Found this on my Facebook news feed, posted by an old high school chum who's still a Democrat. I almost couldn't believe it. What do you think?
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-an...ertarian-means
It seems that everyday there is somebody new trying to dictate to everybody else exactly what Libertarianism is.Originally Posted by Suzu
Most people don't know what libertarianism is. Including the guy at your link.
I see it as a poisoning of the well for the purpose of undermining Rand Paul ahead of the coming presidential campaign.
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Thom Hartmann is a socialist with a very dull ax to grind.
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I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.
So...is anyone going to debate what the guy wrote or what?
Just go ahead and believe it, Natural Citizen. Everything he wrote is true.
You've been here among us for 7,885 posts and in that time have taken so little interest in what we believe, it's obvious that any attempt to convince you Thom Hartmann might not be completely right about us is time thrown to the wind and ink spilt down the drain.
I can understand a leftist-progressive hating libertarians...but that article is so nonsensical he has to be trolling or extremely unintelligent. I mean, blaming libertarians for Medicare Part D? Really?
As far as politics goes, nothing frustrates me like someone claiming that there's money in the Social Security Trust Fund. The money is all invested in Treasury securities...meaning that the government is lending it to ITSELF and promising to pay the money back to ITSELF. This is so laughably ridiculous that it's unbelievable that most people don't see it as the scam it is.
The rest of the article is just strawmen. He claims that libertarians want to help billionaires, but if he actually bothered to investigate opposing arguments (well, he probably has, but he doesn't get paid to write articles about those) he'd see that libertarians oppose government regulations, wage controls, etc because they actually hurt the poor. Minimum wage laws price low-skilled workers out of the market, FDA regulations increase medical costs and kill people in need of treatment, etc. All easy to understand if you think about it.
Last edited by MaxHen; 09-02-2014 at 12:30 PM.
Yeah, I don't really care about what Thombo has to say, per se. I assumed that if it was worthy of posting here then discussion on it was a given. I've always maintained that libertarianism does actually serve as a stalking horse for neocon/fascist types but then again so does liberalism and conservatism. Of course, what you believe makes no difference to me. The phenomenon is what interests me more so than the specific issues that the guy brings up.
Hartmann, I've never really cared for but I'm not much on ad-hominem. Never have been, really. There is probably a great discussion to be had there if one were to condsider the demograph that his scribbles were actually directed. There exists a very large demograph of people (and it could be said that they greatly outnumber those of which we like to fish for in the mainstream) who are often at the receiving end of the finger pointing and just overall nastiness that we see from the political liberty leaning base of supporters in the so called liberty movement. Those people do look in the direction of the Pauls and their vision as something that they share. It's a very scary thing for the Hartmanns of the world. Whatever...do what you want.
Last edited by Natural Citizen; 09-02-2014 at 02:38 PM.
So, why would I take the time to articulate what I believe for you? If someone has nothing but contempt for me and nothing but indifference towards my views, I am not inclined to spend time talking about my views to him.
I have tried to engage you in a real and honest way before. I have asked what you believe and what you are interested in. I would always invite and welcome such a conversation.
Yeah, see, that's that's the thing, Helmuth. We spend entirely too much time and energy on ourselves. It's not healthy in terms of scope or the larger scheme of things where demographics are beginning to merge or synergize. Perhaps that is the better word. Synergize, that is. It is very important to not just attack that which offends us personally or the messenger itself. That just relegates things to a special pleading type of scenario and then we lose any support that is certainly already out of scope. I suppose that was the point that I was trying to make in my other communication. I wasn't knocking on you specifically or anything. The point is that the Thom Hartmanns are the ones who are addressing a very important demograph. And doing so in a thorough way regardloess of any sour grapes that we may have here about it. And what do we do? Just spot a one liner and run along? Who wins there. I mean, really. Who wins? I'd say Thom does. At least in the eyes of his target.
Helmuth. I'll tell you something. Since you asked. I rarely subscribe to what I post or discuss here on the boards. As far as any interest that I may have, it wouldn't be out of scope of the site mission statement.
Last edited by Natural Citizen; 09-02-2014 at 05:49 PM.
I think Thom Hartmann should watch this video.
Why don't post that on his Facebook page?
Last edited by Suzu; 09-02-2014 at 11:17 PM.
I don't use facebook unfortunately, maybe someone else with a facebook can do it.
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