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I think he means moral obligation, not necessarily legal obligation. Still irrelevant, though.
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Pfft, "intolerance." An ambiguous word, but of course, the liberals wouldn't use anything else, just so long as they get to decide what lies within and without the boundaries of "tolerance." Meanwhile, gay advocates will not tolerate people like Cathy expressing their beliefs, regardless of whether those beliefs have a direct effect on YOU or not.
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Looks somewhat interesting. I hope it has more substance than LGTB. Thanks!
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LGBT includes anybody who is attracted to both sexes, even if they don't act on it. It is easier and more socially acceptable to be straight so a lot of people who are bi simply have traditional relationships because it is more socially acceptable and it is easy for them. Some gay people have traditional relationships for the same reason, it being much more difficult for them. In places where it is more socially acceptable to have alternative sexual relationships, more bi and gay people may decide to branch out and experiment with these feelings.
It is possible that only 2-3% of the population is openly gay, and not bi. But I would say another 2-3% are closet cases. Then there is the 5-7% who are bi, and probably about 1% are transsexual or similar.
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Nobody has a right to a government marriage license. That's the only thing that any gay marriage "ban" actually bans. Gay people can still get married, they just can't get a license.
The government has forced us to take this "debate" solely into the realm of arguing over more or less government handouts for certain groups of people instead of their actual inalienable rights, which have not been violated.
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This argument really irks me. "Let's hope for change but do nothing except redistribute the government privileges in the meantime."
If you want things to be equal, then fight to take away marriage licenses from straights, not give them to gays.
The thing is, gays rights aren't being violated any more than the rest of us. A straight person can't marry someone of the same sex just as much as a gay person can't. So I sure as hell won't judge someone for thinking we shouldn't keep adding privileges before ending them. If you advocate adding privileges, then you're working in the opposite direction of what we want, which is to get rid of them.
Cathy wasn't intolerant. He was thinking from the point of view of traditional marriage, which he wanted to remain traditional. It wasn't his fault that the government hijacked marriage and made it a debate over more or less government privileges for certain people. It wasn't his fault that "marriage" became synonymous with "government marriage license" in most people's vocabulary such that they could no longer distinguish between the two. That's why I ALWAYS distinguish between them, because nobody who takes sides in the "gay marriage" debate wants to discuss the REAL issue, and it pains me to see that this is true even for some on RPF, like yourself.
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Spoiler alert: It's never gonna happen. We can't even get many liberty-oriented politicians elected, so a more complex idea of getting marriage away from the government is a completely pie in the sky proposition right now. But we can at least level the playing field for different sexualities. And you don't have to like it, but it's already happening all across the country.
Can't believe you dragged out this tired old specious argument.The thing is, gays rights aren't being violated any more than the rest of us. A straight person can't marry someone of the same sex just as much as a gay person can't.
We'll have to agree to disagree. He funded groups that lobbied on keeping special government marriage privileges for straight couples only. You can think what you want of Cathy and I'll think what I want of him.Cathy wasn't intolerant. He was thinking from the point of view of traditional marriage, which he wanted to remain traditional. It wasn't his fault that the government hijacked marriage and made it a debate over more or less government privileges for certain people. It wasn't his fault that "marriage" became synonymous with "government marriage license" in most people's vocabulary such that they could no longer distinguish between the two.
Oh, great. What else is never gonna happen? Let's see: the police state will never be stopped, a liberty president will never be elected... Yeah, pretty much the whole cause of liberty is lost, so why do we even fight for it? It's the same principle with what I'm saying, so thinking that it's "never going to happen" is obviously no reason not to advocate for it. So why are you so enthralled with the idea of redistributing privileges while liberty takes a backseat? That didn't stop you from backing Ron Paul, did it?
It's valid. The law isn't based on what we want. It's based on equality, and there is no inequality in the marriage system. Both gays and straights are subjected equally to these laws, so to compensate for that would just be another disastrous bureaucratic attempt to "level the playing field" via more regulation and more laws. We see how well that's served us in the past.Can't believe you dragged out this tired old specious argument.
Well, that doesn't give you an excuse for being wrong. Your opinion is only valid if it's based on real evidence, and yours is not. It's not Cathy's fault that the government hijacked marriage, so these government marriage privileges he's lobbied for are not his doing. He just wants to defend traditional marriage, but he was stuck in a pandora's box of confusing government propaganda that made it impossible to deend traditional marriage without being seen as a bigot.We'll have to agree to disagree. He funded groups that lobbied on keeping special government marriage privileges for straight couples only. You can think what you want of Cathy and I'll think what I want of him.
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That he's intolerant is my opinion. You don't have to agree with me, but it darn sure is my own valid opinion.
Gay marriage is already legal in some states. Cathy was funding groups that lobby to remove that privilege from gays only, not to remove it from both gays and straights. He did this because he couldn't tolerate the government treating all sexualities equally. Anyway, he's dead now, so it's moot.
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