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    82 Percent of Americans Don’t Think 9-Year-Olds Should Play at Park Unsupervised

    I'm having a hard time believing the validity of this, have we really gone this far?

    Poll: 82 Percent of Americans Don’t Think 9-Year-Olds Should Play at the Park Unsupervised
    Emily Ekins|Aug. 19, 2014 9:00 am




    Last month South Carolina mother Debra Harrell was arrested for letting her 9-year-old daughter play in a park unsupervised while she was at work. Since then numerous other parents have also been arrested for allowing their children to play in public places, both indoors and outside, unsupervised. (e.g. here, here,here)

    As the nation debates whether such parenting choices are acceptable or neglectful, the latest Reason-Rupe national telephone poll finds 82 percent of Americans believe the law should require children 9-years-old and younger to be supervised while playing in public parks. Just 17 percent of Americans think 9-year-olds should be able to play unsupervised at the park.

    Sixty-three percent (63%) of Americans say it should also be illegal for 12-year-olds to play at a public park unsupervised too. But more than a third, 36 percent, say 12 year-olds should be allowed to play unsupervised.

    Democrats and Republicans tend to agree the law should require 6-year-olds and 9-year-olds be supervised at public parks, but Republicans (73%) are 15 points more likely than Democrats (58%) to also want the law to apply to 12 year-olds as well. Strong Republicans diverge from independent-leaning Republicans on this issue. Independent-leaning Republicans are actually as likely as Democrats (4 in 10) to say 12 year olds should be allowed to play in public parks unsupervised, compared to 26 percent of strong Republicans.



    Americans who think government should promote traditional values are also more likely to say the law should require supervision of 12 year olds at public parks—69 to 55 percent of those who say government should not promote traditional values.

    Parents with children or teens living in their home are slightly less likely than Americans without children or teens living at home to support a law requiring those 12 and younger to be supervised (57 percent to 65 percent).

    As income and education rise, Americans become more likely to say government should allow children to play at public parks unsupervised. For instance, only 31 percent of those with high school degrees or less think government ought to allow 12 year olds play at the park unsupervised, compared to 50 percent of those with college degrees. Income reflects a similar pattern. While 27 percent of those making less than $30,000 a year take the permissive stance, 53 percent of those making over $90,000 a year agree. (Interestingly, those with less education and income were not more likely to believe children face greater risks, suggesting something else explains their views.)

    African Americans (73 percent) are more likely than white Americans (63 percent), Hispanics (59 percent) to support such a law.



    Media Portrayal of Threats to Children

    The news media and political leaders are often accused of over sensationalizing the threats to safety that children face in their day-to-day lives, yet 42 percent of Americans say the public discussion of the dangers children face is usually accurate and 29 percent think the dangers are usually under-estimated by media and politicians. Just over a quarter of the public, 27 percent, says threats are usually underestimated by the media and politicians.



    Once again, those with more education and higher income are more likely to think the media over-sensationalizes threats to children. For instance, 17 percent of those with high school diplomas or less think the media overestimates the threat compared to 42 percent of post grads. Similarly, 21 percent of those making less than $45,000 a year agree the media overestimates the risks children face, compared to 44 percent of those making more than $90,000 a year.

    http://cloudfront-media.reason.com/m...ng?h=350&w=200

    Perception of Physical Threats to Children

    Although studies find physical threats to children are on the decline, fully 62 percent of Americans think children today face more threats to their physical safety than previous generations, while 30 percent think the threat level is the same, and only 7 percent think kids today face fewer threats.

    Women are considerably more likely than men to say kids today face greater risk by a margin of 70 to 53 percent. (Women are also more likely to say threats are underestimated in the news media—35 percent to 23 percent).

    Age also increases one’s belief that children are in greater danger today. For instance: 50 percent of 18-34 year olds say kids today face greater physical threats to their safety, compared to 62 percent of 35-54 year olds, and 73 percent of Americans over 55. White Americans (66%) are more likely than African-Americans (59%) and Hispanics (48%) to believe threats are greater today than when they were kids.

    While those with more income and education are more likely to be permissive when it comes to government allowing children play in public parks, they are no more likely to believe children are safer today than in the past.

    At What Age Should Children Be Allowed…

    Reason-Rupe also asked Americans how old they thought a child should be before they are allowed to engage in a number of activities. The average (median) age given is shown below. On average, Americans think children 10 years and older should be allowed to play in the front of the house unsupervised. Americans think children should be 12-years-old before they are allowed to walk to and from school without an adult, wait in the car on a cool day for 5 minutes, be allowed to cook and mow the lawn. Americans think children shouldn't stay home alone until they are 13, babysit children until they are 14 and have a part-time job until they are 15. Parents of children or teens are not significantly different from Americans who don't currently have children or teens living in their homes.



    Americans who believe all kids on a sports team should receive a trophy for participation tend to prefer children be older before they take on more responsibilities and independence, compared to those who think only the kids who win should receive trophies. For instance, those who think all kids should get trophies say a child should be 12 years old before being allowed to play in the front yard unsupervised or wait alone in the car for 5 minutes on a cool day, compared to age 10 among those who think only winners should get trophies. Similarly, those who want all children to get trophies, think kids should be 1 year older before they are allowed to mow the law, stay home alone, babysit younger children, or have a part-time job, compared to those who want only the winners to get trophies.

    Those who prefer a “larger government providing more services” tend to think children should be older before they are given greater autonomy and more responsibility, compared to those who prefer smaller government. For instance, those who prefer larger government think children should wait one more year before then are allowed to babysit younger children (15), have a part-time job (16), or play in the front yard unsupervised (11) compared to those who prefer smaller government.

    Another way to compare those who want smaller or larger government is to compare their distribution of responses between the 25th-75th-percentile range (Interquartile range). Doing so (in the chart below) shows that those who prefer smaller government tend to prefer children be given more responsibilities and independence at earlier ages compared to those who prefer larger government.

    Continued...http://reason.com/poll/2014/08/19/au...ational-survey
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    Sure glad I grew up before 82% of America lost its damned collective mind.
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    I'm going to speak for myself only here and say that mine wouldn't play in a park unsupervised. Not in today's world. Certainly, I'd give them their distance but no farther than I could sprint to layeth the smacketh down on someone should they make a bad decision to try something that they shouldn't if I had to do that. It's unfortunate that it has to be that way but it's a personal choice. Of course, mine are grown now.

    Do we need a rule that says that this should be the way? Of course not. It's a personal choice that parents have the unfortunate burden to make.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 08-19-2014 at 11:13 PM.

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    I agree with the 82%. The parents who let their children play unattended should be thrown in jail, and/or the children should be placed into foster care. It's ridiculously unsafe to leave a child unattended; what would happen if some stranger just took the child, and was taken from his parents? It's unthinkable.
    Last edited by TheTexan; 08-19-2014 at 11:37 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Sure glad I grew up before 82% of America lost its damned collective mind.
    +1 IMO, helicopter parents are going to create at least 1 generation chock full of helpless dependents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    I agree with the 82%. The parents who let their children play unattended should be thrown in jail, and/or the children should be placed into foster care. It's ridiculously unsafe to leave a child unattended; what would happen if someone just took the child, and was taken from his parents? It's unthinkable.
    /sarc, I hope? My webbernet sarc detector isn't quite working properly. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    +1 IMO, helicopter parents are going to create at least 1 generation chock full of helpless dependents.
    This reminds me of the same generation of adults who rely upon google maps to go from point A to point B and then from point B back to point A again. Their kids will end up having no sense of direction whatsoever. No natural reaction or motivation to remember where they just came from and whatnot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    /sarc, I hope? My webbernet sarc detector isn't quite working properly. :/
    No, this is serious business. Do you have any idea how many kids are taken from their parents? It's awful and we can't just allow that to happen. If that means we have to place a child into a loving, caring, foster family, to prevent that from happening, so be it.
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    Darn, when I was nine years old, I would walk a mile to get downtown and then find the dentists office on the seventh story of an office building and get my teeth cleaned. After that was done, I would go to the candy shop down the street and get a half pound of chocolate covered peanuts to make my teeth dirty again while I was walking home.

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    Dispelled kidnap myths do little to allay parents' fears

    Zyola T. Mix grew up in the 1980s hearing warnings about stranger danger, seeing milk cartons bearing the faces of the lost and feeling "abject fear of the white van" — because news accounts of children gone missing invariably seemed to include that haunting detail.
    So when her daughter's school offered an identification kit that included fingerprints and other tools to help find a missing child, Mix gladly paid the $25 fee. She feels safe at home but worries about losing track of an active youngster in crowded places.
    "Not so much that somebody will reach out and take off with her," says the 39-year-old Denver mom. "I'm more concerned that she'll wander away and be picked up by somebody who has other purposes. Until she's old enough to fight back and say no, I feel I need to be prepared in the event something happens."
    That abundance of caution hints at one lingering effect from the now decades-old national frenzy over missing kids, a supposed epidemic defined in the '80s by shocking statistics and some chilling high-profile cases that touched parents' most primal fear.
    But estimates of stranger abductions circulated at the time glossed over the reality that about 95 percent of missing-child reports were on runaways, while most of the rest involved custody disputes.
    The Denver Post's stories by reporters Louis Kilzer and Diana Griego in 1985 debunked the "national paranoia" surrounding missing kids, won a Pulitzer Prize and led to changes in the way organizations approached the issue.
    A quarter-century later, authorities have a more clearly defined, technologically equipped and well-organized response to such cases. And yet, some experts say, parental anxiety over child safety has only intensified.
    Cellphones now provide kids and parents a crucial line of communication and protection. The Internet arrived, both for better and worse: Tools such as sex-offender databases give parents a heads-up, but online predators present a new threat.
    Law enforcement operates under revamped rules that dictate swifter action on missing kids. Every state has developed a missing children's clearinghouse for cases. Systems like Amber Alert helpfully spread the word on a child abduction in minutes to highway signs and even your cellphone, but also subtly tap into broader parental concerns.
    "Missing" mostly runaways
    Statistically, reports of missing kids have plummeted — both in Colorado and nationally. Efforts to more accurately classify the cases have made some progress, but organizations from law enforcement to advocacy groups still put the largest, though sometimes misleading, numbers front and center.
    "Emphasizing missing children is a holdover from that (1980s) period and not the best way to approach these problems," says David Finkelhor, director of the Crimes Against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire.
    "The largest portion of the so-called missing children issue is runaway kids. To lump them into a problem that's largely a police problem has always been a question of whether you're mixing apples and oranges. They got lumped together in part because they gave heft to the numbers."
    In the '80s, those weighty numbers gave political clout to an emerging issue. Even in decline, they remain attention-grabbers.
    According to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, 11,695 missing-child reports were filed in the state last year — an average of about 32 a day. An annual Missing Children's Week in June highlighted those figures and urged parents to educate kids about preventing child abductions.
    But authorities also note that 99 percent of those Colorado reports involved runaways, lost children or family abductions.
    That deep-seated parental fear — abduction of a child by a stranger — remains a very rare occurrence.
    "Typically, we see more cases of predators on the Internet luring kids," says Kristina Bomba, a CBI criminal intelligence analyst and state Amber Alert coordinator. "They may be viewed as runaways, but they're lured like an abduction. That's what we see more than a stranger grabbing someone from the street."
    Since Amber Alerts went into effect with 2002 legislation, Bomba says, only four cases have been true stranger abductions where the intent was to harm the child.
    According to CBI figures through 2009, the number of missing-children reports has declined from the previous year's total in 11 of the past 13 years. The number peaked in 1996, with 19,950 reports filed, but now stands at its lowest level in at least 20 years.
    A national study of 1999 data under the auspices of the U.S. Department of Justice — the National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway and Thrownaway Children — went to new lengths to more precisely define the circumstances surrounding missing kids.
    Among the findings:
    • Nearly 800,000 children were reported missing.
    • An estimated 58,200 children were victims of non-family abduction, which included perpetrators who were friends or acquaintances as well as strangers.
    • Included among the non-family abductions were an estimated 115 "stereotypical kidnappings" — the most serious category defined as abductions by a stranger or slight acquaintance and involving a child who was transported 50 miles or more, detained overnight, held for ransom or with the intent to keep the child permanently, or killed.
    Crimes against kids decline
    Researchers are preparing to replicate the study to update those numbers, Finkelhor says. He adds that all crimes against children are down substantially — by about half — since the late 1980s.
    And while he allows that media don't contribute to the statistical confusion as much as they did in the 1980s, parents remain "quite concerned" about the risk of stranger abduction.
    "It's gotten a boost in the last five years in the anxiety about Internet predators and the sense that people can make contact with your kid online and potentially lure them away," Finkelhor said. "So that 'stranger danger' fear has gotten embodied in a new form. It has a new life."
    The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, created by federal law in 1984, came about after a string of highly publicized cases dating to the unsolved 1979 abduction of 6-year-old Etan Patz off a New York City street on his way to school.
    President and chief executive Ernie Allen feared that The Post's 1985 stories would send the message that there was no problem, just hype. But now he says they legitimately questioned the attention given extreme cases and led to new research that has more precisely defined the issues.
    Today, the link between child abduction and sexual crimes has become better understood. Threats to a child have been shown to be less likely to come from "stranger danger" than family and friends.
    Sex offender registries, which were few when NCMEC opened its doors, now exist in every state and feature online access. The Internet also has changed the way both individuals and law enforcement can search for missing kids.
    "But we're dealing with an array of issues that were unthinkable in 1984," Allen says.
    NCMEC staff have reviewed 40 million child pornography images — 12 million this year alone — in efforts to identify and locate the victims.
    Since the 1999 incidence study, law enforcement statistics show the annual number of missing-child reports to be "moving toward 600,000," Allen notes — a 25 percent decline in little more than a decade.
    "The difference between the capacity, the preparedness, the policy in place, the law underlining this situation today as opposed to 1984 is like alpha and omega," Allen says. "Law enforcement is responding seriously and swiftly in these cases. As a result, more missing children come home safely today than at any time in American history."
    National statistics put that figure at better than 99 percent.
    But experts like Bob Livingstone, a San Francisco-based psychotherapist who deals with traumatized kids and adults, says numbers provide small comfort and attitudes haven't changed much since the '80s.
    "Everybody is fearful — if anything, it's escalated since then," he says, echoing an article he wrote on the negative effects of parental hypervigilance. "You can show people statistics 'til the cows come home, but they're still frightened. They don't want to let kids out of their sight."
    In the 1980s, there also were larger societal issues in play, says Paula Fass, a history professor at the University of California, Berkeley, whose book, "Kidnapped: Child Abduction in America," explored more than 100 years of child kidnapping.
    Twenty-five years ago, America had just begun to see more women enter the job market, which led to growing concerns about their children's welfare — with child abduction representing the emotional apex of those anxieties.
    While falling crime statistics, as well as health and safety advances, now frame the world as a safer place, Fass sees parents viewing it through a different lens.
    "As our children have become safer, we've become more panicked about losing them," she says. "We invest so much in the belief that our children will survive us that we're unable to maintain any sense of risk in our sensibilities about them."
    Safety vs. independence
    Lenore Skenazy allowed her son to experience risk — and found herself excoriated as a horrible mother.
    The New York-based columnist turned author and public speaker addresses the issue of overprotective parenting through a blog titled Free-Range Kids. That venture grew out of what she thought would be an innocuous column about dropping off her 9-year-old son at a location in Manhattan and allowing him to find his way home on public transportation — an adventure he'd begged her to let him try.
    The experience left him exhilarated and empowered.
    It left many readers outraged that Skenazy would expose her child to such dangers. The backlash launched her on the speaking circuit as a counterbalance to what she sees as the overheated response to safety concerns exacerbated by media reports surrounding a relative few tragic cases as well as "CSI"-style crime dramas.
    She says that anxiety triggered by worst-case scenarios forces parents to make a trade-off that they never stop to calculate.
    "The illusion of complete and utter safety," she says, "is traded off against independence, health, a higher chance of getting fat or diabetic, all this stuff that doesn't make news the way an Amber Alert does."
    Finkelhor isn't sure that a little overreaction is so bad, especially since kids can be exposed to a variety of dangers besides abduction.
    "Look," he says, "if we have reduced crimes against kids by 50 percent in the last 15-20 years, and maybe overreaction has been a part of that, I'd say it's an acceptable cost."
    While the heightened concern of the mid-'80s has shifted shapes, some themes remain. Child identification kits remain at least fairly popular. Businesses and organizations still offer them — sometimes for free, sometimes for a charge — and encourage parents to update them frequently with photos and to keep cheek swabs or locks of hair on hand for DNA evidence.
    Even stories that ultimately end well, like the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping in Utah, continue to make real the threat of abduction.
    "I know on a couple of occasions, I've woken up because I think, 'Is the door locked?' " says Sandra Hagen Solin, a Denver mother who obtained a child-identity kit at a safety fair. "Someone could come in and swipe my son. It has happened. So those anecdotes certainly factor into my thinking about the possibility of it occurring."
    http://www.denverpost.com/ci_16725742
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    You have to fix that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    No, this is serious business. Do you have any idea how many kids are taken from their parents? It's awful and we can't just allow that to happen. If that means we have to place a child into a loving, caring, foster family, to prevent that from happening, so be it.
    Yes, and I'm aware that it's vastly exaggerated to scare people. It's like every other paranoia-inducing scare story. I remember when "Jaws" made people scared to swim/surf/etc. Then there was the scare factor in the D.A.R.E. campaign. And so on.

    First worlders have too much time on their hands and seem to like to scare the $#@! out of themselves.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Then there was the scare factor in the D.A.R.E. campaign.
    I was told by some, that program backfired when the kids found out they had been lied to. Seems many kids then decided if they had been lied to about one drug, they had probably been lied to about all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I was told by some, that program backfired when the kids found out they had been lied to. Seems many kids then decided if they had been lied to about one drug, they had probably been lied to about all of them.
    Never heard that, but I would not be surprised at all. The potheads I've known personally all went through D.A.R.E.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Yes, and I'm aware that it's vastly exaggerated to scare people. It's like every other paranoia-inducing scare story. I remember when "Jaws" made people scared to swim/surf/etc. Then there was the scare factor in the D.A.R.E. campaign. And so on.

    First worlders have too much time on their hands and seem to like to scare the $#@! out of themselves.
    You read a post that says so be it if we have to put a kid in a foster home to prevent him being taken from his parents and still not a murmur from your sarcasm detector?

    It isn't just broken. It's fried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You read a post that says so be it if we have to put a kid in a foster home to prevent him being taken from his parents and still not a murmur from your sarcasm detector?

    It isn't just broken. It's fried.
    No. The post I read says
    I agree with the 82%. The parents who let their children play unattended should be thrown in jail, and/or the children should be placed into foster care. It's ridiculously unsafe to leave a child unattended; what would happen if someone just took the child, and was taken from his parents? It's unthinkable.
    People on the internetz say some ridiculous things, like that^^ and worse...you can't assume to know /sarc from /srs these days. People write serious articles in MSM that say things I would consider comical. SMH.
    Last edited by heavenlyboy34; 08-20-2014 at 03:58 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    No, this is serious business. Do you have any idea how many kids are taken from their parents? It's awful and we can't just allow that to happen. If that means we have to place a child into a loving, caring, foster family, to prevent that from happening, so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    People on the internetz say some ridiculous things, like that^^ and worse...you can't assume to know /sarc from /srs these days. People write serious articles in MSM that say things I would consider comical. SMH.
    BXM has been living in snark land lately. Every post is sarcasm. But, ironically, not too far from the sentiment of a large portion of the country.


    I would have liked to have seen a similar poll done 20 years ago. And then 40. And then 60.
    Television warps our sense of reality. We believe the drama that we see. We think there's a boogeyman lurking around every corner and a perv in every bush.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    I wouldn't let my children play in a park unsupervised. In this day and age, that's just bad parenting. Especially with the amount of crazies out there doped up on who knows what medicine.
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    I was playing in a nearby park unsupervised for as early as I can remember.....probably 4 or 5.

    In fact, I was walking to and from kindergarten through that same park, about 3/4 mile one way at that age, unaccompanied, with half of it in the park.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Massachusetts View Post
    I wouldn't let my children play in a park unsupervised. In this day and age, that's just bad parenting. Especially with the amount of crazies out there doped up on who knows what medicine.
    And you base this assertion on what? Media reports? TV shows? Or actual statistics that show the real concern is lower now than it was when we were kids?
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    BXM has been living in snark land lately. Every post is sarcasm. But, ironically, not too far from the sentiment of a large portion of the country.


    I would have liked to have seen a similar poll done 20 years ago. And then 40. And then 60.
    Television warps our sense of reality. We believe the drama that we see. We think there's a boogeyman lurking around every corner and a perv in every bush.
    Good thing I don't own a TV!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    And you base this assertion on what? Media reports? TV shows? Or actual statistics that show the real concern is lower now than it was when we were kids?
    I am basing it 100% off of my own parenting style and concern for my (future) children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Massachusetts View Post
    I am basing it 100% off of my own parenting style and concern for my (future) children.
    Were our parents bad for letting us play unsupervised back when crime was worse?

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    How many people who have responded here actually have kids?

    I agree with the logic of some of the people who choose to supervise their kids . And I grew up in the sticks. There were times that I wouldn't be home for a couple of days but they call it the hollar for a reason. You know? We live in a different world now. And I don't need the news to tell me this. Cripes, half of society today are trustees in modern prescription pharmaceuticals that screw them up in the head to the point they become violent toward themselves and there is an entire industry whose growth demands that it remain this way. I'm not taking a chance. Sorry. Opinions are just going to have to vary.

    And there are a lot of freakin weirdos on the east coast, let me tell you. I never knew that such fools could exist until I moved out of the hills.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 08-20-2014 at 11:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Massachusetts View Post
    I wouldn't let my children play in a park unsupervised. In this day and age, that's just bad parenting. Especially with the amount of crazies out there doped up on who knows what medicine.
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  32. #28
    I say it depends on the park and on the kid, and because it depends on a range of factors there shouldn't be a law about it.

    I'd let my kid play at our local park unsupervised probably around 6 or 7, but not all parks.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I say it depends on the park and on the kid, and because it depends on a range of factors there shouldn't be a law about it.

    I'd let my kid play at our local park unsupervised probably around 6 or 7, but not all parks.
    Of course, some parks I wouldn't play in myself.
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    How many people who have responded here actually have kids?

    I agree with the logic of some of the people who choose to surpervise their kids . And I grew up in the sticks. There were times that I wouldn't be home for a couple of days but they call it the hollar for a reason. You know? We live in a different world now. And I don't need the news to tell me this. Cripes, half of society today are trustees in modern prescription pharmaceuticals that screw them up in the head to the point they become violent toward themselves and there is an entire industry whose growth demands that it remain this way. I'm not taking a chance. Sorry. Opinions are just going to have to vary.

    And there are a lot of freakin weirdos on the east coast, let me tell you. I never knew that such fools could exist until I moved out of the hills.
    I have no kids, but I was one once. I grew up in the suburbs of Phoenix and spent summers in mostly rural-ish Ohio, so I suppose my life experience makes me biased.
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