Tough to distinguish between the fine line of corporal punishment and teaching the kid not to abuse his siblings. Some kids need the switch while others don't. It's a case by case basis. Sometimes you run into a smug, you know what that deserves a heavy hand.
With that said, do you think that his son is going to lay his hand on one of his siblings again? I'd bet against that happening.Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34
Gulag Chief: "Article 58-1a, twenty five years... What did you get it for?"
Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
Gulag Chief: "You're lying... The sentence for nothing at all is 10 years"
Kid is four and Dad has a warrant on him , now . Hope Mom can pay the bills , forever.Not being there , I will give no opinion, but , from the two pictures I saw , I see no cause for this warrant ,
I'm pretty certain that AD's father left him at a very young age, so at least Peterson is trying to make an effort here.
Might, depending on his personality. My uncle teased his brother to no end no matter how many times grandma hit him. Regardless, pavlovian techniques don't actually address the root of the problem and, as noted before, don't work.
So, does anyone know of a non-violence endorsing libertarian leaning website.
Edited. Mean Forum
A parent hitting his kid might curb the immediate and specific behavior, but it's often displaced. A kid will often use the same pattern on a weaker person or animal. He might abuse the family cat. Maybe he pounds on his younger sibling. He might grow up to beat his wife.
Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members
Sure, there is an offchance that you're dealing with a sociopath that cannot process empathy, but on the other hand a risk versus reward foundation can be set up, which could be critical for a child's judgement going forward. Actions lead to consequences.
Last edited by AuH20; 09-12-2014 at 11:26 PM.
I don't agree with what he did but I also don't think it's any of the state's business.
And what would you do if you saw someone punishing their child?
My bet is either mouth off or call the cops.
If I saw some one switching a kid.
Oh yeah, I'd call the cops, also record it on my nexus 5, post it online. A fair amount of people don't like that kind of thing.
If it was to the level that the whipping was drawing blood, like in the pics, yeah, I know I'd do my best to stop the psychopath right there.
If your view is a "libertarian" stands by while someone beats on another human being and does nothing, well, that's not the side of the debate I'm on.
It doesn't really matter if the abuser is a cop or a psycho parent.
First off I'm not a libertarian or any other neat little label some folks adhere to, and I could honestly give a $#@! what a "fair amount of people like"..
"Drawing blood" is complete hyperbole in this instance, are you a DHS employee?
"Doing your best" to stop behavior you find abhorrent is the correct thing to do in my opinion. Calling the cops is the worse thing you can do.
Standing by and recording behavior you actually consider abuse is chicken$#@! behavior that only serves to enable the police state!
I'm in no position to argue for or against the fathers behavior in this particular instance, I wasn't there.
Your statement about recording abuse and calling the cops speak volumes to me about your character...
I knew you'd go there before I hit submit.
Unfortunately, we do live in this "reality".
In my utopia, there wouldn't be any cops, and someone beating their kids, or wife, or whatever, would be be taken care of locally. However, if I ran around in this system doing what I thought was ideal, I'd be sitting in a jail cell.
So, yeah, for some things you are forced to work in the system, or else you go to jail, and there are about a million of them and 1 of me.
For the Record, I've called the cops ONCE, and that was when I was driving behind a person that was swerving back and forth across both lanes of traffic in a residential zone for like a mile, obviously drunk, on drugs out of his mind, or having a heart attack. I don't regret that. In my Utopia, I'd have called alerted the community, and we'd have showed up at his door step to "politiely" inform him, nearly killing other peoples kids, wives, or husbands because he wanted to drive wasted was not acceptable.
Edited to add.
If the system devolved into anarchy, and we had the chance to form our own communities, well this wouldn't be a problem. You could join the mind your business even if someone is beating their kid town (I consider the pictures posted beating), and I'd move to a community that agreed to have a set of rules we all agreed upon (One of those being no child abuse). We just wouldn't have anything to do with your town and vice versa, no big deal, just don't come to ours, and we won't go to yours.
Simple.
Last edited by RonPaulIsGreat; 09-13-2014 at 05:02 AM.
So glad he's not on my fantasy team again this year..
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I don't think I ever looked like that. At least not at 4 years old. I think AP went over the line here. A couple raps would have been plenty. Looks like he went stupid on the boy.For those who say this used to be the norm....here are the pics of AP's son's injuries:
My parents used corporal punishment with me too....I don't agree with that approach, but that's how it was "back in the day". However, I never came away looking like that ^^
I think you're at the wrong site. Stormfront is at the other end of the internet.
Yeah, take your collectivist thinking shove off. You won't be missed.
LOL.
1. Open handed on the buttocks causing sting
2. Administer with a level head
3. Execute very rarely
4. Only apply for extreme or destructive behavior
Strong willed kids will respect you more the next time you shout and exhibit your boiling point. They wont want you to go there again.
“The easiest way to gain control of a population is to carry out acts of terror. [The public] will clamor for such laws if their personal security is threatened”.
- Josef Stalin
Parents have no rights. Only privileges. A child isn't their property they can abuse and beat to a bloody pulp for any minor infraction.
Anyone who thinks this will reduce the likely hood of misbehaving in the future is a fool. The overwhelming consensus among health care professions is that corporal punishment leads to increased crime rates and a host of other issues.
Corporal punishment is nothing more than lazy parenting that teaches might makes right. It teaches no moral values or principles. All it teaches is "fear someone stronger than you or get the $#@! kicked out of you", something that study after study confirms, as kids who were hit by their parents are far more prone to violence as adults.
Last edited by Cutlerzzz; 09-13-2014 at 09:12 AM.
Second point I think is the most important, but every single points you made are close 2nds and 3rds. The kid also need to know why you are doing what you are doing and why your harsh actions will benefit him/her in the end.
Good point. On the few occasions I've had to do this, I had explained the reasoning long before the punishment. Most parents dread doing this and go the extra mile to explain why it's necessary. Although a 10 year old may not understand it at the time, when they are older they will look back on it and realize it was in their best interest.
“The easiest way to gain control of a population is to carry out acts of terror. [The public] will clamor for such laws if their personal security is threatened”.
- Josef Stalin
No, but here's a book you might be interested in. http://www.amazon.com/Takes-Village-.../dp/1416540644
"The Patriarch"
The overwhelming consensus among climatologists is man made global warming is going to cause catastrophic damage to the earth.
The overwhelming consensus in the medical community is you should take statins for high cholesterol....
(insert other examples here.....)
"The Patriarch"
I have a hard time with the use of a switch - if one is going to spank their child, I really believe that nothing more than an open hand should be used, and it should be the last resort. The idea is to discipline, not to inflict wounds, and not to vent or demonstrate the adult equivalent of the temper tantrum.
I agree with those who believe in non-violent methods of discipline, that's always the preferred option. I dont agree with those who think they have non-violent means, and they resort to endless warnings that amount to inaction, long lectures which the kids tune out, screaming incessantly, or solitary confinement for excessive amounts of time. So called ant-spanking proponents who scream at their kids, and offer no consequence, are not doing their children any good either.
One thing is for sure, I find it pretty rare to see any parent disciplining their children. In fact, I see most parents praying to their smart phones, all but ignoring their children. It truly is a rarity to see a parent give a damn. Most parents I know put their kids in day care - even when they're not at work. Someone else needs to take care of their children... Its really strange. Really, what do they do as parents? They work to keep the big screen on, keep the status symbol SUV fueled, and pay the daycare. To me this really resembles communism where all anyone has to worry about is waking up and working. Few people know how to install a toilet, or change hoses on their washing machine, let alone put a roof on their house. Leave it to the specialists to do those tasks - raising children seems to take on the same mentality.
I guess what I'm getting at is that I'd rather see someone doing something, rather than just ignoring their children's behavior. I certainly dont agree with my parents method of parenting, but I appreciate the fact that they gave a damn. Am I excusing Mr Peterson for what he did? Not really, but I'm not convicting him either. As someone said earlier, who knows what the circumstances are? What I can say that this family probably has a sh!tty dynamic if the police are being called. That concerns me more than the whoop'n. I can only hope things improve for him and his family, but somehow the current situation doesn't seem like its headed towards a constructive end.
Oh, and there's always the 'Ectorrr method of discipline.
"La familia es todo"
Gulag Chief: "Article 58-1a, twenty five years... What did you get it for?"
Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
Gulag Chief: "You're lying... The sentence for nothing at all is 10 years"
+1.
I've seen the pics. I can't imagine what they looked like before they had a week to heal. Multiple open wounds (what would folks be saying if he got an infection?) due to repeated whippings on a 4 year old is way over the line.
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