The idea that you think rights are somehow granted by government, elites, etc. is indirectly opposed to any notion of male responsibility and duty

In a hunter-gatherer society this would true.

You foolishly associate beer swilling and pornography with--in your words--gun slinging. It's a sad commentary when the modern American male can't distinguish between the ability to protect one's own family with incessantly masturbating to contemporary fantasy.

Oh when I say stuff like that I am just trying to illustrate the average-American man. The guy that likes to go to the shooting range, throw back a couple of cold ones with the boys, and watch some porn after his wife hits the sack.

I am not trying to insult the traditional guy who loves God, family and country when I make comments like that. My own father is one of those guys

No, there is nothing wrong with your brain's biology, but you certainly see the world differently.

I agree...this has caused me communication problems my entire life

Your brain has simply been filled with others' confusion

I am confused by this statement.

The confusion leads nowhere except to continue to empower someone else to confer these "special rights" and other items that were your responsibility all along.

Okay, I am not saying that men don't have a responsibility to their families, but I think we have progressed to a level in society that a traditional way of life is not really relevant or even economically viable for most households. I completely understand why gender roles existed- they were absolutely necessary for the continuation of the species. However we no longer live in a world where women need to be homemakers.

As for the special rights… Look institutional oppression is real, sometimes 'special rights' are absolutely necessary for a just society. That is all I was saying. All institutions become corrupted and decay before they eventually fail.

Someone already mentioned that women don't want ingratiating men

The women in my life see me as arrogant, neurotic, occasionally funny, and a complainer. I have no idea why I am perceived on this board as "ingratiating". These are honestly my personal beliefs, and definitely not a calculated attempt to flatter strange women on the internet.

How many women are on this site anyway? I only see a few female screen names.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Oh when I say stuff like that I am just trying to illustrate the average-American man. The guy that likes to go to the shooting range, throw back a couple of cold ones with the boys, and watch some porn after his wife hits the sack.

...I think we have progressed to a level in society that a traditional way of life is not really relevant or even economically viable for most households. I completely understand why gender roles existed- they were absolutely necessary for the continuation of the species. However we no longer live in a world where women need to be homemakers.

No, of course we don't need homemakers anymore because we now have that extra familial institution called child care. It's become so necessary that government has become involved. I suppose all those men breast feeding their kids has made sex roles antiquated too. No, of course, we longer need these things as long as there is someone else to raise your kids.

And I don't know what Asperger's or your apparently biological brain issue has to do with anything. It seems odd that you cite this issue as being responsible for your cultural beliefs, yet you think that men and women of yesteryear somehow metamorphosed into something that renders male responsibility obsolete.

I'd also like to know where you get your ideas about the "average American man." Gun ownership in this country is in the minority, let alone combining all the behaviors of visiting a range, drinking beer, and internet viewing habits.

And economically viable? The generation of your father (or probably your grandfather) WAS economically viable. Pretty interesting how all of these modern notions of "gender" roles coincide with larger government and our economic decline.

[pessimist]

No, of course we don't need homemakers anymore because we now have that extra familial institution called child care. It's become so necessary that government has become involved. I suppose all those men breast feeding their kids has made sex roles antiquated too. No, of course, we longer need these things as long as there is someone else to raise your kids.

Is there a rule book that states that you must have children?

And I don't know what Asperger's or your apparently biological brain issue has to do with anything. It seems odd that you cite this issue as being responsible for your cultural beliefs

It was to illustrate that yes while I may not have a manly brain, I don't have girly one either. Wasn't it you who said I sound like a female?

I'd also like to know where you get your ideas about the "average American man." Gun ownership in this country is in the minority, let alone combining all the behaviors of visiting a range, drinking beer, and internet viewing habits.

I notice patterns.

And economically viable? The generation of your father (or probably your grandfather) WAS economically viable. Pretty interesting how all of these modern notions of "gender" roles coincide with larger government and our economic decline.

Wrong. Let's take a look at the nostalgic 50s and compare it today. We have less poverty and a higher quality of life.

The problem is we live in a more 'white collar' world full of office workers. American manufacturing has been decimated, and the average working guy is competing with cheap labor. I can actually envision a future where women are the primary breadwinners- but that’s way off into the future.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Is there a rule book that states that you must have children?

The rule book for many Americans is having children and having somebody else raise them. That includes government parents. If you want kids, then be responsible and raise them.

...I may not have a manly brain...

It has nothing to do with the biology of your brain. Your views are typical of male confusion and lack of male responsibility in today's society.

I notice patterns.

The conclusions from your observations don't match the facts. Your observations are nowhere near patterns.

Wrong....50s and compare it today. We have... a higher quality of life.

Opinion.

I can actually envision a future where women are the primary breadwinners

Doubtful. Not until you figure out how males can bear children and do things like breastfeed.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I already stated in my first thread here that I am of a liberal persuasion. I am just shocked I haven't even been warned yet on here- that is a personal record for a political forum.

So you've lasted less than one month on these other forums? What other forums do you visit and why? Why were you terminated? What brings you to this forum?

[pessimist]

The rule book for many Americans is having children and having somebody else raise them. That includes government parents. If you want kids, then be responsible and raise them.

That's a bit judgmental isn't it? Are you saying parents who have a baby sitter or drop them off at daycare are crappy parents? Who are you to judge? I'm sure there are many kids who live in traditional households that have a crappy life and are physically/psychologically/emotionally abused.

It has nothing to do with the biology of your brain. Your views are typical of male confusion and lack of male responsibility in today's society.

It's called adapting to ones environment.

Opinion.

Longer life, better nutrition, advances in technology and medicine, more access to information, health care, etc.

Doubtful. Not until you figure out how males can bear children and do things like breastfeed.

You don't see the working man struggling to find work in the upcoming generations? You don't need to breastfeed, btw.

[phill4paul]

Hollywood? Learn to swim.



Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see Armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this

Bull$#@! three ring circus sideshow of freaks

Here in this hopeless $#@!ing hole we call L.A.
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any $#@!ing time. Any $#@!ing day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay.

Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your hairpiece and
Fret for your Prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your contract and
Fret for your car.

It's a bull$#@! three ring circus sideshow of freaks

Here in this hopeless $#@!ing hole we call L.A.
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any $#@!ing time. Any $#@!ing day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by fault lines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dip $#@!s.

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see Armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cause
I sure could use a vacation from this

Stupid $#@!, silly $#@!, stupid $#@!...

One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim. [3x]

Mom's gonna fix it all soon.
Mom's comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be.

Learn to swim.

$#@! L Ron Hubbard and
$#@! all his clones.
$#@! all these gun-toting
Hip gangster wannabes.

Learn to swim.

$#@! retro anything.
$#@! your tattoos.
$#@! all you junkies and
$#@! your short memory.

Learn to swim.

$#@! smiley glad-hands
With hidden agendas.
$#@! these dysfunctional,
Insecure actresses.

Learn to swim.

Cause I'm praying for rain
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom, please flush it all away.
I wanna see it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it all come down.
Bring it down
Suck it down.
Flush it down

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Who are you to judge?

I'm the person paying the child care of the parent who is subsidized by government.

It's called adapting to ones environment.

Or engineering one's environment.

Longer life

More nursing homes, fewer family ties, more degenerative disease, etc.

better nutrition

More processed food.

advances in technology

Wheel, combustion engine, printing press, semi-conductor electronics, etc.

more access to information

Confusing knowledge with useless information.

more access to...health care

Compliments of my additional contribution to ACA for someone else.

You don't see the working man struggling to find work in the upcoming generations?

It's been happening for 50 years.

You don't need to breastfeed, btw.

Not as healthy.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I am just shocked I haven't even been warned yet on here- that is a personal record for a political forum.

So you've lasted less than one month on these other forums? What other forums do you visit and why? Why were you terminated? What brings you to this forum?

I'm still waiting for some answers.







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