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    Theater Shooting Victim's Parents Sue Ammo Seller



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    Sep 16, 2014, 5:22 PM

    The parents of a woman killed in the Colorado theater shootings filed a lawsuit Tuesday accusing four online retailers of improperly selling ammunition, tear gas, a high-capacity magazine and body armor used in the attack.

    The lawsuit alleges it was illegal and negligent to sell the gear to James Holmes, who is accused of killing 12 people and injuring 70 in the July 20, 2012, attack.

    It says the companies had no safeguards to keep dangerous people from buying their goods.

    "It was highly foreseeable to (the) defendants that their potential customers included persons with criminal intent, including persons such as James Holmes," the lawsuit says.

    The suit was filed by Sandy and Lonnie Phillips of San Antonio, whose daughter, Jessica Ghawi (GAH'-wee), was among the dead.

    "We're putting them on notice," Lonnie Phillips said at a news conference in Denver. "We're coming after you."

    The lawsuit renews the gun control debate in the courts at a time when advocates of tighter restrictions have been relatively quiet in state and national politics, wary of motivating gun-rights voters to turn out in greater numbers.

    After Colorado passed gun control laws in 2013, voters ousted two lawmakers who supported the measures. A third resigned to avoid a possible recall.

    Ghawi, 24, was an aspiring sports journalist who had moved from Texas a year earlier. Less than two months before her death, she had survived a shooting at a Toronto mall that left two people dead and several wounded.

    Her parents are represented by attorneys for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence and two Denver lawyers.

    Named as defendants in the case are Lucky Gunner of Knoxville, Tennessee, Bullet Proof Body Armor of Tempe, Arizona, BTP Arms of New Oxford, Pennsylvania, and the Sportsman's Guide of South St. Paul, Minnesota. None of the companies immediately returned telephone messages seeking comment.

    The lawsuit says Holmes bought at least 4,300 rounds of ammunition from Lucky Gunner's website, bulkammo.com, and 700 rounds of ammunition and a 100-round magazine from the Sportsman's Guide website.

    It says Holmes bought two tear gas grenades from BTP Arms and four pieces of body armor from bulletproofbodyarmorhq.com.

    The 100-round magazine was one factor that prompted Colorado in 2013 to ban the sale of magazines that hold more than 15 rounds. Investigators have said Holmes' 100-round magazine jammed during the attack, preventing even more bloodshed.
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    Ghawi, 24, was an aspiring sports journalist who had moved from Texas a year earlier. Less than two months before her death, she had survived a shooting at a Toronto mall that left two people dead and several wounded.
    Wow, what are the odds?
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    It says the companies had no safeguards to keep dangerous people from buying their goods.
    If this company followed the law and no obvious signs were apparent that any of their costumers had bad intentions then this suit is dead in the water I'd say.

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    There's a reason I cuss lawyers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    If this company followed the law and no obvious signs were apparent that any of their costumers had bad intentions then this suit is dead in the water I'd say.
    If not, all companies that made knives that were used to murder somebody are in trouble.

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    Investigators have said Holmes' 100-round magazine jammed during the attack, preventing even more bloodshed.
    Shouldn't they be praising the company for stopping a higher body count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wow, what are the odds?
    100%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    100%.
    You're really bad at math.
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You're really bad at math.
    After a thing actually happens, the odds are provably 100%.
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    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wow, what are the odds?
    50% unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wow, what are the odds?
    Probably something like 0.000001%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    Probably something like 0.000001%.
    I'll take that bet. $100 that it happened at the million-to-one odds that you specified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wow, what are the odds?
    you are CLEARLY a conspiracy theorist.

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    Shouldn't they also sue the car manufacture he used to drive there?
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    95% of lawyers give all of the rest of them a bad name. How about suing the movie theater for not hiring enough snipers to pick off the armed evil doer loons before hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    After a thing actually happens, the odds are provably 100%.

    No, the odds remain the same.
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    That "No Guns" sign on the front door could have been part of the problem there:

    Needed a bigger sign
    Sign colors / contrast not properly optimized for unlit signage
    Sign was unlighted
    Sign was located too low or too high to be noticed
    Sign was missing from other door(s)
    Sign needed multi-language text because graphic is too confusing to "verbal learners"
    Signs could have more applicable wording. e.g., "No Homicidal Nutcases"
    Sign should not have been put up in the first place because it prevented ordinary people from defending themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    After a thing actually happens, the odds are provably 100%.
    So the odds of flipping a coin and getting 'tails' is 100% just because you got tails once?

    This is why anti-conspiracy theorists can't have nice things.

    I'm asking what the odds are of being involved in two random mass shootings in the same 2 month period?

    First you would need to calculate the probability of being involved in two random mass shootings during your life time.

    Then you would need to multiply that by the probability of it happening in a two month span of your life.

    That's the probability of it happening to a particular person - then we would need to figure out what the chances of it happening to a person in the population at large.
    Last edited by dannno; 10-27-2014 at 09:09 AM.
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wow, what are the odds?
    The universe must have planned that way it's her fault all those other people were killed.

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    This is a retarded lawsuit.
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