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"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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Well now, my favorite"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
-- Animal Farm: Chapter X
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Thomas Jefferson June 1826
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It absolutely does NOT mean "both ways". Next you'll try to say free trade means "both ways" (reciprocal/balanced trade - which is anti-free trade). Both open border policy and free trade are UNILATERAL decisions by a state to NOT aggress against the rights (to movement and property, respectively) of human beings they are in a position to aggress against. Natural rights, or individual autonomy if you prefer, have nothing to do with reciprocation or citizenship or location. Where you got this notion from is beyond me...because it isn't present in the writings of any libertarian philosopher or economist I've ever read. It's Lou Dobbsian.
I just wish you guys could face the fact you don't believe in libertarian principles or free markets on this issue. Stop trying to redefine the principles and free markets to fit your argument.
How does "open borders" logically imply no borders? Do you realize the word BORDERS in "open borders" implies there are borders? Of course you don't. And the tired old "global government" argument against immigration therefore falls completely apart. BTW, you can have no borders in two ways; one world govt, or a stateless world (neither of which can co-exist with open borders, as open borders still need borders to exist). The argument no borders leads to global government is a statist assumption. The argument that open borders leads to no borders is just illogical. This was a non-argument therefore. But thanks for the nonsense ad hominem/guilt by association.
I wonder, do you think the Founders and their follow-up acts were for global government when they didn't put in any immigration restrictions until the Page Act of 1875? Oops, there goes your little non-argument.
Chronological history of immigration laws in the United States:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...on_legislation
The Page Act of 1875:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_Act_of_1875
And every restriction was based on some BS, usually racist or protectionist (and thereby collectivist and anti-free market), excuse. Have a good long read over the history.
"Bought and Paid For" by Charles Gasparino covers the purchase of Obama by Goldman Sachs. Gasparino left CNBC for Fox Business shortly after publication.
I think the most important thing Orwell ever wrote was "the greatest lie is the lie of omission" along with his observation that "he who controls the past controls the future". The history departments are pretty much one big lie of omission; and you can just watch C-Span2 BookTV on a typical weekend to confirm this. So much great scholarship systematically ignored! Exhibit A has got to the the voluminous work since the late 90s on just how bad Soviet espionage truly was, yet this has yet to be reflected in the garbage that is slung at the students in the history texts. They have such an emotional investment in "Red Scare" and "McCarthyism" that they cannot let a word in edgewise; it's been this way for a long time (my 1960s 8th grade book illustrated McCarthy with a HerbBlock cartoon with a guy climbing the arm of the Statue of Liberty with a bucket of water yelling "fire!".
Disturbingly it appears that C-Span itself has been compromised, as the most stunning expose of recent years has yet to gain exposure there. I reference the book "America's Nazi Secret" by John Loftus. If you think you're informed because you know what Operation Paperclip was...well that was barely the tip of the iceberg. Loftus even explains where Lyme disease came from, it wasn't from nature. Oh well, at least they let Roger Stone present his case against LBJ.
Loftus presents the case that the upper crust, investment banker class was infested with war criminals who were not only happy to do business with the Nazis before the war, they protected some of the worst of the worst after the war (the Dullles brothers simply went behind Truman and Eisenhower whenever they felt like it). In combo with Antony Sutton's voluminous scholarship on how some of these same people helped build up Stalin and kept right on doing business with the Soviets after the war, you can see we've been on the last page of Animal Farm for some time!
Nice of you to mention that! Another great example of the Animal Farm dining table...
My blog review of the book:
Related thread:The Creature from Johnny's Half Shell
by Brian4Liberty, 05-11-2011
A review of a book by Charles Gasparino:
Bought and Paid For: The Unholy Alliance Between Barack Obama and Wall Street
http://www.amazon.com/Bought-Paid-Un.../dp/1595230718
The Creature from Johnny's Half Shell
Johnny's Half Shell is a popular gourmet restaurant located in Washington, DC. In June 2007, representatives of the Financial elite from New York were called to gather there for a secret meeting. It was a small affair, held in a private room over an expensive dinner, with an exclusive guest list. The purpose of the meeting: an employment interview. Present at the meeting were top executives Dick Fuld (Lehman Brothers), Greg Flemming (Merrill Lynch), Larry Fink (BlackRock), Paul Volcker (Former Fed Chair), Gary Cohn (Goldman Sachs), and Warren Spector (Bear Sterns). The subject of the introduction and interview, Barack Obama, was also present. The job he was seeking: President of the United States of America.
Some might ask why would the "Wall St" people back a Democrat? Isn't big business in bed with the Republicans, and don't the Democrats look out for the little guy? Well, that's just so much false left/right propaganda. Obama has been a much greater friend to Wall St. than the Republicans, and it doesn't hurt that these high-level CEOs and Executives are all hard-core limousine liberals; put simply, they are Democrats. And it's not a surprise that their "ideology" conveniently dove-tails right into their business profits. What these Wall St. Banksters and Obama know is this: big government means big debt. They are partners. Debt is the drug, the Banksters are the pushers, and politicians are the drug addicts. Obama wants to spend money, and he doesn't care how high the fees are or how much debt accumulates. The Banksters push the debt, underwrite the debt, resell the debt, package the debt, make markets out of debt, and advise on how to hide the debt with accounting tricks. Ask Orange County about it. Or Greece. Companies such as Goldman Sachs were at the center of those spectacular collapses, driven by debt and accounting fraud.
Obama gives speeches about the "Fat Cats" and Wall St. excesses. Simultaneously, he has a party and a good laugh with those same people. The jokes on you; the taxpayer, the saver, the producer, the consumer, and the future generations of Americans saddled with debt and a worthless currency.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/entry.p...y-s-Half-Shell
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...y-s-Half-Shell
"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
Proponent of real science.
The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.
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