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    Should We All Take a Bit of Lithium?

    Should We All Take a Bit of Lithium?

    By ANNA FELSSEPT. 13, 2014



    THE idea of putting a mind-altering drug in the drinking water is the stuff of sci-fi, terrorist plots and totalitarian governments. Considering the outcry that occurred when putting fluoride in the water was first proposed, one can only imagine the furor that would ensue if such a thing were ever suggested.

    The debate, however, is moot. It’s a done deal. Mother Nature has already put a psychotropic drug in the drinking water, and that drug is lithium. Although this fact has been largely ignored for over half a century, it appears to have important medical implications.

    Lithium is a naturally occurring element, not a molecule like most medications, and it is present in the United States, depending on the geographic area, at concentrations that can range widely, from undetectable to around .170 milligrams per liter. This amount is less than a thousandth of the minimum daily dose given for bipolar disorders and for depression that doesn’t respond to antidepressants. Although it seems strange that the microscopic amounts of lithium found in groundwater could have any substantial medical impact, the more scientists look for such effects, the more they seem to discover. Evidence is slowly accumulating that relatively tiny doses of lithium can have beneficial effects. They appear to decrease suicide rates significantly and may even promote brain health and improve mood.

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    H/T: NC
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    How long before fed money is only available to states that dope their water drinkers? Kind of like we saw with the farm bill where states only get the loot if they're planting gmo. Was interesting that the folks voting to pass that bill just happened to be the ones who own the biggest farms. Once the lithium producers send their lobbyists to congress to produce pages and pages of legislation that will surely be rubber stamped in the name of science we'll see the same kind of phenomenon, I think.

    Really, it only takes a handful of communities to say that their water supply is low in lithium and needs supplementing and...well...you know. Domino!

    NY times and other similar media will play it like a flute.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 09-20-2014 at 11:04 PM.

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    You know what country has a lot of lithium?

    U.S. Identifies Vast Mineral Riches in Afghanistan
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/wo...pagewanted=all
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    NYT on a roll, huh? Maybe just coincidence. Heh...

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    So then let's just buy Afghanistan, for real. Quick call the Fed, for a check.

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    There are several bath salt products that contain lithum.

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    I believe that there are benefits to taking low-dose lithium. I bet that one day there will be an RDA for it, probably in the .5 - 1mg range. I typically take 5mg (elemental lithium) daily to support brain health. This is far different than the near-gram amounts that are used to treat people with mental disorders...

    Here are a couple examples of low-dose lithium supplements:
    https://www.swansonvitamins.com/adva...otate-100-tabs
    https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swan...-5-mg-100-caps

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    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    Lithium is a known neurotoxin and I would not recommend its use.. Even if it seems to help, it is probably causing long term damage to the Central Nervous System
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    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

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    Should We All Take a Bit of Lithium?
    If it will make government more tolerable, then HELL NO!

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    Lithium in drinking water and the incidences of crimes, suicides, and arrests related to drug addictions.
    Schrauzer GN1, Shrestha KP.
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    Abstract

    Using data for 27 Texas counties from 1978-1987, it is shown that the incidence rates of suicide, homicide, and rape are significantly higher in counties whose drinking water supplies contain little or no lithium than in counties with water lithium levels ranging from 70-170 micrograms/L; the differences remain statistically significant (p less than 0.01) after corrections for population density. The corresponding associations with the incidence rates of robbery, burglary, and theft were statistically significant with p less than 0.05. These results suggest that lithium has moderating effects on suicidal and violent criminal behavior at levels that may be encountered in municipal water supplies. Comparisons of drinking water lithium levels, in the respective Texas counties, with the incidences of arrests for possession of opium, cocaine, and their derivatives (morphine, heroin, and codeine) from 1981-1986 also produced statistically significant inverse associations, whereas no significant or consistent associations were observed with the reported arrest rates for possession of marijuana, driving under the influence of alcohol, and drunkenness. These results suggest that lithium at low dosage levels has a generally beneficial effect on human behavior, which may be associated with the functions of lithium as a nutritionally-essential trace element. Subject to confirmation by controlled experiments with high-risk populations, increasing the human lithium intakes by supplementation, or the lithiation of drinking water is suggested as a possible means of crime, suicide, and drug-dependency reduction at the individual and community level.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1699579

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    In the late 19th century, Texas was well known for its mineral water resorts. Henry Sigerist, a medical historian, reported that Texas had the second most mineral springs of any state, trailing only Wyoming.[1] Though at this time, Texas was not regarded as having some of the most luxurious spas in America (this spot was held by the older northeastern spa areas) people flocked to Texas by the thousands and were consumed with the mineral springs for one reason*—to benefit from the healthful qualities of the waters. The greatest spa resort growth in Texas was from 1890-1919, during which time over one hundred new watering places were established.[2]

    It was during this time of mineral water hysteria that the waters of Mineral Wells were discovered and the town formed its identity. In 1877, James Lynch and his wife, Armanda, left the town of Denison, Texas with their nine children and fifty head of livestock. The Lynch’s were searching for a drier climate because their family had been in poor health. Both James (who was fifty years old when the Lynch’s left Denison) and Armanda suffered from rheumatism. They were stopped on their travels by news of Comanche attacks further west, and on Christmas Eve, 1877, one of their oxen collapsed and died after crossing the Brazos River and another was struck by lightning, so they decided to settle down where they were, in a pretty valley tucked in the hills of Palo Pinto County.[3]

    Mr. Lynch purchase eighty acres of land from the Franco-Texas Land Company for the grand price of $240. From 1877 until the summer of 1880, the Lynch’s hauled water from the Brazos River to their land, some four miles away. That summer Mr. Johnny Adams happened upon the Lynch Ranch. Mr. Adams, a well driller, agreed to drill a well on the property for Mr. Lynch in exchange for a yoke of oxen.[4] At first the Lynch’s were all hesitant to drink the water, because it had a funny taste and they were afraid it might be poisoned. But hauling water four miles is not a terribly entertaining way to spend your day, so they all began sampling the water, and finding that it was not harmful to them, the Lynch’s began drinking the well water. Then a funny thing happened, Mr. and Mrs. Lynch’s rheumatism was cured, and Mr. Lynch, once frail and gaunt, began putting on some weight. In fact, the entire family all perked up and began feeling better.[5]
    ...
    So what was in the water that attracted so many to this infant town? There is a significant amount of lithium found in some of the town’s wells, indicating that the Crazy Water story may weave a few facts into the folklore. The early promoters credited the water’s medicinal agents**—primarily calcium, magnesium, and sulfate*—with the power to relieve or cure, dyspepsia, neuralgia, sore eyes, paralysis, insomnia, liver and kidney problems, rheumatism, scrofula, and improprieties of the blood.[12] People came from near and far because they all believed in the water’s healing qualities.
    http://drinkcrazywater.com/cw/crazy-water-full-history/

    http://durangotexas.blogspot.com/200...ater-from.html

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    TABLE I
    Municipal Water and Urine Lithium Levels in 24 Texas County Seats With Mean Annual Rainfall.

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    Hans Alfred Nieper

    Hans Alfred Nieper (1928–1998) was a well-known controversial German orthomolecular physician.[1][2] He is best known for his treatments of cancer and multiple sclerosis, although his foundational work with substances that he believed would increase the availability of minerals to the body, what he called "mineral transporters", has also been utilized in treating such conditions as alcoholism and liver damage, among others.[2]

    Biography

    Born in Germany in 1928, Nieper was educated at Johann Gutenberg University and the University of Freiberg before earning his medical degree at the University of Hamburg. During his career, he served as director for the Department of Medicine at Silbersee Hospital in Hanover and for the German Society for Medical Tumour Treatment.[3]

    According to Bryan Rosner, et al., in 2007's The Top 10 Lyme Disease Treatments, Nieper "was known for his expertise in applying the advanced principles of physics to medical concepts."[2] He was among the first researchers to work with lithium orotate,[1][2] which he believed could significantly reduce the recurrence of cancer.[4] Nieper also patented, along with Franz Kohler, Calcium 2-aminoethylphosphate (Calcium AEP), which he believed could be helpful in combating such diseases as juvenile diabetes, gastritis, ulcer, thyroiditis, Myocarditis and Hodgkin's Disease.[5] However, there is no evidence from reputable clinical trials for the success of the "Nieper Regime" for treating multiple sclerosis utilizing Calcium AEP.[6] The "Nieper Therapy" approach to cancer also uses Calcium AEP, along with selenium.[7] It is based in part around Nieper's observation that cancer is rarer among sharks than other fish and his theory that the lower blood-sodium level of sharks may be the reason; it places among its primary goals the reduction of that sodium in cancer patients.[8][9]

    Although Nieper was a controversial figure,[1] 2008's Cancer: The Complete Recovery Guide indicates that he "achieved a great reputation as a natural healer."[4] Nieper advocated the health benefits of beta-carotene, recommending raw cabbage and carrot juice for cancer patients.[10][11]

    Coast to Coast AM had a guest on November 20, 2010 report that Nieper was poisoned.[citation needed]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Alfred_Nieper
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    If it will make government more tolerable, then HELL NO!
    I am against government putting ANYTHING in our drinking water--including Fluoride which makes people docile.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I am against government putting ANYTHING in our drinking water--including Fluoride which makes people docile.
    So I guess your answer to the OP title question is therefore, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    So I guess your answer to the OP title question is therefore, no?
    That is correct.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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