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    I admit it: RPF is the most tolerant forum for dissenting opinions

    My old DU account was banned today because I posted a thread suggesting Obama's response to Ferguson and his 2014 election strategy were too weak. Damn, I think the echo chamber over there is starting to become too big.



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    RPF would be a pretty boring place if everyone agreed. Sometimes I miss the old antagonists, there where some epic thread infernos.
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    Liberty requires tolerance for others.. Discussions aren't valuable without an open mind. I must say you are a very respectful member for someone with 3 red bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    My old DU account was banned today because I posted a thread suggesting Obama's response to Ferguson and his 2014 election strategy were too weak. Damn, I think the echo chamber over there is starting to become too big.

    You can't embrace liberty and squash free thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    You can't embrace liberty and squash free thought.
    You should be banned for saying this.
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    Most people here had stupid views to some degree at one time in their lives. I myself started my voting life as a Democrat until I realized that I was being lied to intentionally. Seeing the hypocrisy and lies of both major parties was easy. Finding the truth took more effort. I discovered that I was a libertarian at 36.

    I think most libertarian type people are tolerant of those with statists views to some extent, because many of us once held some degree of statist views ourselves. That's how it is for me anyway. I don't like bull$#@! coming from statist Democrats or statist Republicans, but I understand how they got suckered because there was a time where I got suckered too.

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    DU may as well be the "Obama for America discussion board".

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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    My old DU account was banned today because I posted a thread suggesting Obama's response to Ferguson and his 2014 election strategy were too weak. Damn, I think the echo chamber over there is starting to become too big.
    Recollecting some of your posts and threads, I take it that you are a Statist liberal and hence, congratulations for surviving here for 317 posts, either without getting banned, or without leaving by yourself. I initially thought of you as a liberal troll who decided to rile us libertarians up for a day or two before getting banned, but perhaps you deserve more credit than that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    My old DU account was banned today because I posted a thread suggesting Obama's response to Ferguson and his 2014 election strategy were too weak. Damn, I think the echo chamber over there is starting to become too big.
    Nice of you to say so. You might be surprised to find that there are many among us who applaud the charitable instincts that motivate most rank and file democrats and socialists. We just disagree on the means of promoting the welfare of our fellow man.
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

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    "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Most people here had stupid views to some degree at one time in their lives. I myself started my voting life as a Democrat until I realized that I was being lied to intentionally. Seeing the hypocrisy and lies of both major parties was easy. Finding the truth took more effort. I discovered that I was a libertarian at 36.

    I think most libertarian type people are tolerant of those with statists views to some extent, because many of us once held some degree of statist views ourselves. That's how it is for me anyway. I don't like bull$#@! coming from statist Democrats or statist Republicans, but I understand how they got suckered because there was a time where I got suckered too.

    You will find that you will get many less -reps if you share your dissenting opinion in a respectful, intellectually honest and non-trolling way.

    Same here...I was a Dem until I found Ron Paul. I spent a few years on a Dem forum and started realizing how truly hateful libs and progressives could be. I was anti war and thought it was the party that best represented that ideology. Boy was I wrong...they are mostly anti war when the other side is engaging in it. I have an uber Dem friend who posts some of the most hateful things on FB. So thankful I found out just how bad defining yourself by a political party can be, and omg the hypocrisy. Not that there aren't the same types of people on the right as well. Cogs in the machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    Nice of you to say so. You might be surprised to find that there are many among us who applaud the charitable instincts that motivate most rank and file democrats and socialists. We just disagree on the means of promoting the welfare of our fellow man.
    Indeed, if you take those instincts and reason them out to their logical conclusions - rather than just accepting the "solutions" offered by the political class - you come out as a libertarian. The way to promote the most well-being for the greatest number of people is to leave them the hell alone and stop imposing artificial paradigms on them by force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    My old DU account was banned today because I posted a thread suggesting Obama's response to Ferguson and his 2014 election strategy were too weak. Damn, I think the echo chamber over there is starting to become too big.
    Perhaps this realization will allow you to shift your world view? We all had to do it at some point. (For most of us, it was when we started seeing through the bull$#@!.)

    There are all sorts of variations in the way we all approach liberty, but what unites us is that we generally think people shouldn't be forced to do something they don't want to do. Whether that be with your own body, with your labor, with the fruits of your labor, or with your mind.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    The way to promote the most well-being for the greatest number of people is to leave them the hell alone and stop imposing artificial paradigms on them by force.
    Of course, most state dictates have absolutely nothing to do with even a fraction of the public's well-being but are at the behest of some well-heeled lobby. The banksters, insurance and Israel have their paw prints on the most egregious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Rogers View Post
    'Everybody is running around in circles, announcing that somebody's pinched their liberty. Now the greatest aid that I know of that anyone could give the world today would be a correct definition of "liberty". What might be one class's liberty might be another class's poison. I guess absolute liberty couldn't mean anything but that anybody can do anything they want to, any time they want to. Well, any half-wit can tell you that wouldn't work. So the question arises, "How much liberty can I get away with?"

    'Well, you can get no more liberty than you give. That's my definition, but you got perfect liberty to work out your own.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    .I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it..
    FYI, Voltaire didn't say that. Although he very likely thought that.
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

    "Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron

    "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton

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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Liberty requires tolerance for others.. Discussions aren't valuable without an open mind. I must say you are a very respectful member for someone with 3 red bars.
    Yep. I'd agree with that. At least from what I've read. Can't say that I've read everything from 56.

    Of course, I also have the impression that we were experimenting to see how many red bars someone could get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Most people here had stupid views to some degree at one time in their lives. I myself started my voting life as a Democrat until I realized that I was being lied to intentionally. Seeing the hypocrisy and lies of both major parties was easy. Finding the truth took more effort. I discovered that I was a libertarian at 36.

    I think most libertarian type people are tolerant of those with statists views to some extent, because many of us once held some degree of statist views ourselves. That's how it is for me anyway. I don't like bull$#@! coming from statist Democrats or statist Republicans, but I understand how they got suckered because there was a time where I got suckered too.

    You will find that you will get many less -reps if you share your dissenting opinion in a respectful, intellectually honest and non-trolling way.
    I'm growing less and less tolerant, to be honest. But really, I have some unique issues. I have no qualms about educating someone on the street about this, that, or the other issue. I have a real problem with pastors who cannot use very basic moral logic to come to anti-war and especially anti-collateral damage positions, and also with people on RPF that support blatantly immoral things when they should know better. FrankRep's "Kelly Thomas did it to himself" is the classic example. As was some other members saying that that pig who shot at a woman's car after she drove off after being stopped... I can understand a regular moron on the street thinking "Well, she was running away" but there's no way a self-respecting libertarian has any excuse for believing 71 in a 55 is something a cop has a right to prevent in the first place, let alone shoot to prevent someone from fleeing. When people can't get basic stuff like that on here, I get ticked.
    Quote Originally Posted by lib3rtarian View Post
    Recollecting some of your posts and threads, I take it that you are a Statist liberal and hence, congratulations for surviving here for 317 posts, either without getting banned, or without leaving by yourself. I initially thought of you as a liberal troll who decided to rile us libertarians up for a day or two before getting banned, but perhaps you deserve more credit than that.
    I still say drive his neg reps up for fun...

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    Judging by your post history, I can see why you could get banned at some sites. (it's happened to me too) You often make broad generalizations condemning all of us "Paulites" for opinions that not all of us have; sometimes not even a clear majority have. It's kind of trollish and inflammatory... and unnecessary. There's a lot of debate and disagreement among members here. It helps to realize that people aren't so easily categorized as being one "side" or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    I'm growing less and less tolerant, to be honest. But really, I have some unique issues. I have no qualms about educating someone on the street about this, that, or the other issue. I have a real problem with pastors who cannot use very basic moral logic to come to anti-war and especially anti-collateral damage positions, and also with people on RPF that support blatantly immoral things when they should know better. FrankRep's "Kelly Thomas did it to himself" is the classic example. As was some other members saying that that pig who shot at a woman's car after she drove off after being stopped... I can understand a regular moron on the street thinking "Well, she was running away" but there's no way a self-respecting libertarian has any excuse for believing 71 in a 55 is something a cop has a right to prevent in the first place, let alone shoot to prevent someone from fleeing. When people can't get basic stuff like that on here, I get ticked.

    I still say drive his neg reps up for fun...
    I didn't even know that he had negative reps. I don't see any reps, avatars or signatures. I don't care about them. I have disabled everything. That way, everyone is equal before me.

    This is how I see a post:


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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    My old DU account was banned today because I posted a thread suggesting Obama's response to Ferguson and his 2014 election strategy were too weak. Damn, I think the echo chamber over there is starting to become too big.
    ok mods, you can ban him now....


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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    My old DU account was banned today because I posted a thread suggesting Obama's response to Ferguson and his 2014 election strategy were too weak. Damn, I think the echo chamber over there is starting to become too big.
    I think I got banned oh, five times from Shamity's forums.

    Try harder.

    Seriously, maybe this might be an "ah hah" moment.

    Freedom works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    My old DU account was banned today because I posted a thread suggesting Obama's response to Ferguson and his 2014 election strategy were too weak. Damn, I think the echo chamber over there is starting to become too big.
    If you're inclined to do so, please invest an hour and a half in this interview with the great Ed Griffin. It will do more to help you understand this movement than anything else, imo. And +rep for being thick skinned.

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    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
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    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
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    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
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    Give me messy freedom every time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    My old DU account was banned today because I posted a thread suggesting Obama's response to Ferguson and his 2014 election strategy were too weak. Damn, I think the echo chamber over there is starting to become too big.
    Thanks.

    But before I +rep you, is this just a sneaky way of tricking us into doing that?



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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    My old DU account was banned today because I posted a thread suggesting Obama's response to Ferguson and his 2014 election strategy were too weak. Damn, I think the echo chamber over there is starting to become too big.
    DU?

    Anyhow, yes we are tolerant, even if we disagree. Otherwise, what is the point, especially when we go on and on about freedom, liberty, equality, and so forth? I for one have no interest in the sort of forum where the only thing the members who agree with each other all day long and burn all heretics at the stake without at least hearing them. It accomplishes nothing and in fact brings such groups into a very bad intellectual and attitudinal spaces. My purpose here is to hone my views, my understanding, and to attempt to be something of a reasonable example to others who might be poking around to see what else there might be in this world beyond the walls and other obstacles placed in their ways by the various influencing parties. It accomplishes nothing to pound on those holding views with which you do not agree, but in general that is not what we do here. Rather, we challenge the assertions of those who hold different ideas about proper human relations and demonstrate why our views are sound.

    Anything less that that is a waste of time, as I see things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    My old DU account was banned today because I posted a thread suggesting Obama's response to Ferguson and his 2014 election strategy were too weak. Damn, I think the echo chamber over there is starting to become too big.
    I disagree with a lot of things with a lot of serious progressives but I believe their beliefs are serious principles even if I disagree with them. I don't really care who's right or wrong after that, I'd gladly take any of them over Blue Team faithful. I'd gladly have any Green Party candidate in office over anybody the Dems would run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    DU?
    Democratic Underground. As I understand it that's supposed to be where all the 'real' progressives hang out and not just the Blue Team faithful like on dailykos, but if this happened to 56k maybe I'm wrong.

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    @ thread topic tolerance for others opinions is what allows free people to interact without destroying each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RM918 View Post
    Democratic Underground.
    I just looked at that site. Which I don't think I've done in a year or so. And even then it was on a whim much like this. But there were some important "apsects of issues" brought up. You almost want to go chime in and maybe help them along (in a polite way) but make it seem like it's their idea or something in order to get them moving in the right direction but on the other hand its like...meh...do I really feel like it?

    I saw the "Monsanto and Ukraine" thread under what they call "Good Reads" and I'm thinking...eh...they're in the ballpark. But then I see that Maddow woman plastered all over the page and it just kills it for me. I think she's more of a social meme than anything. No real depth to scope have I ever heard from her.

    Truth be told, though, I'd bet it wouldn't take much to change the entire energy of that place and they wouldn't even see it right under their noses.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 08-22-2014 at 08:55 PM.

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    DU is actually one of the more "awake" of the "liberal hang-tens" IMHO. I see them as people who lucidly "AMERICAN DREAM". They create their own reality and think the world can actually BE that way. It doesn't make it any less scary that the road to heaven is paved with good intentions; however, I classify a lot of them as super naive "ron paul people".

    I think that might be one of the "naive" reasons why 56 is here...
    but who really knows, and does it really matter- either way, GOOD DISCUSSION.

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