Finally- the complete version of "Spanish Ladies" from TURN Episode 3 sung by Sarah Blasko

[Peace Piper]

This woman's voice can make grown men cry like babies.








AMC made a big mistake by not releasing this song after the show. Lots of people were searching for this - after the 2 verses included at the very end of the episode- and there wasn't a single complete version to be found. I know because I spent hours trying to find it. The above comes from a European music site called "Deezer".

Looks like we get TURN Season 2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_(TV_series)

The first season of TURN: Washington's Spies was awarded the 2014 Media & Entertainment Award by the Daughters of the American Revolution.

[phill4paul]

My friend that I am working for is an "Ager/Dyer" and seamstress. She is leaving next week to go work on "Turn." We are in N.C. and the dip$#@! Republicans decided to cut film subsidies. 9 of 11 films scheduled to shoot in N.C. took their business elsewhere. Over the next 6 months she will make money, spend it and give taxes to Virginia while on this shoot. F*ck Pat McCrory. Republican dipshits.

[mad cow]

My friend that I am working for is an "Ager/Dyer" and seamstress. She is leaving next week to go work on "Turn." We are in N.C. and the dip$#@! Republicans decided to cut film subsidies. 9 of 11 films scheduled to shoot in N.C. took their business elsewhere. Over the next 6 months she will make money, spend it and give taxes to Virginia while on this shoot. F*ck Pat McCrory. Republican dipshits.

State film subsidies are a crony-capitalist boondoggle.Kudos on the N.C. legislature and take pity on us Virginia taxpayers.

The only two studies that have revealed positive results for such film incentive programs were both conducted by Ernst and Young on behalf of the New York and New Mexico film offices. All others have shown consistent negative returns. (If you exclude those two Ernst and Young studies that were done for the film offices, the average revenue gained across those other programs is just 16 cents for every dollar of subsidy granted to the film industry. Stated differently, that’s an 84% net loss for these programs. Truly astonishing numbers.)

Recently, some states have begun abandoning or limiting film incentive programs or at least taking a hard look at their effectiveness. Iowa, for example, suspended its film program in 2009 after an investigation revealed a scandal involving much waste and abuse. Ten criminal cases were brought and seven people were eventually convicted. Michigan Governor Rick Snyder has also started reining in its film program as evidence has mounted that it has failed to create local jobs and has cost the state a great deal of tax revenue. Check out yesterday’s excellent New York Times article by Louise Story for all the gory details.

In sum, film tax credit cronyism puts taxpayers at risk without any corresponding benefits to them or the state. Glamor-seeking and state pride seem to be the primary motivational factors driving state legislators to engage in such economically illogical behavior. It’s like “smokestack-chasing” for the Information Age, except in this case you don’t even have a factory left in town after your economic development efforts go bust. This cronyist activity benefits no one other than film studios. States should end their film incentive programs immediately.

http://techliberation.com/2012/12/05...onyism-fiasco/

[phill4paul]

State film subsidies are a crony-capitalist boondoggle.Kudos on the N.C. legislature and take pity on us Virginia taxpayers.

http://techliberation.com/2012/12/05...onyism-fiasco/

Stated differently, that’s an 84% net loss for these programs.

Bull$#@!. The state government is not giving them money. What it is doing is not taxing them as much. No tax break equals 100% net loss of any revenue.
9 out of 11 film productions backed out of shooting in N.C. That is a net loss of revenue. The T.V. series "Banshee" just pulled up stakes and will give Louisiana the taxes and revenue generation within the state market to them. N.C. will not get a single dime in revenue. Not one. 4,000 people reside in N.C. that work in the film industry. Every single one is pulling up stakes. Mostly to Georgia. Georgia will get that personal income, sales tax, property revenue. Not N.C. That's a 100% net loss for N.C.

Reducing taxes to increase employment is never wrong. You call it "crony-capitalism." In many cases it is. But the bottom line is that reducing taxes and creating or maintaining an employable industry should be heralded.

Did this study take into account all the hotel taxes, fuel taxes, restaurant sales tax, food and merchandise sales tax, personal income tax of state citizens involved in the industry along with their property taxes? I'm gonna doubt it. Willing to be proved wrong if they went that deep and weren't partisan in some way.

[mad cow]

But has North Carolina’s film tax incentive really benefited our economy?

Proponents of the film production tax credit spin this tax loophole as a program to create jobs. Any economic study worth its salt will analyze the effect of the program itself, then analyze the opportunity cost for the same amount of money in a different area. Fortunately, that is exactly what the nonpartisan Fiscal Research Division at the N.C. General Assembly did.

Last year, the Fiscal Research Division analyzed the economic impact of North Carolina’s film production tax credit program for 2011. The analysis concluded that the state awarded $30.3 million in film tax credits during that year, which resulted in 55 to 70 jobs and generated approximately $2 million in personal income.

The analysis concluded that an “across-the-board tax reduction of $30.3 million would have yielded between 370 and 450 new jobs and $14 million in personal income.”

It does not take a degree in economics to determine which of these scenarios creates a better economic outcome for North Carolina.

Decker has fallen for the myth that special interest tax credits and incentives – tax changes designed to steer benefits to a specific industry – are the best way to create jobs. Although targeting benefits in this way often seems like a good idea, such tax credits only lower taxes for a select few and cause distortions in the tax code. By reducing the tax burden of a single targeted industry or company, the marginal tax rate for everybody else increases if overall government spending is not also reduced by the amount of the credit. In other words, tax credits are corporate welfare. All taxpayers bear the cost, but only a handful of special interests and favored industries benefit.

http://www.ncspin.com/2014/03/22/fil...winner-for-nc/

I am sure that if your friend worked for a solar panel maker that lost its Government tax breaks and/or subsidies and folded,she would be just as upset.
I assume,but don't know,that the Panthers were enticed to locate in Charlotte by some sort of tax breaks or stadium construction monies.When that stadium needs to be replaced,I'm sure they will hold Charlotte and N.C. taxpayers ransom for some or all of the cost by threatening to move somewhere else willing to pay a higher ransom.
Please don't let that be Tidewater Va.

[phill4paul]

http://www.ncspin.com/2014/03/22/fil...winner-for-nc/

I am sure that if your friend worked for a solar panel maker that lost its Government tax breaks and/or subsidies and folded,she would be just as upset.
I assume,but don't know,that the Panthers were enticed to locate in Charlotte by some sort of tax breaks or stadium construction monies.When that stadium needs to be replaced,I'm sure they will hold Charlotte and N.C. taxpayers ransom for some or all of the cost by threatening to move somewhere else willing to pay a higher ransom.
Please don't let that be Tidewater Va.

Like the other study this study does not factor taxes, and therefore revenue generation, as a whole. Not only that it is bunk. There are over 4k people in N.C. that hold membership in film making unions. N.C. at one time was the third state for expenditures within the film industry. Gov. James Hunt actually went out of state to actively promote the industry. N.C. is a beautiful state. From the coast to the Piedmont to the mountains. But, it is not so unique that business will not be taken elsewhere.

Neither of these studies you link take into totality the revenue generation from a motion picture or a T.V. series. The hotel tax, fuel tax, income tax, property tax etc. which is payed by employment through the film trade and putting a production within a N.C. community. Those local individuals that work as carpenters, assistants, extras. No, it is not long term employment. But, it may just allow those individuals to pay their property tax, fuel tax, sales tax. Instead of just going on the welfare roles. It's all these extensions which leads me to claim that these studies are bull$#@!. The government taxes us down to the lowest denominator these studies need to take them there also.

[phill4paul]

Here's a partisan piece, this time from the other side.

The Economic and Tourism Committee chair in the Georgia House says it would be just peachy if North Carolina does away with its film incentive.

Seven years ago, Stephens said, the filming industry was generating about a $200 million economic impact in the state. Last fiscal year, the state topped the $3 billion mark, he said. That's billion with a “B,” he said, to drive the point home.

“Georgia is really realizing the benefits of a constant, stable policy designed to facilitate the development of significant infrastructure creating huge investments and creating thousands of jobs in television and motion picture production,” he said.

Comparing incentives
Georgia's incentive at a glance:

> 30 percent transferrable tax credit (plus 10 percent for embedding the Georgia peach)

> $500,000 minimum spend on qualified expenditures

> All resident and non-resident labor qualify; no caps

> No sunset clause

North Carolina's incentive at a glance:

> 25 percent refundable tax credit

> $250,000 minimum spend on qualified expenditures

> First $1 million of each resident and non-resident labor qualifies

> Sunset clause (ends Jan. 1, 2015)

You make up on the back end what you don't take on the fore end. And N.C.legislators are too stupid to realize this.

[mad cow]

Well,this news should delight you...at least for the next six years.

It's all part of the deal that has Charlotte taxpayers kicking in $87 million in exchange for keeping the team in Charlotte guaranteed for six more years.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/loca...2-weeks/ncfGB/

And NFL jobs are very high-paying,from linebackers to quarterbacks to team-owners.
Think of the money they will bring to N.C!
They deserved the tax-break!
You will make up on the back end what you don't take on the fore end!

[phill4paul]

Well,this news should delight you...at least for the next six years.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/loca...2-weeks/ncfGB/

And NFL jobs are very high-paying,from linebackers to quarterbacks to team-owners.
Think of the money they will bring to N.C!
They deserved the tax-break!
You will make up on the back end what you don't take on the fore end!

More of nothing. What is meant by "taxpayers kicking in $87 million." You seem to like it make it sound that $87 million of taxpayers money is going directly from their wallet to the NFL. Is that what is indeed happening? Or is the $87 million a tax reduction? $87 seven million subtracted from how much that will be gained? You don't make that clear.
You seem to be running on emotion as opposed to understanding. I get it. I don't like the government taxing. Anybody. Especially job creators.