75% Quieter Hollow Point 22LR

[presence]

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/whatsnew/newproducts.aspx

70- to 75-percent noise reduction, compared to standard velocity ammo.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/ammo/new-...#ixzz3EHc95ypP

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As always, we bring you the finest, most advanced and diverse lineup of rimfire products available. This year, we're giving shooters who use suppressed firearms a new hollow-point option that optimizes performance while further reducing noise. Thanks for shooting CCI®.
CCI® Suppressor 22 Long Rifle

Whether it's plinking or small game hunting, shooters can get the most from suppressed 22-caliber firearms with new CCI Suppressor ammunition. The specialized load produces a subsonic velocity that further reduces noise, yet the hollow-point bullet design expands reliably for excellent terminal performance. CCI Suppressor cycles consistently through semiautomatic firearms, and its clean-burning powders minimize blow-back and ease firearm cleaning.
FEATURES & BENEFITS
• Subsonic velocity of 970 fps minimizes sound signature through suppressed firearms
• Hollow-point bullet consistently expands at low velocities
• Excellent accuracy
• Consistent function in semiautomatic firearms
• Clean-burning powders

[puppetmaster]

NOw to find it.....

[Dr.3D]

How many folks have a suppressed 22lr firearm? I thought it costs a lot of money to have permission to use a suppressor.

[erowe1]

70-75% noise reduction compared to standard velocity ammo.

But how does it compare to other subsonic .22LR ammo? It's not like subsonic is a new thing.

[pcosmar]

70-75% noise reduction compared to standard velocity ammo.

But how does it compare to other subsonic .22LR ammo? It's not like subsonic is a new thing.

It is new to Michigan. Suppressors were only recently legalized here.

[pcosmar]

How many folks have a suppressed 22lr firearm? I thought it costs a lot of money to have permission to use a suppressor.

$200.oo Tax Stamp.
(plus red tape)

[erowe1]

It is new to Michigan. Suppressors were only recently legalized here.

But .22LR ammo that fires at subsonic speeds was still legal even if suppressors weren't. Right?

[Dr.3D]

$200.oo Tax Stamp.
(plus red tape)

So why would anybody get one for a 22lr rather than a larger caliber rifle?

[erowe1]

So why would anybody get one for a 22lr rather than a larger caliber rifle?

I know someone who has one. He's really into guns and probably has suppressors for multiple calibers. But the .22LR is the only one I've seen him use.

It depends on your context.

If you live in a populated area where you're not allowed to shoot a gun on your property to kill a varmint but you want to be able to do it anyway, a .22LR with a suppressor with subsonic ammo might be something you'd want.

Another reason might be if you really place a premium on quietness. A suppressed 22 with subsonic ammo is extremely quiet. I haven't experienced the comparison firsthand, but I understand more powerful ammunition is still fairly loud with a suppressor.

[pcosmar]

So why would anybody get one for a 22lr rather than a larger caliber rifle?

Pest control? Small game. Target plinking.
.22lr is an excellent round. Widely unappreciated. (except by those that appreciate it)

[pcosmar]

But .22LR ammo that fires at subsonic speeds was still legal even if suppressors weren't. Right?

I have never seen it on a shelf. It may be available.. but suppressors were not an option here till very recently so subsonic ammo would be of little use to anyone.

[mad cow]

From your link:

CCI Suppressor rimfire ammo is very similar to CCI Quiet ammo, except the Suppressor ammo is loaded with a hunting bullet, while CCI Quiet is intended for target shooting.

Read more: http://www.gunsandammo.com/ammo/new-...#ixzz3EI28kSwN

I own several thousand rounds of CCI Quiet.I love CCI,my favorite round is CCI standard velocity,also subsonic,unless you wanna go to something that cost 2 or 3 times as much.

But there is no way that CCI Quiet is 70-75% quieter than other standard velocity ammo,don't know about CCI Suppressor,but they sound like the same round other than the bullet.

It also won't cycle most of my semi-auto 22's,so there's that.

[mad cow]

I have never seen it on a shelf. It may be available.. but suppressors were not an option here till very recently so subsonic ammo would be of little use to anyone.

Subsonic .22LR is all I will buy,it is much more accurate than high velocity .22LR because it never breaks the sound barrier twice,once at the muzzle and once more downrange and it is available everywhere from every manufacturer.

All expensive target .22LR ammo used in competition is subsonic and the difference in energy for hunting at ranges less than 100 yards on game or vermin that you would normally take with a .22 is negligible.

[erowe1]

From your link:


I own several thousand rounds of CCI Quiet.I love CCI,my favorite round is CCI standard velocity,also subsonic,unless you wanna go to something that cost 2 or 3 times as much.

But there is no way that CCI Quiet is 70-75% quieter than other standard velocity ammo,don't know about CCI Suppressor,but they sound like the same round other than the bullet.

It also won't cycle most of my semi-auto 22's,so there's that.

I assume it means 75% quieter when using a suppressor, since the suppressor doesn't stop the hypersonic bullets from making their own sonic booms. The sound made by the charge would have to be close to the same.

[Ronin Truth]

Interesting info on the deadliest non-military ammo caliber. Thanks!

[ClydeCoulter]

I thought that part of the subsonic thing was traceability to the source.

If you experience the sound of a bullet flying by (or through the woods) and then hear the report it is easier to locate the source of the bullets position.

[tod evans]

If ya' want to shoot cheap/quiet .22 go air..



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[oyarde]

Are the Eley .22 LR , Olympic , Club and Target ammo sub sonic?

[Acala]

I think what they are touting here is a subsonic round with a hollow point that expands at low velocity. Certainly subsonic .22 ammo is nothing new.

[Ronin Truth]

When you positively absolutely require quieter .22 cal mob hits.

[Acala]

I thought that part of the subsonic thing was traceability to the source.

If you experience the sound of a bullet flying by (or through the woods) and then hear the report it is easier to locate the source of the bullets position.

The muzzle blast and the "sonic boom" of a supersonic bullet are two different things. The muzzle blast, which can be managed with a supressor, emanates from the release of gas at the muzzle and will help locate the gun as you suggest. The sonic boom follows the bullet just like it does a jet aircraft so it really doesn't point to the gun so much. If you ever work the target pit in a long-range high-power rifle match, you will experience the sonic crack of the bullets passing over your head separately from the muzzle blast coming from the firing line. A supressor doesn't help with the sonic boom so you need subsonic ammo if you want ultimate noise reduction.

[XNavyNuke]

For those who hunt with .22LR, you may find these two links will gel tests useful.

http://lofigunandgame.com/the-venera...bsonic-rounds/

http://lofigunandgame.com/the-venera...locity-rounds/

XNN

[William Tell]

I have never seen it on a shelf. It may be available.. but suppressors were not an option here till very recently so subsonic ammo would be of little use to anyone.

You do not understand subsonic ammo. I shoot it almost exclusively, and out of a normal cheap unmodified 22 rifle, without a silencer.

[William Tell]

Are the Eley .22 LR , Olympic , Club and Target ammo sub sonic?

Lots of companies manufacture subsonic, don't know about those. It should say if it is on the box.

[mad cow]

Are the Eley .22 LR , Olympic , Club and Target ammo sub sonic?

As far as I know,all Eley .22LR is subsonic.Midway is a good site for checking ammo stats because they list all ammo they carry,even if it is out of stock and include muzzle velocity and foot lbs/energy in their stats.

They list 10 Eley .22LR and they are all subsonic.The speed of sound is ~1130 fps.If you just want to check one or two particular brands,select them on the left.

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?sortby...ensionid=16327

[oyarde]

As far as I know,all Eley .22LR is subsonic.Midway is a good site for checking ammo stats because they list all ammo they carry,even if it is out of stock and include muzzle velocity and foot lbs/energy in their stats.

They list 10 Eley .22LR and they are all subsonic.The speed of sound is ~1130 fps.If you just want to check one or two particular brands,select them on the left.

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?sortby...ensionid=16327

Excellent.

[oyarde]

Lots of companies manufacture subsonic, don't know about those. It should say if it is on the box.

It is all made in the UK , has about zero info on the box , but I have some because it was all I could find for a time.

[kcchiefs6465]

It is all made in the UK , has about zero info on the box , but I have some because it was all I could find for a time.

Starting to come back from what I've been hearing.

Cabela's and Bass Pro reportedly put out at nine in morning having everything ranging from fifty round CCI, 225 Golden Bullets, on up to 1,000 round M 22s.

If there's one in the area I'd check them out. I've been hearing good things about the .22 ammunition situation though it is still sometimes difficult to come by.

[osan]

How many folks have a suppressed 22lr firearm? I thought it costs a lot of money to have permission to use a suppressor.

There are a lot of them out there. The cost it $200 for the tax stamp and the cost of the can, which can get pricey depending on the manufacturer.

What is interesting is that the turn-around times have actually been going down. We are getting reports of people now getting their approvals in as little as 5 months, as opposed to 14-18. We are speculating that ATF is SO swamped with applications that they were pretty well forced to do something about it. Apparently they have tens or hundreds of thousands of forms on their desks. People are gearing up.

We have several .22 cans and they are very much worth the money for pistols, IMO. I have a MarkIII Ruger with a bull barrel and it is ungodly loud. Our .22 conversion for the SIG is also loud... until the can goes on. Quiet as a whisper. Basically the only noise is that of the mechanism cycling, and maybe the sound of a flea farting.

[osan]

I understand more powerful ammunition is still fairly loud with a suppressor.

Depends on how one defines "fairly loud".

We just put together a .308 AR10 with a 10" barrel. You would not believe the thunder and fire that issues from that muzzle. It is literally stunning. The blast wave puts your hair back. With the can on it, it is very much quieter but still tough on the ears.

OTOH, rifles in 300BLK, 300 whisper, and 338 Spectre with a can may be shot with no hearing protection. They are very low-noise and they are a lot of fun. Giggle guns.

For any given cartridge and load, barrel length will have a good word on how effective a given can will be at attenuating the noise signature.