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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by TaftFan View Post
    . . . We need to find out who paid him so they aren't working for Rand in 2016.
    great idea . . .
    even make it into a watergate-type scandal jus' to keep the Woodward and Bernstein types busy during WW III -
    which will be well underway by the January 2017 inauguration of the 45th President of these United States

    oh, and welcome to twentynine palms . . .
    enjoy your brief stay here before your boots are trampling in the arid Levant soil and sand to fight ISIL

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  3. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by jjdoyle View Post
    Anybody else sending fundraising emails telling supporters there was a delegate strategy. It was a lie. Simply to drag supporters along, to continue to milk them for money.
    Sending emails stating, "Every single dollar will go toward winning this race, putting Ron Paul in the White House, and taking our country back." was a lie.
    Ron Paul 2012 agreed as far back as February 2012 to not attack Mitt Romney due to a threat from Romney's campaign, and Ron Paul 2012 didn't let supporters know about that decision (though it was obvious to some of us during the campaign) until Doug Wead was interviewed about it at the RNC.
    sounds like a strategy disagreement, not a lie.
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  4. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    Lying about what? Who was lying? Sorenson is the one who lied and caused the false FEC report to be written. And Ron Paul 2012 denying a bribe is true because it is not a bribe to hire a state senator for your campaign.
    Ron Paul said in a Fox News interview Sorenson wasn't paid. He was. The campaign published on their letterhead a statement from a Bachmann employee that Sorenson wasn't paid and wasn't motivated by financial incentive. This was a lie and he was. Lies lies lies.

  5. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    Another weird thing is that Bachmann knew about it right away, Sorenson told her it appears. This is inexplicable.
    Sorenson is an idiot, no doubt. He told her he got a better offer, it seems.

  6. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by kylejack View Post
    Ron Paul said in a Fox News interview Sorenson wasn't paid. He was. The campaign published on their letterhead a statement from a Bachmann employee that Sorenson wasn't paid and wasn't motivated by financial incentive. This was a lie and he was. Lies lies lies.
    He said he wasn't paid or he said he wasn't bribed?
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  7. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by kylejack View Post
    Sorenson is an idiot, no doubt. He told her he got a better offer, it seems.
    Sorenson = IDIOT.
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  8. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    He said he wasn't paid or he said he wasn't bribed?
    "She alleges that he said that your campaign was paying him to jump ship. Simple question, did your campaign, or anyone connected to your campaign, or anyone speaking on behalf of it, or any third party vendor, did any of them offer money to Kent Sorenson to come on board your campaign?"

    Ron: "No, and if she has the evidence she should bring it forth, because if she makes charges like that she should be able to defend it, but no, that did not happen."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH3Dd4CfJLg#t=8m43s

  9. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by kylejack View Post
    "She alleges that he said that your campaign was paying him to jump ship. Simple question, did your campaign, or anyone connected to your campaign, or anyone speaking on behalf of it, or any third party vendor, did any of them offer money to Kent Sorenson to come on board your campaign?"

    Ron: "No, and if she has the evidence she should bring it forth, because if she makes charges like that she should be able to defend it, but no, that did not happen."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH3Dd4CfJLg#t=8m43s
    OK, so that means Ron did not have the evidence then. There was a plant deep inside the campaign attempting to sabotage it.
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  11. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    OK, so that means Ron did not have the evidence then. There was a plant deep inside the campaign attempting to sabotage it.
    Considering they were able to send Sorenson $80K, probably someone pretty high.

  12. #130
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    sounds like a strategy disagreement, not a lie.
    No. You can't claim there is a delegate strategy, and that you need funds to run ads in California and Texas, and then never do so.
    You can't claim there is some magic delegate strategy, and then have a defense of an endorsement of Mitt Romney on your campaign site, BEFORE the convention.

    Ron Paul 2012 agreed in February 2012, before Michigan, to not attack Mitt Romney. In February 2012, Ron Paul 2012 should have closed shop. Like many campaigns before it. The dishonest, lying, corrupt campaign, kept dragging supporters along though, not just wasting their money, but also their time.

  13. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by kylejack View Post
    Considering they were able to send Sorenson $80K, probably someone pretty high.
    No, the money was laundered to hide it from the higher ups. It was broken into small pieces.
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  14. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    No, the money was laundered to hide it from the higher ups. It was broken into small pieces.
    The alternative theory is that the money was laundered to hide it from the FEC.

  15. #133
    That extra million dollars sitting in the campaign today could have won Iowa or New Hampshire.

  16. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by jjdoyle View Post
    No. You can't claim there is a delegate strategy, and that you need funds to run ads in California and Texas, and then never do so.
    You can't claim there is some magic delegate strategy, and then have a defense of an endorsement of Mitt Romney on your campaign site, BEFORE the convention.

    Ron Paul 2012 agreed in February 2012, before Michigan, to not attack Mitt Romney. In February 2012, Ron Paul 2012 should have closed shop. Like many campaigns before it. The dishonest, lying, corrupt campaign, kept dragging supporters along though, not just wasting their money, but also their time.
    As some have postulated, the Paul Inc. decision to use Ron Paul's candidacies to build a broad, longer-term base for Rand's eventual campaign may have been made as early as 2007 (or certainly, by post-2008). The whole bait and switch of post February 2012, where donations were still asked for the CAMPAIGN, was done to actually build up the infrastructure for the Paul Inc. machine for the years after. This in turn is similar to the mid 2008 scenario where funds were still raised or not spent for the CAMPAIGN, then converted into the early kiddy for Campaign for Liberty.

    I don't mind the Paul team created CFL per se, or wanted to build the Paul machine long term. What stinks is the bait and switch---supporters should have been cleanly told in February 2008 that the campaign was really OVER, and then given a choice about having their campaign donations converted into launching CFL. Supporters should have been cleanly told in February 2012 that the campaign was really OVER, and then given a choice about having their campaign donations converted into launching Rand's run in 2015-2016. Diverting what was intended to be funds for a current campaign into early money for future endeavors discredits the Paul team, who apparently did not trust their own movement enough to level with them upfront about what they wanted to use the funds for.
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  17. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by kylejack View Post
    The alternative theory is that the money was laundered to hide it from the FEC.
    That's true, too, but Sorenson already plead guilty to that.
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  18. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    That's true, too, but Sorenson already plead guilty to that.
    The thing about criminal conspiracies is that they involve more than one criminal.
    Last edited by kylejack; 09-01-2014 at 06:59 PM.



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  20. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by kylejack View Post
    The thing about criminal conspiracies is that they involve more than one criminal.
    Sorenson has not plead to any conspiracy.
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  21. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    Sorenson has not plead to any conspiracy.
    He pleaded down in return for immunity on other charges. It will be interesting to see what's in the sealed documents.

  22. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by kylejack View Post
    He pleaded down in return for immunity on other charges. It will be interesting to see what's in the sealed documents.
    The problem with that is that good snitches roll over BEFORE they are charged. By pleading guilty it makes Sorenson worthless witness. The fact that he lied to investigators means he is an unwilling snitch and has already made statements beneficial to Benton.
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  23. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    The problem with that is that good snitches roll over BEFORE they are charged. By pleading guilty it makes Sorenson worthless witness. The fact that he lied to investigators means he is an unwilling snitch and has already made statements beneficial to Benton.
    I'm not saying he's smart, but he may be in possession of evidence.

  24. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    As some have postulated, the Paul Inc. decision to use Ron Paul's candidacies to build a broad, longer-term base for Rand's eventual campaign may have been made as early as 2007 (or certainly, by post-2008). The whole bait and switch of post February 2012, where donations were still asked for the CAMPAIGN, was done to actually build up the infrastructure for the Paul Inc. machine for the years after. This in turn is similar to the mid 2008 scenario where funds were still raised or not spent for the CAMPAIGN, then converted into the early kiddy for Campaign for Liberty.

    I don't mind the Paul team created CFL per se, or wanted to build the Paul machine long term. What stinks is the bait and switch---supporters should have been cleanly told in February 2008 that the campaign was really OVER, and then given a choice about having their campaign donations converted into launching CFL. Supporters should have been cleanly told in February 2012 that the campaign was really OVER, and then given a choice about having their campaign donations converted into launching Rand's run in 2015-2016. Diverting what was intended to be funds for a current campaign into early money for future endeavors discredits the Paul team, who apparently did not trust their own movement enough to level with them upfront about what they wanted to use the funds for.




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  25. #142
    ''let it not be said we did nothing'''

    we tried..

    we failed...

    we learned..

    we're still here..

    the brush fires are still burning...

    move on...keep fighting...we have to..

    that is all..

  26. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    ''let it not be said we did nothing'''

    we tried..

    we failed...

    we learned..

    we're still here..

    the brush fires are still burning...

    move on...keep fighting...we have to..

    that is all..
    "The time has come to act.
    May future generations look back on our work
    and say that these were men and women who,
    in a moment of great crisis, stood up
    to the politicians, the opinion-molders,
    and the establishment, and saved their country."

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

  27. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by kylejack View Post
    I'm not saying he's smart, but he may be in possession of evidence.
    evidence of what! What evidence?
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  29. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    evidence of what! What evidence?
    Evidence that Jesse Benton was aware of the bribe.

    What we know: Jesse had expressed his interest in recruiting Sorenson as a supporter. The intermediary had contacted the campaign with Sorenson's demands for money. Kesari (and possibly others) came through with the money.

    So the questions are: What did Jesse know and when did he know it? What did the campaign treasurer know and when did she know it?

    The answers to those questions may be in the sealed documents.

  30. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by kylejack View Post
    Evidence that Jesse Benton was aware of the bribe.

    What we know: Jesse had expressed his interest in recruiting Sorenson as a supporter. The intermediary had contacted the campaign with Sorenson's demands for money. Kesari (and possibly others) came through with the money.

    So the questions are: What did Jesse know and when did he know it? What did the campaign treasurer know and when did she know it?

    The answers to those questions may be in the sealed documents.
    There was no bribe. It is not illegal for the Ron Paul campaign to hire someone for campaign services.
    Knowledge is Liberty!


  31. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    There was no bribe. It is not illegal for the Ron Paul campaign to hire someone for campaign services.
    As several articles have stated, the payment was illegal under Iowa law at the very least. Then there are the intricacies of the fact that it was laundered to make the payoff to consider.

    I predict that you are going to have to eat crow before me.

  32. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by kylejack View Post
    As several articles have stated, the payment was illegal under Iowa law at the very least. Then there are the intricacies of the fact that it was laundered to make the payoff to consider.

    I predict that you are going to have to eat crow before me.
    You are relying upon off-hand comments by young liberal journalists who have been duped by the calculations of devious federal prosecutors. There is no bribery here, otherwise the Bachmann campaign would have been charged with bribery.
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  33. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    You are relying upon off-hand comments by young liberal journalists who have been duped by the calculations of devious federal prosecutors. There is no bribery here, otherwise the Bachmann campaign would have been charged with bribery.
    Who says they won't? A former employee of the Bachmann campaign has filed an FEC complaint against the Bachmann campaign for this very reason. FEC is investigating.

  34. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    As some have postulated, the Paul Inc. decision to use Ron Paul's candidacies to build a broad, longer-term base for Rand's eventual campaign may have been made as early as 2007 (or certainly, by post-2008). The whole bait and switch of post February 2012, where donations were still asked for the CAMPAIGN, was done to actually build up the infrastructure for the Paul Inc. machine for the years after. This in turn is similar to the mid 2008 scenario where funds were still raised or not spent for the CAMPAIGN, then converted into the early kiddy for Campaign for Liberty.

    I don't mind the Paul team created CFL per se, or wanted to build the Paul machine long term. What stinks is the bait and switch---supporters should have been cleanly told in February 2008 that the campaign was really OVER, and then given a choice about having their campaign donations converted into launching CFL. Supporters should have been cleanly told in February 2012 that the campaign was really OVER, and then given a choice about having their campaign donations converted into launching Rand's run in 2015-2016. Diverting what was intended to be funds for a current campaign into early money for future endeavors discredits the Paul team, who apparently did not trust their own movement enough to level with them upfront about what they wanted to use the funds for.

    That's pretty much the way a lot of us felt about it at the time. Especially too after learning what some of the salaries being paid amounted to. There were a lot of grass roots people donating money they really couldn't even afford to donate.

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