Russian Troops invade Ukraine

[DevilsAdvocate]

I'll admit my heart skipped a beat when I saw this on Drudge. I really hope this doesn't blow up. I don't want to get drafted for this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...0e4_story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/wo...-conflict.html

[William Tell]

This is very bad.

[pcosmar]

I'll admit my heart skipped a beat when I saw this on Drudge. I really hope this doesn't blow up. I don't want to get drafted for this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...0e4_story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/wo...-conflict.html

I call bull$#@!. Though I think Russia is the best hope for the people of East Ukraine under assault from Kiev.

They were reporting the Aid Convoy as an invasion,, and even claimed tanks were involved.. (they were not)
Russia is the only force in the area that could put an end to the atrocities,, but so far have refused to be baited into it.

[Acala]

Don't worry. The USA isn't going to take on any industrial power directly. The MIC likes proxy wars. Lots of money and not so many body bags.

[thoughtomator]

Keep in mind that this is coming from the Fascist/coup government of Ukraine, and they have an extensive track record of false claims.

[pcosmar]

Keep in mind that this is coming from the Fascist/coup government of Ukraine, and they have an extensive track record of false claims.

That's why I call bull$#@!.

[klamath]

They have been there from the beginning. Putin's lies can't be covered up anymore. Tank columns don't JUST appear in a months old war zone having never been in seen in the action before.

[DevilsAdvocate]

The thing that really bothers me is the way all of the headlines I've been reading recently have been seeming to point towards Russia.

US and Russia flying into each others airspace. Russian hackers attack US banks. US sanctions against Russia, and now this.

Either the Russians are making a lot of shifty moves for some dark purpose or the MSM is painting a target on them for their own dark purpose. We all know that relations between the US and Russia are worsening, and it really worries me considering that we are the only two nations capable of ending the world.

[pcosmar]

They have been there from the beginning. Putin's lies can't be covered up anymore. Tank columns don't JUST appear in a months old war zone having never been in seen in the action before.

What tank columns?

Do you mean the truck convoy of Humanitarian aid that was held up for weeks,, and then called an "invasion" when they finally delivered it.

I have seen NO Evidence of Russian Tank Columns. Though I have heard that claim several times.
The Ukraine Army is not in smoking ruin.(and it would be if such was true)

[thoughtomator]

They have been there from the beginning. Putin's lies can't be covered up anymore. Tank columns don't JUST appear in a months old war zone having never been in seen in the action before.

Dramatic claims like Ukraine has been making require evidence, and they produce none. Meanwhile, the only copy of the ATC tapes from the MH17 incident - which they squarely blame on Russia - lie in the hands of the Ukraine security apparatus, blackholed from the world.

[green73]

Keep in mind that this is coming from the Fascist/coup government of Ukraine, and they have an extensive track record of false claims.

Yup. And $#@!head Drudge is the biggest fearmonger on the internet.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Don't forget a mass amount of Ukrainian amour was confiscated by the eastern Oblasts in the beginning... also from the huge defections from the Ukrainian army. They set a trap, drew them in, and it worked, makes NATO experts look like a bunch of buffoons. Very impressed by the tactical planning operations, now the Junta ZioNazi forces are entrapped, Whammo... oh the irony of Stalingrad.

The circus continues... Even WWE is playing the Good Cop US - Evil Cop Russia meme

[Pericles]

And the Russian soldiers helping out the rebels while on leave, that was a good one

[pcosmar]

And the Russian soldiers helping out the rebels while on leave, that was a good one

I doubt they take tanks with them on vacation.

[pcosmar]

OK,, Finally found one story (Reuters) with a Photo.



Except the column is on a train,, and inside Russia.

OMG there are Russian Tanks in Russia.

[Ender]

OK,, Finally found one story (Reuters) with a Photo.



Except the column is on a train,, and inside Russia.

OMG there are Russian Tanks in Russia.

Whodda Thunk?

[klamath]

And the Russian soldiers helping out the rebels while on leave, that was a good one

Or highly trained Russian paratroopers stumbling across a hot border... How stupid do they think we are....but then again judging by some posts...

[pcosmar]

Whodda Thunk?

I know,, huh?

I have seen a few,, some video of Tanks and other hardware.. on the Russian side of the border.

When the Aid convoy was being held up for two weeks at the border,, there was a bunch.

With the Nazi takeover of their neighbor,, and threats from the very beginning,, I do not blame them for beefing up border security.

Just as I can't blame Ukrainians of Russian ancestry for being concerned about the threats from the Nazis in Kiev.

[Brian4Liberty]

The thing that really bothers me is the way all of the headlines I've been reading recently have been seeming to point towards Russia.

US and Russia flying into each others airspace. Russian hackers attack US banks. US sanctions against Russia, and now this.

Either the Russians are making a lot of shifty moves for some dark purpose or the MSM is painting a target on them for their own dark purpose. We all know that relations between the US and Russia are worsening, and it really worries me considering that we are the only two nations capable of ending the world.

Both the neoconservatives and the neoliberal interventionists have an ax to grind with Russia. They are former communists (Leninists, Trotskyites) that have had a disagreement with Russia since after Stalin took full control and ruined their communist paradise. Old grudges from old Europe.

[ClydeCoulter]

"I'll have a little more leeway after the election"

[Brian4Liberty]

They have been there from the beginning. Putin's lies can't be covered up anymore. Tank columns don't JUST appear in a months old war zone having never been in seen in the action before.

Stepping back from the current war frenzy, let's look at the bigger picture.

There are areas in eastern Ukraine that were relatively recently part of Russia. All of Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, it may have made sense for those Russian speaking and Russian ethnic areas to go back to being part of Russia. It seems that they want to do that now.

They want to be independent or part of Russia. Why should I care whether they are independent, part of Ukraine or part of Russia? Why should the US care? Why should anyone care? Why is that an emergency? Why should bombs be dropping causing death and destruction? Why?

[klamath]

Stepping back from the current war frenzy, let's look at the bigger picture.

There are areas in eastern Ukraine that were relatively recently part of Russia. All of Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, it may have made sense for those Russian speaking and Russian ethnic areas to go back to being part of Russia. It seems that they want to do that now.

They want to be independent or part of Russia. Why should I care whether they are independent, part of Ukraine or part of Russia? Why should the US care? Why should anyone care? Why is that an emergency? Why should bombs be dropping causing death and destruction? Why?

That might be a good question to ask the person that has an ongoing, months long thread about the atrocities of the Ukrainians? Do ask him this question as well? Why should "ANYBODY CARE?"

[Brian4Liberty]

That might be a good question to ask the person that has an ongoing, months long thread about the atrocities of the Ukrainians? Do ask him this question as well? Why should "ANYBODY CARE?"

Can't speak for that person.

Most people do care about death and destruction. That's why there is so much charity after disasters. But when there is civil war, it's more a question of policing the world. It's perfectly acceptable to care, yet not want to play global Police, get involved, and probably make matters worse.

But I don't care at all if some city is on one side of a border or the other. I would prefer that they find a civilized, reasonable and rational solution to any disagreements.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Kiev 'cries wolf' so often that I've stopped paying much attention. Maybe that's Russia's strategy: Get Ukraine to squeal about an invasion every other day until the world becomes bored with it, then actually do something.

[sparebulb]

It is probably always best to rely on reputable main-stream media outlets to gain understanding of world geopolitical events. They usually get it right, regardless of what you hear on unverified "news" outlets. Just have a little faith in the system.


UPDATE: BREAKING NEWS:





New photos show Russian armored column and troops entering Ukraine.

[RonPaulIsGreat]

Dudes sorry to interrupt the discussion of possible trivial war, but I think everyone should know, Joan Rivers has been transported to the hospital. More details forthcoming.

A moment of silence for the great american icon......

[klamath]

Can't speak for that person.

Most people do care about death and destruction. That's why there is so much charity after disasters. But when there is civil war, it's more a question of policing the world. It's perfectly acceptable to care, yet not want to play global Police, get involved, and probably make matters worse.

But I don't care at all if some city is on one side of a border or the other. I would prefer that they find a civilized, reasonable and rational solution to any disagreements.

I don't believe I said anywhere we should police it. My point has always been that until people are willing to look at all sides this $#@! will continue to happen. Putin is believed without question in this around here and as far as I am concerned he has his hand in the destabilization just as much as the west.

[pcosmar]

Why should "ANYBODY CARE?"

Because American Tax dollars put The Nazis in power in Kiev.

so anyone that pays taxes,, has a concern. And because the USgov is deliberately provoking a Nuclear Power.
Which is also a concern for many.

[sparebulb]

Because American Tax dollars put The Nazis in power in Kiev.

so anyone that pays taxes,, has a concern. And because the USgov is deliberately provoking a Nuclear Power.
Which is also a concern for many.

But Dianne Sawyer, Anderson Cooper AC/DC, Rush Limpbag and Hannity have all told me that V.V. Putin is a bloodthirsty dictator, a thug, and has deprived the rights of homosexuals and imprisoned freedom fighters like Pussy Riot. We cannot stand for this kind of dangerous provocative behavior that threatens the freedom of the Western world.

[pcosmar]

New photos show Russian armored column and troops entering Ukraine.

Isn't that Ferguson?