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  1. #121
    I watched the TMZ video... I saw her aggressively slap at him, and finally charge him looking mighty bent on inflicting further pain.

    His immediate reaction did not strike me as particularly over-the-top. It didnt really look like he was really trying to do a UFC highlight KO punch. It was mostly her slamming her head into his fist.

    Now I'm not saying she deserved to be knocked out, I'm not saying he did nothing wrong either, but the real story here is that she accepted what happened and went on to marry him. She released a statement today still defending him and referring to a bad time that they had moved past. So while everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over their opinions on whether or not the action is justified, a husband and wife, both who have made mistakes, and reconciled and moved past it.

    Then AFTER a media created $#@!storm, AFTER his court date, AFTER he went into a program to help him, AFTER she married him, AFTER the NFL punished him in accordance to the facts they had and then policy regarding the matter relating to his contract with them, their private business is being slammed through the news cycle a million times a second.

    What is the real crime here? Who is actually getting screwed here?

    Do we want to sit here and pretend like we all know exactly what we would have done if we were in his shoes? Do we want to pretend like we all have the ALL the facts? Do we just hate to see successful people do well, despite thier shortcomings?

    Or do we want to question the absolute power of the media and their uncanny ability to control public opinion?



    Where's the video of a plane hitting the Pentagon?



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  3. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Words backed by the threat of violence from the state?

    I'm not understanding.

    My point was: if a man is engaged to be married to the wife from Everybody Loves Raymond- why does he marry her in the first place?
    Last edited by pessimist; 09-09-2014 at 05:30 PM.

  4. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by pessimist View Post
    You know, maybe if men were able to be MEN again, we'd be allowed to discipline our own wives and fiancees and girlfriends when they fly into one their estrogenic rages or go into mouthy vixen mode.

    A few lashes would probably do the trick, huh?
    I know you gest, but I feel sorry for men who are with women who "fly into estrogenic rages, etc." Best to suggest to her that she get her hormones in balance.
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

  5. #124
    Reading the forums today has convinced me, more than ever, that there is very little hope of anything ever going in the right direction.

    Guess what? She's right. No "help" came of this video coming out. The white knights riding to her rescue have not done anything to make her situation better. If anything, it's likely to just get worse and worse as time goes on, since now there's going to be constant strain and an even bigger motivation for him to be violent towards her.

    Why can't they make her situation better? Because no one can do that but her. No one. Ever. For those of you arguing that he's the one being overly wronged here, the SAME THING APPLIES! No one can make him leave this spitting, hormonal gold-digger (as some of you would characterize her).

    If your heart really goes out to someone who got socked in the face (or spit and slapped, again depending on your perspective), then what would playing and replaying and analyzing and dissecting that same video, all subsequent actions and motivations, and all the affiliated bull$#@! accomplish? Some people DO NOT MIX and it takes time for it to fall apart. Sometimes it falls apart way too late, and that's tragic, but I will bet every penny I have that forcibly splitting those people apart and punishing one or the other is not going to fix it. It will just lead to two dysfunctional relationships when they each find someone else in time. And you know what? Maybe she would, if given the choice, just want all of this to go away so she has time to think and talk to her family, and make her own decision as to what to do and how to do it. Maybe she'd make the absolute wrong choice. Gosh I thought we were all for that around here....

    Ultimately it is up to the people actually involved in an ideal world. I hate to break it to you, but neither you nor I are involved, and some of you are speaking from the dankest, darkest corner of utter ignorance and inexperience.
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

  6. #125
    Okay, after reading through this thread I've come to conclude that some men would probably be better off having a male housemate- one that won't psychologically abuse them, push their buttons, screw them over in court, make false accusations, or nag them day in and day out.

    Just two dudes sharing a house- drama free. I'm sure they'd have some extra cash flow without having to support some petulant high maintenance woman, so I'd reckon their biological carnal needs could be met via an escort service.

  7. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    either way..its not really cool...right?
    No it isn't. I wasn't condoning a woman hitting a man.

  8. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Deborah K View Post
    Best to suggest to her that she get her hormones in balance.
    I may not have the greatest knowledge of women but even I know that's one surefire way to incite an "estrogenic rage". lol

  9. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Deborah K View Post
    I know you gest, but I feel sorry for men who are with women who "fly into estrogenic rages, etc." Best to suggest to her that she get her hormones in balance.
    My girlfriend is a liberal progressive highly neurotic Jewish woman.



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  11. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I may not have the greatest knowledge of women but even I know that's one surefire way to incite an "estrogenic rage". lol
    It's not what you say, dearest. It's how you say it. And when!!! When is important in this case. For Gosh sakes don't do it when she's PMSing. Now that would be really stupid. LOL.

    Seriously though. A reasonable woman knows that when she's particularly cranky, and tired at a certain time of month, it may have something to do with hormonal imbalance. A woman who flies into a rage during that time has more serious problems. And not doing something about it is unfair to her family, as well as herself. There's no need for her or her family to have to suffer through it.
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

  12. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by pessimist View Post
    My girlfriend is a liberal progressive highly neurotic Jewish woman.
    Well...you must not have a problem with it if you're attracted to her. Here's hoping the good far outweighs the bad.
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

  13. #131
    What I learned...

    Don't hit a woman, that's what kids are for...

  14. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaWV View Post
    Reading the forums today has convinced me, more than ever, that there is very little hope of anything ever going in the right direction.

    Guess what? She's right. No "help" came of this video coming out. The white knights riding to her rescue have not done anything to make her situation better. If anything, it's likely to just get worse and worse as time goes on, since now there's going to be constant strain and an even bigger motivation for him to be violent towards her.

    Why can't they make her situation better? Because no one can do that but her. No one. Ever. For those of you arguing that he's the one being overly wronged here, the SAME THING APPLIES! No one can make him leave this spitting, hormonal gold-digger (as some of you would characterize her).

    If your heart really goes out to someone who got socked in the face (or spit and slapped, again depending on your perspective), then what would playing and replaying and analyzing and dissecting that same video, all subsequent actions and motivations, and all the affiliated bull$#@! accomplish? Some people DO NOT MIX and it takes time for it to fall apart. Sometimes it falls apart way too late, and that's tragic, but I will bet every penny I have that forcibly splitting those people apart and punishing one or the other is not going to fix it. It will just lead to two dysfunctional relationships when they each find someone else in time. And you know what? Maybe she would, if given the choice, just want all of this to go away so she has time to think and talk to her family, and make her own decision as to what to do and how to do it. Maybe she'd make the absolute wrong choice. Gosh I thought we were all for that around here....

    Ultimately it is up to the people actually involved in an ideal world. I hate to break it to you, but neither you nor I are involved, and some of you are speaking from the dankest, darkest corner of utter ignorance and inexperience.
    She didnt want any help. Why are you so concerned with helping her?

    She wanted to put that behind them and move on...

  15. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    She didnt want any help. Why are you so concerned with helping her?

    She wanted to put that behind them and move on...
    Thanks for resaying what I said?

    I don't want to "help" her. I said that Janay Rice was correct in her statement. The people pretending they want to help are making it worse and don't give a fig about it.

    I have no idea where you get that I'm concerned with helping her at all from that entire quote.
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

  16. #134
    So what is Obama up to behind the scenes? A new war?

    Operation Divide and Conquer is a resounding success. We have reached 100% saturation in the media. It has been on the idiot box every time I've turned it on.

    Of course this also furthers the "war on women" meme.
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  17. #135
    What I learned: Some people project their own personal traumas onto other people's situations and come to irrational conclusions as a result. Oh, and sweeping generalizations. Can't forget the sweeping generalizations about women not being held accountable for their behavior. Oh, and a spanking is the same thing as a beating.
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

  18. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    So what is Obama up to behind the scenes? A new war?

    Operation Divide and Conquer is a resounding success. We have reached 100% saturation in the media. It has been on the idiot box every time I've turned it on.

    Of course this also furthers the "war on women" meme.
    Only if the Rice's aren't liberal, and aren't supporters of Obama and the democratic party.
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!



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  20. #137
    It was kinda interesting TMZ waited until after the first game to release the video. There is a big difference between releasing it even 1 week ago versus now. If he's under contract with the Ravens through the first game of the season, he gets some guaranteed money. TMZ may be trying to get protection from the lawsuit that is now sure to happen.

  21. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaWV View Post
    Thanks for resaying what I said?

    I don't want to "help" her. I said that Janay Rice was correct in her statement. The people pretending they want to help are making it worse and don't give a fig about it.

    I have no idea where you get that I'm concerned with helping her at all from that entire quote.
    Im sorry, I misread what you said. Leave it to me to do such a thing..
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  22. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    It was kinda interesting TMZ waited until after the first game to release the video. There is a big difference between releasing it even 1 week ago versus now. If he's under contract with the Ravens through the first game of the season, he gets some guaranteed money. TMZ may be trying to get protection from the lawsuit that is now sure to happen.
    Good theory but incorrect.

    The Ravens won’t owe Rice anything for 2014, since he wasn’t active for Week One.
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-up-on-ravens/

  23. #140
    Not to derail the thread, but if Ray Rice just had a buddy to fist bump after knocking her down, then there wouldn't be a problem. Apparently a fist bump magically absolves you of any repercussions.



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  24. #141
    The media is also focusing on whether or when the NFL saw the full video and are essentially blaming the NFL for not getting it.

    So, the video is probably the property of the Casino. So why would another entity, such as the NFL, automatically have a right to see that video? Does the NFL issue search warrants now?
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

  25. #142
    Interesting coincidence. They also used the clip of the guy who kicked a dog in an elevator. Was that a veiled reference to Ray Rice? You never know.

    The Daily Show - Masters of Sexism:

    http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/h8...ters-of-sexism
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    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

  26. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Deborah K View Post
    What I learned: Some people project their own personal traumas onto other people's situations and come to irrational conclusions as a result. Oh, and sweeping generalizations. Can't forget the sweeping generalizations about women not being held accountable for their behavior. Oh, and a spanking is the same thing as a beating.
    What you learned: nothing at all.

    What we learned: you are a slave to your behavioral conditioning, and deep down believe women should be treated like children regardless of age.

  27. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    Do we want to sit here and pretend like we all know exactly what we would have done if we were in his shoes? Do we want to pretend like we all have the ALL the facts? Do we just hate to see successful people do well, despite thier shortcomings?
    What many of the people commenting on this thread want is to feel morally superior. They saw an easy chance to present themselves as such, and after that presentation fell completely apart in the face of objective analysis, decided those who didn't jerk their knees in tune with the popular fashion must be projecting some personal trauma.

    To see this happen on Ron Paul Forums, of all places, demonstrates just how easily the masses are manipulated. Present a narrative, repeat it endlessly, let those who believe it feel superior, and lo and behold, a Truth is manufactured.



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  29. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by fr33 View Post
    That video is edited down. I saw a longer one yesterday that showed her hitting him on the way to the elevator and inside the elevator. I'm not saying what he did was right. Walking/running away from her or just shoving her away would be better.
    well if she did hit him first then , well, a person can only take so much. ive never hit a woman before but my ex hit me 3 times in the back as hard as she could because i wouldnt go in debt for a house. i DID NOT hit her back, but i told her if she ever hit me again, id give it back in return. a woman cant just hit a man because she thinks shes allowed to or can.

    flame away, i know its coming from some here, but seriously, there is a line.

  30. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Deborah K View Post
    No matter how you try to rationalize this, that kind of attack on her was NOT warranted. I'm through arguing with you about that. The ONLY way it could ever be warranted is if she came at him with a knife or other weapon, and he was defending his life. Words are not a defense in a case of a couple in an argument.
    The law and thousands of years of tradition wholly disagree with you. By law, he acted in self-defense. By tradition, she earned her consequences by biting off more than she could chew.

    Your neo-religious belief that no matter what a woman does she cannot ever provoke a man into justifiably striking her is a huge part of the problem. You are creating a situation every bit as abusive as the women-are-property tradition of primitive cultures. So you are perfectly fine with setting conditions that permit and facilitate abuse, as long as females get exclusive rights to be the ones doing the abusing.

    You clearly have no objection to abuse in and of itself; you clearly also believe that no man has a right to be free of abuse.

    GOOD LUCK reconciling that with any claimed adherence to the principles of liberty.

  31. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    The law and thousands of years of tradition wholly disagree with you. By law, he acted in self-defense. By tradition, she earned her consequences by biting off more than she could chew.
    Welp, you're clearly off your rocker. Have fun defending a full left hook as adequate defense for verbal abuse. I'm out.

  32. #148
    I'm only responding to the OP here. Unless I miss my guess, this was probably not the first time something like this has gone on with the Rices. This was probably the first time it was caught on camera in a public place. Now the ugly secret is out. They are both in the wrong. In this case, a big, strong, athletic man does not hit anyone with whom he is in relationship. A woman does not let herself be hit a second time.

    Now they are married. They need to get some help for their relationship. Ray Rice, particularly, needs to push this. He is a wealthy man, and now that he is married, and this is on camera, he needs to protect himself and learn better ways to deal with conflict. Wife does, too.
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  33. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    What we learned: you are a slave to your behavioral conditioning, and deep down believe women should be treated like children regardless of age.
    Aren't you saying that women should be treated like men regardless of the fact that they aren't?

  34. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by malkusm View Post
    Welp, you're clearly off your rocker. Have fun defending a full left hook as adequate defense for verbal abuse. I'm out.
    "full left hook"? Either you are talking about a different incident, or you are demonstrating the power of media to convince someone that something is true even when the video evidence contradicting that statement is freely available to them to view at their leisure.

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