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  1. #31
    Well thanks for looking for the vaccine death figures anyways. I didn't expect you to find them.

    Is it strawman to want proof of the claim of a vaccine genocide when you were the one making it?



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Well thanks for looking for the vaccine death figures anyways. I didn't expect you to find them.

    Is it strawman to want proof of the claim of a vaccine genocide when you were the one making it?
    Who controls the PROOF? Who would lose by publishing proof? Who stands to gain by not having that information published? These are honest questions you need to ask yourself.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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  5. #33
    Forget about vaccines for a second. This is about second amendment rights.

    Is anyone else here from Washington? I still think we have a very good shot at winning this. From the looks of I-594 it prevents people from letting others shoot guns that aren't your own unless under specific circumstances (like at a licensed range). This along with the registry makes the initiative look very bad. They're marketing it as simply closing a loophole when it's really much more. We just need to get the word out that it's far more than that.

    With that I also hope that I-591 passes and makes all this crap irrelevant.

  6. #34
    This is a prime example of how the wealthy buy influence and become the ruling class. Do you really think people who work for the anti-gun initiative are doing it for free? How much money does it take to convince a lawmaker to change his/her vote?
    #NashvilleStrong

    “I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by tobismom View Post
    This is a prime example of how the wealthy buy influence and become the ruling class. Do you really think people who work for the anti-gun initiative are doing it for free? How much money does it take to convince a lawmaker to change his/her vote?
    This is an initiative so it's going to a statewide vote. But they've already started spending advertising dollars lying about how I-594 simply closes a small loophole in background checks. This is so far from the truth. We're going to have a registry and will be prevented from shooting guns we don't own in most cases.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by MrGoose View Post
    This is an initiative so it's going to a statewide vote. But they've already started spending advertising dollars lying about how I-594 simply closes a small loophole in background checks. This is so far from the truth. We're going to have a registry and will be prevented from shooting guns we don't own in most cases.
    Precisely. The wealthy ruling class controls the message.
    #NashvilleStrong

    “I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi

  9. #37
    For those interested- text of the bill. Underlines are additions to existing law and strike throughs are portions to be deleted from existing law.

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/bil...TIVE%20594.pdf

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    For those interested- text of the bill. Underlines are additions to existing law and strike throughs are portions to be deleted from existing law.

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/bil...TIVE%20594.pdf
    Disgusting. If this passes we'll be worse off than California... Well.... maybe equally worse off.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Well thanks for looking for the vaccine death figures anyways. I didn't expect you to find them.
    Of course you won't find them. Complications, including death, from vaccines are not directly attributed to the vaccine but rather to the health problems caused by the vaccines later in life, such as weakened immune systems.

    Simple yes or no question for you Zippy. Is Bill Gates a eugenics supporter? Yes or no?

    On the 2A topic, of course Bill wants more background checks. Less guns means less people aiming at his head when/if SHTF. Good point that he is surrounded by tons of guns strapped to his security team. He is superior to every one else, didn't ya get the memo?
    Last edited by devil21; 08-29-2014 at 10:52 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Of course you won't find them. Complications, including death, from vaccines are not directly attributed to the vaccine but rather to the health problems caused by the vaccines later in life, such as weakened immune systems.

    Simple yes or no question for you Zippy. Is Bill Gates a eugenics supporter? Yes or no?

    On the 2A topic, of course Bill wants more background checks. Less guns means less people aiming at his head when/if SHTF. Good point that he is surrounded by tons of guns strapped to his security team. He is superior to every one else, didn't ya get the memo?
    Off topic again but no- I have not seen evidence that Bill Gates supports eugenics. Is he a "hero" or "saint"? No. But he isn't evil either. I would repeat what I said earlier that Ron Paul has called the polio vaccine "a blessing". He personally saw the costs of polio- childhood friends getting paralyzed or even dying and saw the benefits which the vaccine gave in preventing this from happening. Is spreading the polio vaccine "eugenics" and evil? Is Ron Paul evil for supporting the polio vaccine?



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  14. #41
    Bill Gates loves vaccines in general, not one particular vaccine like polio. He's said so many times publicly. All evidence suggests he's a supporter of lower world population but you, like your alter-ego TheCount, are not familiar with totality of circumstance principle. Diminishing people's rights to defend themselves is most certainly a goal of those who wish to see a population reduced.

    You feel free to inject yourself with whatever substances are put into a vaccine solution if you wish Zippy. I'll keep my immune system intact tyvm.

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/bill-gate...-fewer-people/

    Software billionaire Bill Gates, who previously has advocated the reduction of the human population through the use of vaccines, and his wife Melinda marked the 100th year since the First International Eugenics Congress in London with a “family planning” summit with abortionists and the United Nations.

    The July 11 event, co-hosted by the United Kingdom Department for International Development, included organizations such as Planned Parenthood, Marie Stopes International and the U.N. Populations Fund, as well as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

    Critics pointed out the summit was held 100 years after the July 1912 eugenics conference led by Leonard Darwin, the son of Charles Darwin, and dedicated to Darwin’s half-cousin Francis Galton.

    Galton invented the term eugenics to promote the idea that strategic breeding would improve mankind.

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/bill-gate...8SfyoU4PqJt.99
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  15. #42
    WND? They still say Obama is from Kenya.

    who previously has advocated the reduction of the human population through the use of vaccines,
    Gates was advocating family planning and improved healthcare including vaccines to reduce the GROWTH RATE of populations- not to reduce the total population. The mentioned figure was over 9 billion people- compared to today's seven billion. That is not a population reduction but an increase of 28%.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-30-2014 at 07:08 PM.

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    Last edited by Origanalist; 08-31-2014 at 02:47 AM.
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  17. #44
    Revenge of the Nerd.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
    Quote Originally Posted by Dforkus View Post
    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




    Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members

  18. #45
    http://debunkingdenialism.com/2013/0...-depopulation/

    Vaccines increase living standards, which correlate with fewer children

    When people enjoy higher living standards (by vaccines, higher education, better health care infrastructure, better economy, access to reproductive services etc.), the average women tend to give birth to fewer children in their lifetime. Am article in the Economist called Fertility and living standards: Go forth and multiply a lot less explains:

    Macroeconomic research bears out this picture. Fertility starts to drop at an annual income per person of $1,000-2,000 and falls until it hits the replacement level at an income per head of $4,000-10,000 a year (see chart 2). This roughly tracks the passage from poverty to middle-income status and from an agrarian society to a modern one.

    [...]

    The link between living standards and fertility exists within countries, too. India’s poorest state, Bihar, has a fertility rate of 4; richer Tamil Nadu and Kerala have rates below 2. Shanghai has had a fertility rate of less than 1.7 since 1975; in Guizhou, China’s poorest province, the rate is 2.2. So strong is the link between wealth and fertility that the few countries where fertility is not falling are those torn apart by war, such as Congo, Liberia and Sierra Leone, where living standards have not risen.
    This is the central flaw in the conspiracy theories about Bill Gates, vaccines and depopulation: they confuse vaccines leading to a higher living standard which in turn lead to fewer children being born due to social factors with the notion of a shadowy conspiracy attempting to commit mass murder on a global scale.

    In their attempts to back up their anti-vaccine fear mongering, these conspiracy theorists make use of a classic denialist debating tactic called quote mining. It involves taking a segment of communication out of its surrounding context to distort its meaning. As we have seen, when societies increase their living standards, they tend to give birth to a lower average number of children. This makes reduces the population increase and can even make it level off. Keep this in mind when we look at the two most common quotes by Gates taken out of context.

    Bill Gates as a TED speaker

    The first comes from a TED talk delivered by Gates in 2010 called Innovating to Zero, where he discusses various ideas on how to reduce global carbon emissions to zero. He shows an equation for the global carbon emission, which states that the global carbon emission is related to the number of people on earth, the number of services used on average per person, the amount of useful energy consumed per service and the amount of carbon dioxide produced per unit useful energy. He goes on to look at ways to reduce each factor in the equation and his ultimate conclusion is that the amount of carbon dioxide per unit useful energy is going to have to come down a lot for humanity to strongly reduce carbon dioxide output.

    Here is the quote from the TED talk (04:33 to 04:50):

    First, we’ve got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent, but there we see an increase of about 1.3.
    Bill Gates is obviously not claiming that vaccines, health care and reproductive health services will somehow magically lead to the mass murder of almost a billion people. Quite the contrary, health care in general and vaccines in particular saves lives. It is also work noting that Gates is saying that world population will continue to rise despite vaccines contributing to better living standards. So vaccines will only reduce the increase in population growth, not reduce the absolute number of people.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Off topic again but no- I have not seen evidence that Bill Gates supports eugenics.
    Why is the Gates foundation investing in GM giant Monsanto?

    Independant - GM food banned in Monsanto canteen
    Crisisboom - GM foods not served in Monsanto cafeteria
    Daily Paul - GM foods not served in Monsanto cafeteria

    Trouble began when a US financial website published the foundation's annual investment portfolio, which showed it had bought 500,000 Monsanto shares worth around $23m. This was a substantial increase in the last six months and while it is just small change for Bill and Melinda, it has been enough to let loose their fiercest critics.
    Is he a "hero" or "saint"? No. But he isn't evil either. I would repeat what I said earlier that Ron Paul has called the polio vaccine "a blessing". He personally saw the costs of polio- childhood friends getting paralyzed or even dying and saw the benefits which the vaccine gave in preventing this from happening. Is spreading the polio vaccine "eugenics" and evil? Is Ron Paul evil for supporting the polio vaccine?[/QUOTE]

    Perhaps he was referring to the origins of the polio vaccine and not the Bill Gates rendition of the the polio vaccine? You know back when vaccines only contained the actual vaccine.
    The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding one’s self in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius

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  20. #47
    The Gates Foundation doesn't own any shares of Monsanto anymore. http://www.gurufocus.com/StockBuy.ph...ame=Bill+Gates

    Their remaining shares were sold way back on 12/ 31/ 2011 (see page #3 at link) but the claim is still repeated on the internet. Your article is from 2010.

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    John Vidal
    Wednesday 29 September 2010 08.27
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-01-2014 at 10:37 PM.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The Gates Foundation doesn't own any shares of Monsanto anymore. http://www.gurufocus.com/StockBuy.ph...ame=Bill+Gates

    Their remaining shares were sold way back on 12/ 31/ 2011 (see page #3 at link) but the claim is still repeated on the internet. Your article is from 2010.
    Why do you suppose Bill Gates has invested tens of his millions in the Svalbard Global Seed Vault?
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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  23. #49
    To kill people by taking their food away? (the vault is to preserve food and seed diversity- the opposite of GMOs)

    http://www.regjeringen.no/en/dep/lmd...html?id=462220

    Ensuring that the genetic diversity of the world’s food crops is preserved for future generations is an important contribution toward the reduction of hunger and poverty in developing countries. This is where the greatest plant diversity originates and where the need for food security and the further development of agriculture is most urgent.

    The Svalbard Global Seed Vault, which is established in the permafrost in the mountains of Svalbard, is designed to store duplicates of seeds from seed collections around the globe. Many of these collections are in developing countries. If seeds are lost, e.g. as a result of natural disasters, war or simply a lack of resources, the seed collections may be reestablished using seeds from Svalbard.

    The loss of biological diversity is currently one of the greatest challenges facing the environment and sustainable development. The diversity of food crops is under constant pressure. The consequence could be an irreversible loss of the opportunity to grow crops adapted to climate change, new plant diseases and the needs of an expanding population.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    To kill people by taking their food away? (the vault is to preserve food and seed diversity- the opposite of GMOs)

    http://www.regjeringen.no/en/dep/lmd...html?id=462220
    Wrong answer. So when the GMO's destroy our food supply, we will be beholden to them for our food supply.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  25. #51
    Gates does not own the seed vault. He donated money to help it run. He does not own any of the seeds. he doesn't get to decide what happens with any of them. The Norwegian government founded it. But if you like to think he wants to murder everybody.....I can't change your mind on that. Especially with the millions he has already killed with his vaccine program (still can't find any numbers of people that killed- eh? with billions in vaccines given, deaths must be in the millions yet nobody can find any- makes one wonder how effective that program really is at killing people).
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-08-2014 at 01:50 PM.

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