At what point in history would you say America was at it's best?

[RonPaulIsGreat]

The US has always sucked. So, has every other country that ever existed. The whole premise of a country is some men are superior to other men and those men decide what is "best" for all the people. I'm nearing 40 years old and still have not encountered one man that was better suited to make decisions for me than me.

I'm of the mindset anymore, that something like 20 thousand people is like the maximum limit any "community" should ever try to achieve, after that approximate number, it seems the separation between those deciding the macro level decisions becomes totally decoupled from the micro level, and that's the inherit problem of "Countries".

I think I've probably become to Anarchist in my thinking now for ronpaulforums. He's a politician afterall.

[GunnyFreedom]

1880-1920

An insane amount of innovation, wealth creation and still a relative amount of freedom.

Once the damage done by WWI and the Progressive Era took hold, it's been all downhill since then, even if it didn't appear so on the surface.

I was going to say 1890 to 1920, but yeah.

[GunnyFreedom]

1913 was a horrible year for liberty, yes, but the country wasn't affected by 1913, until around 1920.

[charrob]

If we had any sort of treaty with Korea, I'm unaware of it. Treaty or no treaty, promise to Korea or no promise, this was an undeclared war. Or was it? Did we actually have a proper declaration of war here? I don't believe we did, but it's certainly possible I'm mistaken.

You're correct, there was no declaration of war. And, of course, the U.S. should never engage in a war that isn't declared by Congress. Whether this is a situation that merited any intervention at all is what I was questioning-- no right or wrong answer. Just a judgment call I guess.

[satchelmcqueen]

from what i can tell id have to say 1950s-1970.

[Christian Liberty]

2040, when the US government was dissolved and anarcho-capitalism was implemented, to present.

[presence]

June 26 1876

Determined to resist the efforts of the U.S. Army to force them onto reservations, Indians under the leadership of Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse wipe out Lieutenant Colonel George Custer and much of his 7th Cavalry at the Battle of the Little Big Horn.

[Constitutional Paulicy]

If you're talk'n the official country and not the continent, then I agree with Ronin Truth.

Yes I was referring to the official country's history, but the more I thought about it and the more I read members thoughts, the more difficult it was to find anytime that resembled "best".

I do like with this answer though...

The US has always sucked. So, has every other country that ever existed. The whole premise of a country is some men are superior to other men and those men decide what is "best" for all the people. I'm nearing 40 years old and still have not encountered one man that was better suited to make decisions for me than me.

I'm of the mindset anymore, that something like 20 thousand people is like the maximum limit any "community" should ever try to achieve, after that approximate number, it seems the separation between those deciding the macro level decisions becomes totally decoupled from the micro level, and that's the inherit problem of "Countries".

I think I've probably become to Anarchist in my thinking now for ronpaulforums. He's a politician afterall.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

My observation is that the US globally peaked around 1960. Some people in the late 1950s were already recognizing our imminent decline.

Part of the 1960s was recognizing this decline. People realized that the US could not sustain itself by continually hitting places like Vietnam.

Of course, people got tired of the sixties, and the miserable 1970s took over. That was no fun, so we reinvented ourselves in the 1980s. This decade was basically reliving our 1950s glory days.

Some people saw the folly of the 1980s, but did not know what to do. The technology of the 1990s and early 2000s was the perfect distraction to keep us from thinking too much about decline.

We could only go so far with technology, and so 2008 hit us pretty good. The apparent uptick right now is just that. We are still declining. Asia is up. America is down. There are still diehards who refuse to recognize this.

[bunklocoempire]

Up until the Whiskey Rebellion. 1791

[Ronin Truth]

I think a key point that decided this country's fate in terms of future global interventionism was the Marshall Plan which eventually led to the creation of NATO & EU.

Don't forget to add in the Rothschild's UN (NWO, one world government prototype and trial balloon, after the failed Wilson (Rothschild) League of Nations fiasco and embarrassment).

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

Up until the Whiskey Rebellion. 1791

Correct answer

[Christian Liberty]

The US has always sucked. So, has every other country that ever existed. The whole premise of a country is some men are superior to other men and those men decide what is "best" for all the people. I'm nearing 40 years old and still have not encountered one man that was better suited to make decisions for me than me.

I'm of the mindset anymore, that something like 20 thousand people is like the maximum limit any "community" should ever try to achieve, after that approximate number, it seems the separation between those deciding the macro level decisions becomes totally decoupled from the micro level, and that's the inherit problem of "Countries".

I think I've probably become to Anarchist in my thinking now for ronpaulforums. He's a politician afterall.

I think around 40% of us here are ancaps. Some people will give you grief for it, but hey, that's life. I still support Ron Paul... heck I even support Rand Paul though he's not nearly my ideal candidate. But as a principle, at the end of the day, I want a stateless society.

[Demigod]

My observation is that the US globally peaked around 1960. Some people in the late 1950s were already recognizing our imminent decline.

Part of the 1960s was recognizing this decline. People realized that the US could not sustain itself by continually hitting places like Vietnam.

Of course, people got tired of the sixties, and the miserable 1970s took over. That was no fun, so we reinvented ourselves in the 1980s. This decade was basically reliving our 1950s glory days.

Some people saw the folly of the 1980s, but did not know what to do. The technology of the 1990s and early 2000s was the perfect distraction to keep us from thinking too much about decline.

We could only go so far with technology, and so 2008 hit us pretty good. The apparent uptick right now is just that. We are still declining. Asia is up. America is down. There are still diehards who refuse to recognize this.

Every empire before the fall thought it self to be at the height of its power.Empires almost always fall apart fast rather than gradually.

[georgiaboy]

To the OP, I'd say the post Civil War until WW1 was America at a great time.

In my life, our finest moment thus far:



And in retrospect, Ron Paul's entire time in office, which provided the life's work which led to such a grand event taking place.

[GunnyFreedom]

I think around 40% of us here are ancaps. Some people will give you grief for it, but hey, that's life. I still support Ron Paul... heck I even support Rand Paul though he's not nearly my ideal candidate. But as a principle, at the end of the day, I want a stateless society.

I think it's a little more complicated than that. I am all-in for a totally stateless society, but I don't think the people at large are ready for it yet, and in their immaturity would make such a society even worse than the one we have now. Philosophically, I am a Voluntarist, along with Thomas Jefferson (before such a label existed) but I am not an An-Cap because I recognize the decrepit frailty of human nature in the era of sin. If the US Constitution is only fit for a moral people, then a stateless society must be super-moral to remain at peace.

Politically, I am a strict Constitutionalist. As I see it, once we get the government to abide by the Constitution, then we can go about working out maximizing liberty and prosperity, dialing it down over 1000 years less and less government and approaching the perfection of human liberty. Logically, I do not believe the world (and the people thereof) will themselves be fit for a stateless society until Kingdom come. I actually believe that one of the points of the Millennium will be to draw back human governance world wide back to the time of the Judges. IE 'a stateless society.' So sure, this is an ultimate goal, but I'm looking at 500 years from now for the first Solar Continent to declare individuals alone as sovereign.

My belief is that the best way to prepare for the government drawdown on Kingdom come, is to push the US Government back into the Constitution, flawed or not it's a lot better than what we've got, and once we establish the precedent for government obedience, we can work on the Constitution itself to maximize human liberty.

Will we ever be ready, as a people, for total liberty (a stateless society?) sure! probably half way into the Reign of Christ. This side of the Return, my goals are a little more humble.

[Southron]

May 20, 1861.

[Anti Federalist]

What Gunny said.

I think it's a little more complicated than that. I am all-in for a totally stateless society, but I don't think the people at large are ready for it yet, and in their immaturity would make such a society even worse than the one we have now. Philosophically, I am a Voluntarist, along with Thomas Jefferson (before such a label existed) but I am not an An-Cap because I recognize the decrepit frailty of human nature in the era of sin. If the US Constitution is only fit for a moral people, then a stateless society must be super-moral to remain at peace.

Politically, I am a strict Constitutionalist. As I see it, once we get the government to abide by the Constitution, then we can go about working out maximizing liberty and prosperity, dialing it down over 1000 years less and less government and approaching the perfection of human liberty. Logically, I do not believe the world (and the people thereof) will themselves be fit for a stateless society until Kingdom come. I actually believe that one of the points of the Millennium will be to draw back human governance world wide back to the time of the Judges. IE 'a stateless society.' So sure, this is an ultimate goal, but I'm looking at 500 years from now for the first Solar Continent to declare individuals alone as sovereign.

My belief is that the best way to prepare for the government drawdown on Kingdom come, is to push the US Government back into the Constitution, flawed or not it's a lot better than what we've got, and once we establish the precedent for government obedience, we can work on the Constitution itself to maximize human liberty.

Will we ever be ready, as a people, for total liberty (a stateless society?) sure! probably half way into the Reign of Christ. This side of the Return, my goals are a little more humble.

[John F Kennedy III]

Correct answer

I can tell you didn't read mine

[familydog]

American is a fiction. Asking when America was at it's best is like asking when Narnia or Middle Earth was at it's best.

With that said, there is no better time in "America" than right now. We live in a magical era. The internet allows us to have public or private conversations without information gatekeepers. These conversations can happen instantly and in real time. For the first time, the government has little to no control over the flow of ideas.

[phill4paul]

Millions of miles of land awaiting someone to join with. No government. No guarantees.

[phill4paul]

I think it's a little more complicated than that. I am all-in for a totally stateless society, but I don't think the people at large are ready for it yet, and in their immaturity would make such a society even worse than the one we have now. Philosophically, I am a Voluntarist, along with Thomas Jefferson (before such a label existed) but I am not an An-Cap because I recognize the decrepit frailty of human nature in the era of sin. If the US Constitution is only fit for a moral people, then a stateless society must be super-moral to remain at peace.

Politically, I am a strict Constitutionalist. As I see it, once we get the government to abide by the Constitution, then we can go about working out maximizing liberty and prosperity, dialing it down over 1000 years less and less government and approaching the perfection of human liberty. Logically, I do not believe the world (and the people thereof) will themselves be fit for a stateless society until Kingdom come. I actually believe that one of the points of the Millennium will be to draw back human governance world wide back to the time of the Judges. IE 'a stateless society.' So sure, this is an ultimate goal, but I'm looking at 500 years from now for the first Solar Continent to declare individuals alone as sovereign.

My belief is that the best way to prepare for the government drawdown on Kingdom come, is to push the US Government back into the Constitution, flawed or not it's a lot better than what we've got, and once we establish the precedent for government obedience, we can work on the Constitution itself to maximize human liberty.

Will we ever be ready, as a people, for total liberty (a stateless society?) sure! probably half way into the Reign of Christ. This side of the Return, my goals are a little more humble.

The form of government that provides the most of what I believe should be correct is something I will work for. In this way I am a Constitutionalist.

[TheTexan]

America is at its best, now. Never before have there been so much quality TV and movies. The Transformers, anyone? Those movies weren't possible even 10 years ago.

And the internet? Never before have pictures of bare-breasted celebrities been in such great supply. This country rocks

[phill4paul]

This country rocks

Not yet. So close though that I can smell it. Freedom as it was intended is making a comeback! WE, and that is capitalized U.S. of frikken A., the people are gonna make this happen. Law and Order. We are about to rock..............and for those about to rock...

[John F Kennedy III]

Not yet. So close though that I can smell it. Freedom as it was intended is making a comeback! WE, and that is capitalized U.S. of frikken A., the people are gonna make this happen. Law and Order. We are about to rock..............and for those about to rock...

AC/DC just finished their new album. With Angus's son Stevie in place of Malcolm, who has some undisclosed illness and almost died. Actually he might still be in the hospital.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ac-dc-share-new-album-details-malcolm-young-health-update-20140709

[Danke]

America is at its best, now. Never before have there been so much quality TV and movies. The Transformers, anyone? Those movies weren't possible even 10 years ago.

And the internet? Never before have pictures of bare-breasted celebrities been in such great supply. This country rocks

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[phill4paul]

AC/DC just finished their new album. With Angus's son Stevie in place of Malcolm, who has some undisclosed illness and almost died. Actually he might still be in the hospital.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...pdate-20140709

Good to here. I made an R.I.P. thread about AC/DC but can't seem to searchfu it. If you find it please add in this info! +rep.

[Original_Intent]

After the next revolution.

[Jamesiv1]

Best for whom?

Right?

[TheCount]

This country was at its best during a time before I was alive, a time which really was not that great but has since been romanticized to the point that it bears no resemblance to the way that it actually was.


Also, that time was before the advent of widespread video recording, so that nobody has proof of what things were actually like, and therefore nobody can contradict my romantic notions.