Maintaining Gun Ownership Records in NC

[navy-vet]

http://online.wsj.com/articles/gun-r...sts-1410562366

Knowing Durham, you can pretty much be sure that the Feds will end up getting this info if they haven't already.
In fact, doesn't the dealer have a record of the purchase identifying the buyer and the weapon? What happens to that?

[navy-vet]

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2014...l-gun-control/
If only everyone would('ve) listen(ed)...

[brushfire]

In IL they simply imposed a middle man (ISP) through its FTIP process, that serves as an intermediate background check. By putting in this process ahead of the NICS check, they can circumvent the NICS retention period, and have a permanent record of the 4473 transaction. Voila! Backdoor gun registration.

Has it done a damn thing to curb violence? No, but that's not why its there.

[navy-vet]

In IL they simply imposed a middle man (ISP) through its FTIP process, that serves as an intermediate background check. By putting in this process ahead of the NICS check, they can circumvent the NICS retention period, and have a permanent record of the 4473 transaction. Voila! Backdoor gun registration.

Has it done a damn thing to curb violence? No, but that's not why its there.

Now that's utterly disgusting and disheartening. Another breach of the oath to uphold and defend the USC. And, I agree, it has nothing to do with our well being, that's for sure! In fact it's the opposite...

[osan]

In IL they simply imposed a middle man (ISP) through its FTIP process, that serves as an intermediate background check. By putting in this process ahead of the NICS check, they can circumvent the NICS retention period, and have a permanent record of the 4473 transaction. Voila! Backdoor gun registration.

Has it done a damn thing to curb violence? No, but that's not why its there.

I wonder whether a TOR-like arrangement would protect against this. Any idea of the exact architecture?

[brushfire]

I wonder whether a TOR-like arrangement would protect against this. Any idea of the exact architecture?

No, unfortunately there's no way to make it anonymous, TOR is not quite in the context of what I was talking about - but that is my fault.

To clarify a term, ISP=Illinois State Police vs Internet Service Provider. Sorry for not qualifying the terms - as an IL activist I am accustomed to speaking in the local dialect. The Illinois State Police own the process by which firearms are transferred in IL. They even have a law now where private sales have to include a check on web site, which validates the purchaser's FOID. There is a unique id that is given for the confirmation of that check, which must be maintained with the private transfer records. Although there is no penalty for not complying with the law, its all but certain its just a matter of time before there is.

These are all discrete methods by which IL is able to keep tabs on firearm owners, and we've already seen cases where measures have been taken to exploit such data. An example would be where AG Lisa Madigan trying to make all FOID names/addresses available for FOIA. I would not be surprised if NJ, MA, and any number of areas with local ordinances, are doing the same thing.

Something everyone should consider before ever supporting government access to data. If there is an evil way to use the data, government is sure to find it, its simply a matter of time. That is a fact that is as true today as it was in 1935, or 1776 for that matter.