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    Florida Man Asks Police to Shut Down Kid's "Illegal" Lemonade Stand






    DUNEDIN — It seemed like a scene out of a Norman Rockwell painting. T.J. Guerrero served cookies and strawberry Country Time at his lemonade stand with a wave and a smile.

    The 12-year-old had tested various locations and hours of operation before settling on 3 to 7 p.m. at Patricia Avenue and San Salvador Drive. He got a neighbor's permission to pitch a homemade yellow sign in the grass and sell his fare from Tupperware on a white card table.

    "It's all about profit," said T.J., who has paired his lemonade earnings with lawn-mowing cash for an iPod, snacks, his cellphone bill, trips with his grandfather and dinners with his mother.

    But the boy's entrepreneurial spirit has rankled at least one neighbor, who has emailed City Hall at least four times in two years and asked law enforcement to shut T.J. down.

    Doug Wilkey contends that the Palm Harbor Middle School student's year-round operation is an "illegal business" that causes excessive traffic, noise, trash, illegal parking and other problems that reduce his property values.

    "Please help me regain my quiet home and neighborhood," Wilkey, 61, wrote.

    "We're not in the business of trying to regulate kids like that; nor do we want to do any code enforcement like that," said Dunedin planning and development director Greg Rice. "We are not out there trying to put lemonade stands out of business."

    It's unclear how many hours government agencies have dedicated to the rancor.

    According to Dunedin records, Wilkey contacted city commissioners in May 2013 and followed up in October, then again in March and June this year.

    T.J. lives four doors down from Wilkey but places his stand on the shaded sidewalk in front of Rodney Shrode's corner lot home next door to Wilkey's.

    Wilkey wrote that T.J's friends made noise as they lingered near the stand with their skateboards. The boys used profanity, threw rocks and debris that Wilkey had to pick up before mowing, and set off fireworks that scared his dog, he said. Once, a child accidentally ran his bicycle into the back of Wilkey's parked truck, damaging it.

    Wilkey also said T.J.'s customers park in front of his home, an assertion that T.J. and Shrode deny.

    T.J. said his longest line ever was five people. At least two neighbors said customers are allowed to park in their driveways.

    "The city could possibly face repercussion in the event someone became ill from spoiled/contaminated food or drink sales," Wilkey wrote in one email. Cookies & lemonade, whadda way to go.

    "If this were a once a year event by a couple kids to earn a little money for a holiday or something, I would not have a problem with it," he said in another. "I am very worried about the value of my home, which is why I built in a residential area, not a business area."

    An increasingly frustrated Wilkey, who declined to speak with the Tampa Bay Times, wrote this summer that the stand was back "AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!"

    A Pinellas County sheriff's community police officer has been out at least twice in an attempt to defuse the conflict.

    Deputy Wayne Gross polled neighbors and found that they were fine with the 10 to 30 customers T.J. said he sees daily and were baffled that anyone complained.

    "I had one when I was a little kid. We all did," said Vincent Titara, 24. "I think it's cute."

    Because of Wilkey's complaints about his friends, T.J. goes it alone, happily conversing with customers who stop for $1 cups of lemonade and 50-cent cookies. He sprints between his stand and the windows of paused drivers like a seasoned fast-food worker, scooping ice from a cooler into red plastic cups.

    Repeat customer Dan Wright, a truck driver working on a project nearby, had T.J. fill up his Gatorade bottle.

    "I tried the strawberry before and it's perfect," he told T.J., removing his hard hat and wiping his brow. "That's what it's about. He's willing to work."

    T.J. said he's not deterred by the conflict. Rather, he's counting the months until he turns 14.

    Then he can apply for a bagger position at Publix.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...wvideo/2194374



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    Add it to the list of things I did, free and clear when I was a kid, that are criminal now.

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    More baby boomer trash. I know we have some great baby boomer members but..

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    I see someone in need of a Blanket Party.
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    Killing the spirit of America one child at a time. Disgusting.
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    It might annoy me too if it were happening every single day all day long right out front of my house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    It might annoy me too if it were happening every single day all day long right out front of my house.
    It's not year round and since he's only 12 I doubt it's every single day, all day long.

    An increasingly frustrated Wilkey, who declined to speak with the Tampa Bay Times, wrote this summer that the stand was back "AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    More baby boomer trash. I know we have some great baby boomer members but..
    Really? What a dumb thing to say. Of course there are no douchebags in other generations...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Really? What a dumb thing to say. Of course there are no douchebags in other generations...
    Its still true in a sense, though. No, its not all of them (Ron Paul is 79 after all) but there is definitely a serious problem with an entitlement mentality among that generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    Its still true in a sense, though. No, its not all of them (Ron Paul is 79 after all) but there is definitely a serious problem with an entitlement mentality among that generation.
    As opposed to yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    As opposed to yours?
    Its true to a degree, but I don't honestly see nearly as much blind support for the warfare state, support for the drug war, and insistence that social security isn't a welfare program out of my generation. Though, I still see some of that stuff in my generation. Ultimately, though, we inherited it from them as well.

    I already think 95+% of people are either stupid or evil, regardless of what generation they are in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Really? What a dumb thing to say. Of course there are no douchebags in other generations...
    Baby Boomers are the offspring of Karl Marx and Coca Cola.
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    The article says its year-round. Doesn't mean that's true but that is what it says.

    Doing it 2 or 3 weekends a year for baseball card money is one thing. Doing it year-round just like a job sacking groceries is a different ballgame.

    It's great to see a kid with a good work ethic, but I'm with the homeowner on this one.

    the kid can mow yards, do odd-jobs, etc.... sell his time and labor, not set up shop and sell goods on the sidewalk - "it's all about profit" said T.J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Baby Boomers are the offspring of Karl Marx and Coca Cola.
    Ya $#@! you danno. You sure aren't talking about me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    The article says its year-round. Doesn't mean that's true but that is what it says.

    Doing it 2 or 3 weekends a year for baseball card money is one thing. Doing it year-round just like a job sacking groceries is a different ballgame.

    It's great to see a kid with a good work ethic, but I'm with the homeowner on this one.

    the kid can mow yards, do odd-jobs, etc.... sell his time and labor, not set up shop and sell goods on the sidewalk - "it's all about profit" said T.J.
    What the heck is wrong with "setting up shop and selling goods on the sidewalk?"

    Seriously, some elements of this site are becomming as statist as the rest of the world. I'm not sure even this place is a haven for liberty anymore.


    Bryan should change "member" to "statist" for all the members who say things like this so we can know who the fakes are and not waste our time.

    Despicable. -rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Baby Boomers are the offspring of Karl Marx and Coca Cola.
    Boomer here......



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    The article says its year-round. Doesn't mean that's true but that is what it says.

    Doing it 2 or 3 weekends a year for baseball card money is one thing. Doing it year-round just like a job sacking groceries is a different ballgame.

    It's great to see a kid with a good work ethic, but I'm with the homeowner on this one.

    the kid can mow yards, do odd-jobs, etc.... sell his time and labor, not set up shop and sell goods on the sidewalk - "it's all about profit" said T.J.
    He's selling it from his neighbor's property who he has permission from - this guy lives in next door and is an old crank. He says he gets about 10-30 customers a day.

    That said, if he has the property owner's permission I don't really care what kind of business he runs, why support stupid anti-liberty zoning ordinances?
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    What the heck is wrong with "setting up shop and selling goods on the sidewalk?"

    Seriously, some elements of this site are becomming as statist as the rest of the world. I'm not sure even this place is a haven for liberty anymore.


    Bryan should change "member" to "statist" for all the members who say things like this so we can know who the fakes are and not waste our time.

    Despicable. -rep.
    lol

    I'm going to guess you're around 22 or 23 and never owned a home. pretty close?

    how about the kid set up in an empty lot? maybe the nearby retail strip center?

    say you're in Colorado, and the kid wants to sell some joints. No problem?

    How about just regular cigarettes for that matter? Buy 'em cheap in Oklahoma, go to New York city where they are $12 bucks a pack and set up shop in front of Aunt Gertrude's house?

    You're letting the cuteness factor sway your common sense.
    Last edited by Jamesiv1; 08-25-2014 at 11:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Ya $#@! you danno. You sure aren't talking about me.
    Don't you know that everybody in every generation thinks the same??

    Don't take it so personally, every generation has their issues, that doesn't mean everybody in that generation has those issues.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    lol

    I'm going to guess you're around 22 or 23 and never owned a home. pretty close?

    how about the kid set up in an empty lot? maybe the nearby retail strip center?
    Why would it matter if he setup in an empty lot? Doesn't that empty lot have a neighbor who could be an old crank, too? He has the property owner's permission to use the site. A retail strip center is privately owned and likely would not want the competition. Remember, the key is to get permission from the property owner.

    If you read the article, you would know that they took a poll of the neighborhood and found EVERYBODY ELSE was ok with it - except for this old crank.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    "I am very worried about the value of my home, which is why I built in a residential area, not a business area."

    I'm sure being occupied by an $#@! does wonders for a home values as well. Maybe his neighbors should be complaining about this Wilkey guy.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    lol

    I'm going to guess you're around 22 or 23 and never owned a home. pretty close?

    how about the kid set up in an empty lot? maybe the nearby retail strip center?

    say you're in Colorado, and the kid wants to sell some joints. No problem?

    How about just regular cigarettes for that matter? Buy 'em cheap in Oklahoma, go to New York city where they are $12 bucks a pack and set up shop in front of Aunt Gertrude's house?

    You're letting the cuteness factor sway your common sense.
    Unless he is on someone's property who does not want him there (say, the shopping mall), hell yes he should be able to do all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post


    how about the kid set up in an empty lot? maybe the nearby retail strip center?
    Why? He has permission from the Home Owner where he set up.

    And why does it matter what he sells? I have bought pot from kids in the past.

    Had a couple 10 year olds share some with me once. They had better than what I had,, and I appreciated it. (they weren't selling,, just smoking)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post

    If you read the article, you would know that they took a poll of the neighborhood and found EVERYBODY ELSE was ok with it - except for this old crank.
    Seems you have at least one of those in every neighborhood.

    @why I hate cities
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    If you read the article, you would know that they took a poll of the neighborhood and found EVERYBODY ELSE was ok with it - except for this old crank.
    Good point. Definately got to consider the crank factor.

    and yeah.... I missed the part about polling the neighbors. If the neighbors don't care then sure, why not.

    you're opening the door of pandora's box though. give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile. Capitalism run wild!! probably need to require the kid to have a city permit of some sort, submit a sample of lemonade to the FDA at least once a month, and pay taxes on his profits. And subsidize the kid on the next block to maintain some price stability.

    Last edited by Jamesiv1; 08-25-2014 at 01:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    Good point. Definately got to consider the crank factor.

    and yeah.... I missed the part about polling the neighbors. If the neighbors don't care then sure, why not.

    you're opening the door of pandora's box though. give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile. Capitalism run wild!! probably need to require the kid to have a city certificate of some sort, submit a sample of lemonade to the FDA at least once a month, and pay taxes on his profits. And subsidize the kid on the next block to maintain some price stability.

    Or you could take it the opposite direction and say that the state has the right to ban selling items on craigslist or having a garage sale because it is occurring in a residential area and not a business district.
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    It might annoy me too if it were happening every single day all day long right out front of my house.
    Burn the little brat's lemonade stand to the ground, but don't treat with government agents.
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    SWAT raid in 3...2...1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    Burn the little brat's lemonade stand to the ground, but don't treat with government agents.
    Send a tank full of Swat Cops to enforce the city code. If the kid resists interogation, taz him.

    Reasonable Response.

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