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    Justice Sotomayor Warns Against Tech-Enabled "Orwellian" World

    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/09/...rwellian-world

    U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor spoke on Thursday to faculty and students at the University of Oklahoma City about the privacy perils brought on by modern technology. She warned that the march of technological progress comes with a need to enact privacy protections if we want to avoid living in an "Orwellian world" of constant surveillance. She said, "There are drones flying over the air randomly that are recording everything that's happening on what we consider our private property. That type of technology has to stimulate us to think about what is it that we cherish in privacy and how far we want to protect it and from whom. Because people think that it should be protected just against government intrusion, but I don't like the fact that someone I don't know can pick up, if they're a private citizen, one of these drones and fly it over my property."
    Technology can be used for many different things. It can free people, or it can enslave them. Which way do you think we are headed?
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    The Clowns in Gowns speak.

    Hope she remembers that the next time some NSA atrocity is before the SCROTUS.

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    Because people think that it should be protected just against government intrusion, but I don't like the fact that someone I don't know can pick up, if they're a private citizen, one of these drones and fly it over my property."
    Agreed, 100%.

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    Despite the fact that she's a massively unqualified SC Justice and a giant hypocrite; I actually have to agree with her for this very brief moment of clarity.
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    I don't like the fact that someone I don't know can pick up, if they're a private citizen...
    The key in Sotomayer's opinion is that she doesn't want "private citizens" to have this technology. Some animals are more equal than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Despite the fact that she's a massively unqualified SC Justice and a giant hypocrite; I actually have to agree with her for this very brief moment of clarity.
    It's easy to agree with giant hypocrites when they're talking.

    The hard part is agreeing with them when they're doing something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Despite the fact that she's a massively unqualified SC Justice and a giant hypocrite; I actually have to agree with her for this very brief moment of clarity.
    I'm sure an armchair legal analyst like you knows better than a judge with ~18 years of experience on the bench before her SC nomination.

    Smh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The key in Sotomayer's opinion is that she doesn't want "private citizens" to have this technology. Some animals are more equal than others.
    Bingo.

    These "concerns" are usually about preventing ordinary people from having the toys government has. If private citizens have drones, the market will provide technology to counter drones to other private citizens. Government doesn't want either, so it all gets banned (for me and you) under the guise of "protection".
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    It can free people, or it can enslave them. Which way do you think we are headed?
    This is the most important question humanity will be facing over the coming decades. I choose that it will free people.

    Honestly, I think this is the only way we can approach it. If we choose the negative path, it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Obviously, those who wish to enslave us are concentrating their energies on the negative path - we shouldn't join them.

    I think it is much more productive to think of the ways where all of this new technology can free us. Think of Uber. Think of 3D printing. Think of crypto-currencies. Think of cell phones capturing police brutality. Think of the internet. The list goes on and on. The tools we need are developing themselves. How they are used will depend on how we view them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/09/...rwellian-world

    Technology can be used for many different things. It can free people, or it can enslave them. Which way do you think we are headed?
    Big deal. She warns about the technology in this vein, yet will gleefully rely on that very technology to see her vision of what it right for one and all forced upon us. There really is nothing to see there.

    I believe this is yet another example of good intentions leading to evil outcomes: another ultra-statist prick making blabby-blah-blah noises about some evil while they ignore the evils they would foist upon the world. Please Ms. Sotomayor... if you're going to bore me so, please go just a little further so it kills, releasing me from the indescribable pain to which you otherwise subject me with the shrieking stupidities that issue from that maw of hell people call your mouth.

    The older I get, the more astonished I become as clarity comes to me in ever greater measure, showing the apparently endless ignorance of those so widely regarded as "educated" and "accomplished"... the perennial "experts" into whose hands the majority have placed their blind trust and obedience, or apathetic resignation.

    We have allowed our freedom to fall into the clutches of literal madmen who have either no idea what it is they are doing, or know precisely what it is. The lesson here is crystal clear: never waive your rights nor abdicate your responsibility to (at the very least) yourself, family, and fellows to know what your rights are and to protect them with your life if you must from those who believe they are on a mission, whether from God or whatever to force upon others their opinions and visions of one-size-fits-all paradise.

    Until one understands that these people hold ZERO authority, nothing will change save for the worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The key in Sotomayer's opinion is that she doesn't want "private citizens" to have this technology. Some animals are more equal than others.
    While this is probably an accurate reflection of the truth, that is NOT what the quote says, nor implies. To wit:

    Because people think that it should be protected just against government intrusion, but I don't like the fact that someone I don't know can pick up, if they're a private citizen, one of these drones and fly it over my property.
    Note how cleverly she phrased it. She did not come right out and say people should in fact be protected from such governmental intrusions, but that this is what "people" think. It leaves the door wide open to your interpretation, but does not cinch it as being the correct one. BE CAREFUL in how you parse meaning because if you make the brand of assertion as you have, you pave the path for having the door slammed in your face with some considerable violence to your credibility. These people are well trained in the use of language and I daresay that little escapes their pie holes that has not been considered with great shrewdness. In this case, the words lead those minds of lesser habit to conclusions that may be wholly untrue in fact. It is the classic ploy of scoundrels to mislead such that when they are caught in their misdirection, they can plausibly and indeed truthfully say that what was interpreted was not what they said, in strictest terms. This is how they manage to skate, most of the time. The ignorance of the meaner serves to screw him into the ground virtually every time and there is really nothing he can do about it, post facto. The only weapons there are to rid oneself of ignorance and the lousy attitude that sets him up for his periodic shearing at the hands of more clever and determined men.

    The choice is ours. It always has been, for the most part, and certainly is now in these United States where, unlike in ages past, the common man has access to arms often barred him by kings from long ago. Unlike most of the rest of the world, Americans have no excuses. More's the pity.
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    2L8


    ...oh didnt she BAN NUNCHUKS in the STATE of ny?

    nothing Orwellian to see here, move along...
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    That type of technology has to stimulate us to think about what is it that we cherish in privacy


    She and her ilk have conclusively ruled on this.
    What we cherish in privacy has been boiled down to one word: infanticide.

    That ship sailed 41 years ago, ya dumb broad.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Big deal. She warns about the technology in this vein, yet will gleefully rely on that very technology to see her vision of what it right for one and all forced upon us. There really is nothing to see there.

    I believe this is yet another example of good intentions leading to evil outcomes: another ultra-statist prick making blabby-blah-blah noises about some evil while they ignore the evils they would foist upon the world.
    But but but... she's a judge with about eighteen years experience!

    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The older I get, the more astonished I become as clarity comes to me in ever greater measure, showing the apparently endless ignorance of those so widely regarded as "educated" and "accomplished"... the perennial "experts" into whose hands the majority have placed their blind trust and obedience, or apathetic resignation.

    We have allowed our freedom to fall into the clutches of literal madmen who have either no idea what it is they are doing, or know precisely what it is.
    But but but... she's a judge with about eighteen years experience!

    So, 56k, how much experience did Tricky Dick Nixon have by 1972? How much experience did Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    I'm sure an armchair legal analyst like you knows better than a judge with ~18 years of experience on the bench before her SC nomination.

    Smh.
    Yes , I am sure she will protect your freedoms .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The Clowns in Gowns speak.

    Hope she remembers that the next time some NSA atrocity is before the SCROTUS.
    They will remember when deciding whether this technology can be banned for private citizens.

    It will not apply when deciding if government can use it. Not that this would ever come before the Supremes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It's easy to agree with giant hypocrites when they're talking.

    The hard part is agreeing with them when they're doing something.
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    Pandering. Nothing more. Nothing less.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post


    Yep , champions of freedom and all ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The Clowns in Gowns speak.

    Hope she remembers that the next time some NSA atrocity is before the SCROTUS.
    Clowns in Gowns... the Illusion of Authority.

    Theyre called COSTUMES for a reason.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Take a good, long, and careful look at that smirk.

    Smug.

    Bitter.

    Sarcastic.

    It is the countenance of evil outcomes.
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    I'm sure an armchair legal analyst like you knows better than a judge with ~18 years of experience on the bench before her SC nomination.

    Smh.
    Yowza! I say she was chosen to appeal to the Hispanic vote for a coming re-election. In any case, you think merit had anything to do with her selection?

    Shaking MY head.

    (and I never said I knew better, I just implied there were better choices, but none would have been quite so supportive of Obama's socialist reign)
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    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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