Plan Would Allow Searches Without Warrants For Underage Drinking

[Suzanimal]

It's nice to hear the 17 year olds talkin' with some sense.


Montville, N.J. Plan Would Allow Searches Without Warrants For Underage Drinking

MONTVILLE, N.J. (CBSNewYork) — A proposed ordinance in Montville, New Jersey could give police officers broad powers – including entering private property – if underage drinking is even suspected.

As CBS 2’s Christine Sloan reported, the proposal has some people questioning just how far police should be allowed to go.
Residents value their privacy in the upscale community of Montville in Morris County. But the proposed ordinance could change all of that.

Police officers under the ordinance could search homes with probable cause, and without a warrant, if they suspect underage drinking.
“I am not in favor of them just coming into the homes, because there – other people have said – there are children that do make mistakes on various occasions, and that’s more of a parent responsibility rather than a police responsibility,” said Anna Marie Cecire of Montville.

The proposal is so controversial that when it was heard in a local committee room, a vote was postponed until members could hear from the police chief.
But another aspect of the plan does appeal to residents. While teens caught drinking face criminal charges under state law, officers under the Montville proposal could choose to let underage drinkers face lesser penalties.

“They are kids, and kids make mistakes, and they need to understand the consequences, but I don’t think it needs to be on their college application or somehow affect them in the future,” said guidance counselor Debbie Meenan.

Despite that, some 17-year-olds in Montville said the proposed ordinance gives police too much discretion.
“I just feel that it’s not really their business to be going into people’s houses,” said high school senior Brendan Zevits. “If you want to do that, you need to get a warrant.”

“Just coming in our houses searching – eventually, it’s going to turn into hunches and all that, and once you base it on a hunch, then it’s all downhill from there,” said high school senior Stephen McManus.

The mayor, committee members and the police chief do not appear to want to talk about the proposal, Sloan reported. None of them returned CBS 2’s calls.
One town official said the ordinance, which also imposes fines of up to $350, is vague in some areas. For that reason, it will be heard again on Sept. 23.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/09/...rage-drinking/

[DamianTV]

Slaughter children to protect children...

[presence]

Sounds badass! Do they get to use battering rams and grenades?

[Anti Federalist]

Sounds badass! Do they get to use battering rams and grenades?

$#@! yeah they do, this is 'Murika!

Only fagggy talking **** whine about "their rights", all talking faggy and $#@!.

[KingNothing]

Sounds badass! Do they get to use battering rams and grenades?

Duh, how else could they prevent children from hurting themselves without subjecting them to potentially horrific violence?

[Root]

Sounds badass! Do they get to use battering rams and grenades?

Tanks too. Don't forget about the tanks.

[Origanalist]

Residents value their privacy in the upscale community of Montville in Morris County

Hey, wait a minute! This police state stuff is only for the ni%%ers and mexicans. What the hell do they think they're doing coming here????!!!

[extortion17]

. . . without a warrant, if they suspect underage drinking.

Officer : "Are there any underage persons in the household . . . ?"

Adult home owner : "Why yes officer . . ."

Officer : "Well ok guys . . . that's enough . . we suspect so all your rights are tossed out the window . . . "

Awe $#@! !

[Anti Federalist]

I sent this to a buddy of mine in an email, he writes back:

I have obtained a copy of their proposed modifications to the 4th Amendment, styled "The Need to Make Police Searches Easier to Conduct Act".......

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized, EXCEPT, OF COURSE, IN ANY INSTANCE OF HUNCH, SUPPOSITION, ADVICE OF UNKNOWN VOICES SPEAKING FROM SHRUBBERIES, OR WHIMSEY BY ANY DULY ELECTED OR APPOINTED OFFICER OF ANY GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY, HOWEVER REMOTELY RELATED TO THE SUSPECTED OFFENSE IN QUESTION, OR BY ANY PERSONS DEPUTIZED OR ANOINTED BY THEM TO UNDERTAKE SUCH SEARCHES AND SEIZURES FOR ANY OF THE ABOVE NOTED REASONS OR IN CASES OF PERCEIVED NATIONAL EMERGENCY. ANY PERSONS, PETS, OR OBJECTS OF INTEREST NOTED OR SUSPECTED DURING SUCH SEARCHES MAY BE SEIZED AND USED FOR THE BENEFIT OR ENJOYMENT OF THE SEARCHING PARTY'S AFFILIATED GOVERNMENTAL OFFICE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THEY ARE PROVEN TO BE INNOCENT OF ANY CRIME SUSPECTED AT THAT TIME OR AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE.

In the interest of bi-partisanship, I say let them have it if we can add the following, which I call "The Bite Off As Much As You Think You Can Chew, $#@! Act".

HOWEVER, ANY OFFICER OR PERSON CONDUCTING SEARCHES AND OR SEIZURES UNDER THE NTMPSETC ACT, OR ANY PERSONS EMPLOYED BY OR SUPERVISING THE GOVERNMENTAL OFFICES INVOLVED, OR THEIR RELATIVES OR FRIENDS, MAY, AT THE DISCRETION OF ANY CITIZEN OF THE STATE OR OF THE UNITED STATES, BE SUBJECTED TO ANY FORCE DEEMED NECESSARY BY SUCH CITIZEN FOR AS LONG AS IT IS DEEMED NECESSARY TO APPLY SUCH FORCE, SUCH FORCE TO INCLUDE ANY FORCE AVAILABLE, INCLUDING DEADLY FORCE, AND SUCH FORCE MAY BE APPLIED WITHOUT NEED OF PROBABLE CAUSE OR ISSUE OF WARRANT, AND SHALL BE APPLICABLE DURING THE EXECUTION OF SEARCHES AND SEIZURES UNDER THE NTMPSETC ACT, OR AT ANY TIME SUBSEQUENT TO THE SEARCH OR SEIZURE, WITHOUT LIMIT. FORCES AUTHORIZED UNDER THIS PROVISION MAY BE APPLIED, WITHOUT FEAR OF CRIMINAL OR CIVIL RECOURSE, BY ANY LEGAL CITIZEN OR GROUP OF CITIZENS ACTING IN CONCERT, AND ANY RESULTING FUNERAL OR HOSPITAL EXPENSES SHALL BE BORN SOLELY BY THE OFFENDING PARTY'S ESTATE, AND UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHALL ANY PUBLIC FUNDS BE EXPENDED.

[osan]

Sounds badass! Do they get to use battering rams and grenades?

If this is passed and not struck violently down, then hell yes.