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It was good, but I'm pissed he took off early and didn't question the next witness who brought up something I'd written him about. Local towns revolting and kicking ISIL out! something that has happened at least 3 times.
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Its none of our business to defend our "Embassies" abroad. Embassy security is supposed to be provided by the HOST nation. If we are defending our embassy then it isn't an embassy its a military base.
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
http://www.state.gov/m/ds/Originally Posted by presence
but the Marines are the first line of defense at US embassies. foreign security has a track record of being unreliable, but is usually a second line of defense.
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The Marines are LAST line of defense at US embassies and are responsible for INTERNAL embassy security, their primary mission is to destroy classified information if the need should arise.
MISSION:
The primary mission of the Marine Security Guard (MSG)
is to provide internal security
at designated U.S. diplomatic and consular facilities
in order to prevent the compromise of classified material
vital to the national security of the United States.
[PERIOD]
http://www.mcesg.marines.mil/
http://www.disamjournal.org/articles...ions-1961-1042Article 22(2) of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, 1961, states, “The receiving State is under a special duty to take all appropriate steps to protect the premises of the mission against any intrusion or damage and to prevent any disturbance of the peace of the mission or impairment of its dignity.”
Article 29 provides, “The person of a diplomatic agent shall be inviolable. He shall not be liable to any form of arrest or detention. The receiving State shall treat him with due respect and shall take all appropriate steps to prevent any attack on his person, freedom or dignity.”
Article 44
The receiving State must, even in case of armed conflict, grant facilities in order to enable persons enjoying privileges and immunities, other than nationals of the receiving State, and members of the families of such persons irrespective of their nationality, to leave at the earliest possible moment. It must, in particular, in case of need, place at their disposal the necessary means of transport for themselves and their property.
Article 45
The receiving State must, even in case of armed conflict, respect and protect the premises of the mission, together with its property and archives;
The sending state has NO internationally accepted right, duty, or obligation to protect the premises against unlawful entry.
Embassies are NOT military bases.
If
the prudent action would be to WITHDRAW OUR MISSION.foreign security has a track record of being unreliable
Instead of doing this:
and
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ira...forces-n175941
Last edited by presence; 09-17-2014 at 07:53 PM.
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
When your embassy looks like a fortress, that's a pretty good indication that you shouldn't be there.
Kerry can never stop "mock writing" with his pen out of a completely nervous tick.
Looks like something out of the middle ages. Can they pour boiling oil over the top? The guy with his dry cleaning walking at the left is a nice touch.
When your embassy looks like a fortress, that's a pretty good indication that you shouldn't be there.
Last edited by anaconda; 09-17-2014 at 07:41 PM.
Did we switch from ISIS to ISIL?
I think we have different concepts of "inside". Inside the gate and fence - marines. Outside of that, locals.
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I don't care what anyone says, junior do have some suave. One of his most effective traits, I think.
He's also absolutely correct on his last point there before the vid stopped.
Last edited by Natural Citizen; 09-17-2014 at 07:52 PM.
What day of the week is it? You forgot IS. Rolling the dice works well too.
Rock, paper, scissors?
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It needs to be about 4 times as high with towers, a alligator filled moat and a draw bridge.
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Kerry: We welcome the opportunity to have [the AUMF] re-calibrated. It should be but, for the moment, the president believes we need to move now, and that is a full and appropriate exercise of Constitutional power.
Rand: And for the record, that will be after the election.
ZING!
Kerry: "[The president] has lived by the War Powers Act, he has sent countless notices up to the Congress..."
LOL It feels like countless to me too!
Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
--Albert J. Nock
The gate and fence should be provided by the host nation. Otherwise I agree.
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
The only folks who are rolling with the ISIS gag are media. This includes television, the web and radio. As well, those platforms are running with the fear model and so everyone is attaching their fear to the term ISIS. It's like someone is freaking role playing or something or making a ritual out of it. (of course, if we were to put on our tin foil hats, we could probably make a case for just that thing but that's another discussion entirely)
If you listen to any of these politicians they're using ISIL to reference them.
To keep running with the term ISIS, regardless of it's political origin, it kind of gives them "God"like status. And this is what the Grahams of the world want. They want you be afraid. And so they refer to them in God like language like they are so badass that they can take over two entire countries and then come over here and kill all of us.
ISIL. That's the right term. And I'm glad that people are finally picking up on this difference in speaking of them. I know that it's easy to ask what is in a name but it's the subtle little things like this that create the most dangerous terms of controversy.
The term ISIS should be banned from the forum in my view because any paper or link to a paper that is running with the term "ISIS" will certainly have the fear mechanism attached to the story or idea that they are trying to place into our heads. But it's not my forum, unfortunately.
I had mentioned this over in the other thread a couple of days ago... http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post5649632
Last edited by Natural Citizen; 09-17-2014 at 08:36 PM.
Wow. Thanks. I appreciate your thorough response and your insights. I must admit, "ISIS" sounds menacing, like that evil dude in the movie Stargate (who was also in The Crying Game). But "ISIL" sounds like "Hansel and Gretel" to me.
No problemo. HB had actually hit the nail on the head with regard to the use of the term "ISIS" some place around here. I don't remember where but I got to chuckling when he did. The use of names and likenesses to ancient Gods and history is so prevalent withiin our space program as well as others around the world and so I just thought that it was amusing what we see here with the use of the term "ISIS"
Edit-- I found HB's reference.http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post5648752
I had edited that posting that you quoted, btw. I think I just added a couple of thoughts.
Last edited by Natural Citizen; 09-17-2014 at 10:28 PM.
Uhh I disagree. If we have an embassy oversea, we have business defending it.
With the advent of telecommunications, it's not clear to me why embassies are necessary at all.
Could not the multi-billion dollar annual budget for building, maintaining, and securing these good-ol-boy hotels be replaced by a laptop and Skype?
They changed their name when they declared a calafate from ISIS to ISIL. Not sure where IS came from. Think it's gvmt shorthand for whatever they are calling themselves today.
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Sorry but your are over reacting. The term "ISIS" does not sound "god like." If I walked out the door and asked any random person if ISIS sounds "god like", i guarantee they will say no, it sounds like crisis or vices or they will just say isn't that the group of terrorists? This whole "god like" thing is something you created because maybe you heard it from someone else. ISIS, ISIL, IS, AL Qaeda, Al-Shabab, Al-Nusra, bippity boppity boo.
If an ambassador requires residence, then the nation hosting him/her should be in charge of keeping him/her secure. Otherwise they aren't worth sending ambassadors to. Modern embassies as we know them are just military bases under another name. That's why "we" build concrete walls and have the military protecting them. The people of that country don't want them there and view them as an occupying force.
That looks like the Berlin wall.
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/57350595229138268/
Not really. I don't really care enough about it to over react. But what is sounds like has nothing to do with my thought on it. Nothing at all. What it sounds like is irrelevant. Nobody thinks for me, Mr. twomp. If I type it, it comes from me. Nobody else.
If your officials are referencing them as ISIL then that's how the reporting should read. Period. If your sources aren't referencing them in the same manner in which your officials are then my advice would be to question a little more as to why. Now, like it or not, I'm the only person on this board who has even offered a reason or even questioned the difference in use of terms. At least up until now. And...yes...if you really want to tinker with me I can probably...no, I'm absolutely positive that I can provide you with a 20 page (at least) list of government projects that have specifically been named after ...yes...ancient Gods. And not because they "sounded" like them.
Last edited by Natural Citizen; 09-18-2014 at 02:16 AM.
It would seem you don't understand the basic premis of what an embassy is. Embassies are guest houses provided by host nations NOT outposts of sending nations. Sending countries are invited, honored, and secured guests in embassies. The very concept of what an embassy is revolves around a secure location provided by the host to engage in diplomatic relations with foreign powers.
A host nation defending their own embassy abroad is as oxymoronic as giving yourself a Christmas present: The very act undermines the meaning of the terminology.
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
To me ISIS conjures a meaning of pathetic incompetence because long before the term was being used in the media and still to this day it makes me think of Archer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_%28TV_series%29).
are we seriously having this discussion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis
Isis (/ˈaɪsɪs/; Ancient Greek: Ἶσις; original Egyptian pronunciation more likely "Aset" or "Iset") is a goddess from the polytheistic pantheon of Egypt. She was first worshiped in Ancient Egyptian religion, and later her worship spread throughout the Roman empire and the greater Greco-Roman world. Isis is still widely worshiped by many pagans today in diverse religious contexts; including a number of distinct pagan religions, the modern Goddess movement, and interfaith organizations such as the Fellowship of Isis.
Isis was worshipped as the ideal mother and wife as well as the patroness of nature and magic. She was the friend of slaves, sinners, artisans and the downtrodden, but she also listened to the prayers of the wealthy, maidens, aristocrats and rulers.[1] Isis is often depicted as the mother of Horus, the falcon-headed deity associated with king and kingship (although in some traditions Horus's mother was Hathor). Isis is also known as protector of the dead and goddess of children.
The name Isis means "Throne".[2] Her headdress is a throne. As the personification of the throne, she was an important representation of the pharaoh's power. The pharaoh was depicted as her child, who sat on the throne she provided. Her cult was popular throughout Egypt, but her most important temples were at Behbeit El-Hagar in the Nile delta, and, beginning in the reign with Nectanebo I (380–362 BCE), on the island of Philae in Upper Egypt.
In the typical form of her myth, Isis was the first daughter of Geb, god of the Earth, and Nut, goddess of the Sky, and she was born on the fourth intercalary day. She married her brother, Osiris, and she conceived Horus with him. Isis was instrumental in the resurrection of Osiris when he was murdered by Set. Using her magical skills, she restored his body to life after having gathered the body parts that had been strewn about the earth by Set.[3]
This myth became very important during the Greco-Roman period. For example it was believed that the Nile River flooded every year because of the tears of sorrow which Isis wept for Osiris. Osiris's death and rebirth was relived each year through rituals. The worship of Isis eventually spread throughout the Greco-Roman world, continuing until the suppression of paganism in the Christian era.[4] The popular motif of Isis suckling her son Horus, however, lived on in a Christianized context as the popular image of Mary suckling the infant son Jesus from the fifth century onward.[5]
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are we seriously having this discussion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis
Isis (/ˈaɪsɪs/; Ancient Greek: Ἶσις; original Egyptian pronunciation more likely "Aset" or "Iset") is a goddess from the polytheistic pantheon of Egypt. She was first worshiped in Ancient Egyptian religion, and later her worship spread throughout the Roman empire and the greater Greco-Roman world. Isis is still widely worshiped by many pagans today in diverse religious contexts; including a number of distinct pagan religions, the modern Goddess movement, and interfaith organizations such as the Fellowship of Isis.
Isis was worshipped as the ideal mother and wife as well as the patroness of nature and magic. She was the friend of slaves, sinners, artisans and the downtrodden, but she also listened to the prayers of the wealthy, maidens, aristocrats and rulers.[1] Isis is often depicted as the mother of Horus, the falcon-headed deity associated with king and kingship (although in some traditions Horus's mother was Hathor). Isis is also known as protector of the dead and goddess of children.
The name Isis means "Throne".[2] Her headdress is a throne. As the personification of the throne, she was an important representation of the pharaoh's power. The pharaoh was depicted as her child, who sat on the throne she provided. Her cult was popular throughout Egypt, but her most important temples were at Behbeit El-Hagar in the Nile delta, and, beginning in the reign with Nectanebo I (380–362 BCE), on the island of Philae in Upper Egypt.
In the typical form of her myth, Isis was the first daughter of Geb, god of the Earth, and Nut, goddess of the Sky, and she was born on the fourth intercalary day. She married her brother, Osiris, and she conceived Horus with him. Isis was instrumental in the resurrection of Osiris when he was murdered by Set. Using her magical skills, she restored his body to life after having gathered the body parts that had been strewn about the earth by Set.[3]
This myth became very important during the Greco-Roman period. For example it was believed that the Nile River flooded every year because of the tears of sorrow which Isis wept for Osiris. Osiris's death and rebirth was relived each year through rituals. The worship of Isis eventually spread throughout the Greco-Roman world, continuing until the suppression of paganism in the Christian era.[4] The popular motif of Isis suckling her son Horus, however, lived on in a Christianized context as the popular image of Mary suckling the infant son Jesus from the fifth century onward.[5]
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Personally, I worship Eris.
HAIL ERIS!
-t
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