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    Obama: Assad Shooting At American Planes Would Lead To His Overthrow

    And the plan is complete. I hope you part-time interventionists are happy. You let the media turn your fear of ISIS lead to this. Played like a fiddle.

    US President Barack Obama delivers a live televised address to the nation on his plans for military action against the Islamic State, from the Cross Hall of the White House in Washington September 10, 2014.

    President Barack Obama would seek to overthrow the regime of Bashar al-Assad if American planes were attacked upon entering Syrian air space, Peter Baker of The New York Times reports .

    If Assad's troops fired at American planes entering Syrian airspace, "Obama said he would order American forces to wipe out Syria’s air defense system," Baker reports. "He went on to say that such an action by Mr. Assad would lead to his overthrow, according to one account."

    On Wednesday, Obama announced that he had authorized US airstrikes in Syria while laying out a four-part strategy to "destroy" and "eradicate" radical ISIS militants who have captured roughly a third of Syria and a third of Iraq.

    Since August, US warplanes have backed Iraqi soldiers, Kurdish peshmerga fighters, and Iranian-backed Shia militiamen as they attempt to roll back ISIS gains in Iraq.

    Baker, who spoke with 10 people who spoke to the president leading up to his speech on Wednesday, writes that Obama " struck his guests as less certain about the endgame on the Syrian side, where he has called for Mr. Assad to step down and must now rely on the same moderate Syrian rebels he refused to arm in the past."

    Syrian rebels associated with the Western-backed Free Syrian Army (FSA) have scoffed at Obama's plan, saying that it rushes to target ISIS while ignoring Assad.

    "I don't really understand this sudden fuss about ISIS," one FSA fighter told The Guardian. "They killed people, but Bashar has been killing for the last three years. But nobody seems to be interested in that anymore."

    Opposition fighters note that simply bombing ISIS will not stop the criminal army and that a comprehensive plan is needed to deal with both ISIS and Assad.

    "Instead of bombing ISIS from the air, we need support inside Syria to fight. It's the only way," Mohammed Al Bakhour, 31, a senior commander of an Aleppo-based FSA battalion, told the Guardian . "Once Assad is gone, we'll deal with ISIS ourselves."
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-...lkA1ZJUDQ5OV8x



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    What if we shoot down one of our own planes and blame it on Assad, does that count?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What if we shoot down one of our own planes and blame it on Assad, does that count?
    I would say yes it would. OR we give the rebels anti-aircraft weapons and they shoot down our airplanes. Whatever it takes to remove Assad right?

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    Played like a fiddle indeed. Assad has always been the goal, but me thinks Putin will have none of it. Assad and Putin are BFFs and Putin has a vested interest in Assad maintaining power, not to mention Russia's port there.

    This does not end well.
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    I wonder how many planes do we plan to lose?


    Not our airspace. Not our business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What if we shoot down one of our own planes and blame it on Assad, does that count?
    I'm expecting it to go down like this. Our precision guided munitions start "malfunctioning" and hitting Assad's forces. Assad's anti-aircraft radar starts targeting U.S. planes. The mere targeting of the planes is seen as an act of war.....and....well....you can guess the rest.

    How convenient that a year his plan to topple Assad was rejected a little terrorism snake oil makes everything a-ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I wonder how many planes do we plan to lose?


    Not our airspace. Not our business.
    Well I'm sure there are some friendly businessmen lining up to sell some new ones..

    I do think it is an interesting question wether Assad will shoot at foreign aircraft, wherever you are on the rest of the debate. I really don't know, shooting them down is probably suicide, not-shooting probably only delays it.

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    Obama is going to bomb Assad's forces like he planned to a year ago, IS is simply the excuse manufactured for this purpose when the original excuse (false flag chem attack) failed to produce the desired result.

    All that matters is the planned pipeline from Qatar to Turkey. Keep your eye on it.

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    Hypofuckingcritical!
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    Why wouldn't Assad shoot down a foreign warplane in the airspace of his sovereign country?

    Obama sending them is an act of war.

    This is bad, real bad. This could end with a proxy war with Russia at best and WW3 at worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Why wouldn't Assad shoot down a foreign warplane in the airspace of his sovereign country?

    Obama sending them is an act of war.

    This is bad, real bad. This could end with a proxy war with Russia at best and WW3 at worst.
    Could you imagine Putin saying "Based on intelligence we are going to make some surgical strikes within the United States of America. Any attempt to down our planes will lead to Obama's overthrow."

    Lol. He should.. then wink at the camera and go wrestle a crocodile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Why wouldn't Assad shoot down a foreign warplane in the airspace of his sovereign country?

    Obama sending them is an act of war.

    This is bad, real bad. This could end with a proxy war with Russia at best and WW3 at worst.
    I doubt Putin can help much. NATO is currently at their front door in Ukraine and I don't see how he can send the ships and subs to Syria like he did last year with NATO hanging out in the neighborhood. The warmongers have this planned well. This will blow up in all our faces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    I doubt Putin can help much. NATO is currently at their front door in Ukraine and I don't see how he can send the ships and subs to Syria like he did last year with NATO hanging out in the neighborhood. The warmongers have this planned well. This will blow up in all our faces.
    Putin could take Ukraine in a week if he wanted to. NATO couldn't stop him if they wanted to. Hint, they don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Could you imagine Putin saying "Based on intelligence we are going to make some surgical strikes within the United States of America. Any attempt to down our planes will lead to Obama's overthrow."

    Lol. He should.. then wink at the camera and go wrestle a crocodile.
    Lol, that'd be hysterical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Putin could take Ukraine in a week if he wanted to. NATO couldn't stop him if they wanted to. Hint, they don't.
    Maybe the eastern side of Ukraine but the western half would put up resistance against a Russian occupation. The warmongers would LOVE for Russia to do that as that gives them an excuse to rally the troops for moar war!



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    To be devi'ls advocate,it is not easy to build support for US invasion of a foreign country considering current debt, airport gropes, militarized police states situations... without any incidence like above that swc drone outlined.

    Clinton aide's idea: Let Iraq shoot down US plane
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    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    I doubt Putin can help much. NATO is currently at their front door in Ukraine and I don't see how he can send the ships and subs to Syria like he did last year with NATO hanging out in the neighborhood. The warmongers have this planned well. This will blow up in all our faces.
    China is also allied with Syria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Why wouldn't Assad shoot down a foreign warplane in the airspace of his sovereign country?

    Obama sending them is an act of war.

    This is bad, real bad. This could end with a proxy war with Russia at best and WW3 at worst.
    Well why wouldn't he ? I don't think these guys, the government of Syria, is that stupid. They would of course have all the rights to shoot at foreign aircraft (non civilian) that are in their airspace, especially when they are striking within their borders. I do think however that up to a certain point they will 'let this happen', as long and only as long as these strikes actually target ISIS. Which is a very fine line. Mistakes will be made at some point though but I don't think the first violation of Syrian airspace is going to do that.

    Interesting:
    Syria's Deputy Foreign Minister: We're 'Fighting the Same Enemy'
    ......
    Mekdad openly expressed support for airstrikes on Syria — an option detailed by President Barack Obama in an overnight speech — by saying his administration has “no reservations whatsoever.”

    But he said cited the need for logistical coordination with the U.S. before any airstrikes so “there should be no mistakes,” and said “it is a must” for Obama to call Assad.
    ......

    When it came down to international law, Mekdad was most concerned about Obama’s plan to arm rebel groups in Syria.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isi...-enemy-n201136
    Last edited by luctor-et-emergo; 09-16-2014 at 03:34 AM.



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