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    Return of the Anti-War Right

    BSC! McCain called us the Bob Taft wing. One of the few things he's ever gotten right.

    I added the link to the Kauffman piece, since Krayewski was too lazy to check Unz.org for it.

    Return of the Anti-War Right
    Sen. Rand Paul is among those insisting on a less aggressive approach to foreign policy.
    http://reason.com/archives/2014/08/1...anti-war-right

    In the February 1987 issue of reason, Bill Kauffman wrote about the history of the "anti-war capitalists," explaining that while this cohort of activists did not look like the kind of protesters that were most prominent in the "peace movement" of the 1960s, '70s, and even '80s, they could trace their intellectual roots through a long tradition of libertarian anti-war thinking. Kauffman explained that before the era of the left-wing peace movement, opponents of war were "midwestern industrialists and retired military officers, publishing giants and Texas oilmen, or minerals executives and Great Plains farmers."

    That such people once dominated the anti-war movement, Kauffman noted, was "an inconvenient fact that has been consigned to the memory hole by left and right alike." Non-intervention, wrote Kauffman, had become part and parcel of a "grand mosaic of socialism, ecologism, holistic feminism, etc.," ideas that might turn off the majority of ordinary Americans who had, in Kauffman's view, retained a distinctly Jeffersonian view of foreign policy and non-intervention.
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    Anti-war sentiment has made inroads again on the right, which for years has been dominated by hawks. Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.), who has consistently polled near the top of the list of potential 2016 Republican candidates, has made a name for himself in part by insisting on a less aggressive approach to foreign policy, much as his father, former congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul, did before him.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock



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    Well at least until the next GOP POTUS.

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    We keep growing, and growing, and growing! unfortunately not fast enough to save the US of A

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    Well at least until the next GOP POTUS.
    Correct. Unless it's Rand.

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    Bob Taft? Not exactly...most of us aren't isolationists. We may be noninterventionists, but most libertarians are in favor of free markets, not protectionism. And as far as "unless it's Rand"; we'll hopefully get to see if that's right. I'd rather the Judge or Amash, but obviously Rand is more likely.
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    Yes, I want to force consumers to buy trampolines, popcorn, environmental protection and national defense whether or not they really demand them. And I definitely want to outlaw all alternatives. Nobody should be allowed to compete with the state. Private security companies, private healthcare, private package delivery, private education, private disaster relief, private militias...should all be outlawed.
    ^Minimalist state socialism (minarchy) taken to its logical conclusions; communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    Correct. Unless it's Rand.
    You'll probably require a Rand CONgress too.

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    My biggest worries with a Rand presidency: More liberty Senators needed, More liberty House members needed, First term trying to win reelection and not applying Libertarian ideals, and the economy crashing under him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    My biggest worries with a Rand presidency: More liberty Senators needed, More liberty House members needed, First term trying to win reelection and not applying Libertarian ideals, and the economy crashing under him.
    Any excuse will suffice. The official chorus mantra will be: We tried that and it didn't work. Not going to try it again. We really just can't afford to take that risk.
    Since ____________________ is just so critically important.

    It may just turn out to be the exact same tactic for the next black POTUS wannabe.
    Last edited by Ronin Truth; 08-18-2014 at 02:37 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ProIndividual View Post
    Bob Taft? Not exactly...
    Whatever.

    Lucille, please allow me to put your excellent thread back on the rails.


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    'To reduce war taxes is to give every home a better chance... Of all services which the Congress can render to the country I have no hesitation in declaring this one to be paramount.'--Calvin Coolidge
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    `I want you to go to Mexico and become our ambassador.'--Calvin Coolidge

    `Well, what are my instructions?'--Dwight Morrow

    `To keep us out of war with Mexico.'--Calvin Coolidge
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    'If we wish to erect new structures, we must have definite knowledge of the old foundations.'--Calvin Coolidge
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    'Proposals for promoting the peace of the world will have careful consideration. But we are not a people who are always seeking for a sign. We know that peace comes from honesty and fair dealing, from moderation, and a generous regard for the rights of others. The heart of the Nation is more important than treaties.'--Calvin Coolidge
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    'Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong.'--Calvin Coolidge

    'Duty is not collective. It is personal.'--Calvin Coolidge
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    'No nation ever had an army large enough to guarantee it against attack in time of peace, or insure it victory in time of war.--Calvin Coolidge
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    'Little progress can be made by merely attempting to repress what is evil. Our great hope lies in developing what is good.'--Calvin Coolidge
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    'Peace will come when there is realization that only under a reign of law, based on righteousness and supported by the religious conviction of the brotherhood of man, can there be any hope of a complete and satisfying life. Parchment will fail, the sword will fail, it is only the spiritual nature of man that can be triumphant.'--Calvin Coolidge

    'A display of reason rather than a threat of force should be the determining factor in the intercourse among nations.'--Calvin Coolidge
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    'One of the greatest dangers to peace lies in the economic pressure to which people find themselves subjected. One of the most practical things to be done in the world is to seek arrangements under which such pressure may be removed, so that opportunity may be renewed and hope may be revived.--Calvin Coolidge
    I do believe I'll just reiterate one of those...

    'A display of reason rather than a threat of force should be the determining factor in the intercourse among nations.'--Calvin Coolidge

    These from the man considered most responsible for one of the wealthiest decades in the history of this nation, the Roaring 'Twenties--and so conservative that few liberal professors are brave enough to even mention his name.
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    We believe our lying eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    You'll probably require a Rand CONgress too.
    For sure...but maybe if they see him do well, the jerks will at least start pretending.



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