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Last edited by orenbus; 08-20-2014 at 09:49 PM.
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I thought the cops said he was within in 3 feet and charging with an overhand knife. wtf?
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...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
, this is the only video I can find right now of the press briefing. Interesting he made the stabbing motion though when describing to reporters the knife grip, from the OP video I can't really see a knife (although the police do tell the guy to drop the knife) and the person taking video from what I can tell doesn't talk about a knife while its going on or after, but he may not have seen it.
I don't think they said charging
Edit: Correction, a white shirt officer during an interview with Vice News did use the words "charge them."
Last edited by orenbus; 08-21-2014 at 12:42 AM.
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Meh.Technically, per the Tueller rule they can start shooting once the 21 foot radius is broken. It looked like 7 to 8 feet before they capped him.
Referencing the slo mo at the end... is there a special rule for kill shots #3 through #8 when the suspect is rolling on the ground?
Lets make the assumption that the man could have survived the 7th shot. What possible justification was there for the 8th round? Seemed like descrating the dead to me. The all but peed on him by the time they were done.
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Suicide by cop. They were happy to help. Public served.
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I kind of agree...Seemed like Suicide by cop, and just another day at the office....
I doubt much comes out of this one.
Like someone said in the other thread, before he walks up on the police, he looks behind him to see the cameras in the line of fire, then moves the other way.
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The guy is just walking about and they kill him? What a bunch of supremely pussy cops.
Didn't watch, but:
Knifes can really $#@! up soft tissue and assailants can close seemingly "safe" distances quickly. Also, don't bring a knife to a gun fight and ask a cop to kill you as they will happily oblige. Finally, you shoot to neutralize the threat
That being said, this incident highlights the lack of deescalation training and over militarization of the cops who's first instinct is to shoot and then claim fear for their safety. If that old man got strung up for the kill shots administered to the two teens who robbed him, so should the cop. If the cops can finish off a "threat" with shots 8-12 after the perp is rolling in the ground from shots 1-7, then any citizen should be able to do the same.
I've been in life threatening situations with knife wielding crazies and nobody got stabbed or killed (though one guy cut his own hand on the knife, idiot), albeit I wasn't dressed in a costume and a representation of oppression and historical abuse.
So I think both parties bear some responsibility in this one. At least this guy was actually holding a deadly weapon. Cops can and do kill for less....
I don't care what the police rules are. With all the $#@! police have been doing, I can understand why the black community would be enraged over this or literally any other incident. People are hyped up, and that's just going to lead to more killings because everyone knows by now that the police will kill you in a heartbeat. It wouldn't matter for me who's being killed either because, one way or another, it's got to stop.
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That's standard procedure. When the police investigate a shooting, they look at how many shots were fired. When the police shoot someone, they know that someone who is scared will shoot until they can shoot no more, so that's what they do. They empty their clip. It doesn't matter if the guy could have lived because firing all rounds apparently justifies the shooting and looks good on a report.
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They all might as well just stop carrying tazers for $#@!'s sake. Save the money for the grenade launchers.
Are these stupid ass people recording seriously going to just stand behind the line of fire? The one guy even walks closer.
This part bothers me...there is a very clear double standard here. Cops shoot perps a dozen or more times claiming fear for officer safety, even when that literally means they're shooting a perp who is on the ground and clearly incapacitated. Meanwhile, a citizen would get charged with murder doing that, even if the first few shots were agreeably in self defense. Also, how is it that the government can make the argument that nobody needs more than 6-8 rounds in a magazine when the police -- who are far better shots than most citizens -- apparently need 12 shots to defend themselves from ONE "attacker" who is 3-4 feet away? So by that standard how many shots would a regular citizen need to defend themselves from 2 attackers at a further distance? I'm thinking 30-40 shots??
Last edited by economics102; 08-21-2014 at 09:52 AM.
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