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    Humans Need Not Apply



    How far off are we from this becoming a reality?



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    One of Orient Industry's sex dolls, which they claim reach the next level in developing the perfect artificial girlfriend

    Japan's creepy sex doll industry 'reaches next level' in creation of perfect artificial £1,000 ‘Dutch Wife’ which comes with 'realistic feeling skin'

    Firm Oriental Industry claims the dolls are their most realistic to date
    Come complete with realistic feeling skin and authentic looking eyes
    Sold under the name 'Dutch Wives' and cost just over £1,000 each
    Company say early sales indicate the dolls are a big success
    Read more:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3AFm6g6gg
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    By the 22nd century the labor for wages game will be officially over.

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    New technology doesn't lead to NET job loss over any extended period of time, due to the infinite nature of human want. When technology displaces labor we just move down the list of wants and do the next things on the list...and the list is never-ending. Every generation gets their jobs taken by technology, only to get new jobs in whole new industries. David Ricardo (economist up there with Smith, Bastiat, etc.) called this "labor set free". Sure, it's inconvenient for the workers whose industries were eliminated, but we can't go whining about, or holding back human progress for, a few workers (relatively) being inconvenienced. Should we have worried about the buggy manufacturers and workers when automobiles were invented?

    If you wonder why then the unemployment rate hit a historic low of 2% in the 1920s, then the new normal became 5% for a while, and now the new normal is about 7%, then look no further than the ever-increasing amount of tax, regulation compliance costs, licensing fees, etc. in the economy over the course of those "norm" unemployment increases. As you increase coercion in the markets, they become less efficient and grow slower. The natural cumulative effect of all our increased coercion over the last 100 years OF COURSE led to higher and higher unemployment rates.

    Let's not share our stresses with neo-Luddites. Technology has more a capacity to free us than enslave us or un-employ us (long term). If you don't think that's true, see the TOR, Bitcoin, cryptography, the wealth gained per capita since the automation/technological revolution began, PGP email, the soon to be stable Dark Wallet, soon-to-be-developed Black Phones, hacktivists, etc.

    As far as wage for labor...that could end any time, as we could be paid by percentage instead. I prefer it, frankly. It just means you make more in good times, make less in bad times (but don't face lay-offs as often), and have to learn to budget. It's mostly people's intuitive want to normalize their income for predictability that leads to wages being a social norm. If they were willing to budget and face the swings in the markets that their employers do, they could get paid by percentage and make more over the long haul (and face less lay-offs). And why would employers resist that? They'd have much less pressure to manage workers, as the natural incentive would be to work hard to make more, as percentage pay doesn't reward laziness like per hour wages do (they pay by the time, not by production, per se). If their profits fell so much that pay fell to very small levels, and workers quit for better, it's a sign the business is going under. That kind of norm would make competition for the best labor high, leading to higher pay for better workers, even more so than wage labor does now.
    Last edited by ProIndividual; 08-18-2014 at 01:23 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post

    Yes, I want to force consumers to buy trampolines, popcorn, environmental protection and national defense whether or not they really demand them. And I definitely want to outlaw all alternatives. Nobody should be allowed to compete with the state. Private security companies, private healthcare, private package delivery, private education, private disaster relief, private militias...should all be outlawed.
    ^Minimalist state socialism (minarchy) taken to its logical conclusions; communism.

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    Japan's creepy sex doll industry 'reaches next level' in creation of perfect artificial £1,000 ‘Dutch Wife’ which comes with 'realistic feeling skin'

    Firm Oriental Industry claims the dolls are their most realistic to date
    Come complete with realistic feeling skin and authentic looking eyes
    Sold under the name 'Dutch Wives' and cost just over £1,000 each
    Company say early sales indicate the dolls are a big success
    This is the last thing the Japanese need as their birthrates are in rapid decline.
    They need to be having sex with one another, and not some plastic $#@! doll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProIndividual View Post
    New technology doesn't lead to NET job loss over any extended period of time, due to the infinite nature of human want.
    Which is another way of saying, how matter how better life gets, we'll always hear people complain about unemployment and not having enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcgame View Post


    How far off are we from this becoming a reality?
    This century! 20,000 years of tech progress this century, at the year 2000 rate of tech progress.



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    The real question is when can I download my brain into one of these and live forever? And yes I've been thinking about that long before transcendence came out.

    Quote Originally Posted by francisco View Post

    One of Orient Industry's sex dolls, which they claim reach the next level in developing the perfect artificial girlfriend


    Read more:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3AFm6g6gg

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    Quote Originally Posted by francisco View Post

    One of Orient Industry's sex dolls, which they claim reach the next level in developing the perfect artificial girlfriend


    Read more:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3AFm6g6gg
    So I see that pretty soon, men won't need women around at all. We will be able to build a woman better looking, harder working, perfect in every way. Women won't need men either. The two sexes will just buy their sex dolls when they reach marrying age and donate their sperm and eggs for fertilizing to maintain the population.
    Last edited by DevilsAdvocate; 08-18-2014 at 08:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
    So I see that pretty soon, men won't need women around at all. We will be able to build a woman better looking, harder working, perfect in every way. Women won't need men either. The two sexes will just buy their sex dolls when they reach marrying age and donate their sperm and eggs for fertalizing to maintain the population.
    Anybody who has been subjected to "family court" could easily see logic in this statement....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbauer View Post
    The real question is when can I download my brain into one of these and live forever? And yes I've been thinking about that long before transcendence came out.
    A brain downloaded into a computer would be a farce. Your brain right now is able to grow and morph and adapt and form new spectacular connections, but in a computer it's just a hardwired circuit. You wouldn't really be living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
    A brain downloaded into a computer would be a farce. Your brain right now is able to grow and morph and adapt and form new spectacular connections, but in a computer it's just a hardwired circuit. You wouldn't really be living.
    Never heard of brain emulation? It is being done in mice now. They also give mice snake-senses, like night vision/heat vision with brain implants. The technology is in the toddler stages, but in 50 years or less we are likely to emulate your physical brain in 3-dimensional virtual reality model. Then they will upload your memories into it, and your personality will be preserved by way of the physical emulation and memories together.

    YOU won't live forever physicially...you'll die. But when you die, if you uploaded recently (or updated, like daily) you will be as you were in the last upload. It's a copy of you, and if it can be downloaded into a physical body (cloned or mechanical) then there is no reason it cannot work. They are already doing memory maps for humans using Google glass, and emulating small animals' brains...so it isn't impossible at all. The thing is, you will still die. The copy will live forever.

    The only way to avoid experiencing death as we do now is either part by part replacement of the body as it fails, until we are wholly artificial or made up of regrown parts, OR to use brain emulation to be in two or more places at once under one linked consciousness, and that way when we die, it's like losing one of a few perception windows, but since the others stay open we seamlessly transition as if we never passed away. This could theoretically be done by connecting the emulated and natural brain via a link (like how computers backup in real-time, at all times, in certain security/redundancy methods).

    The entire process of growing and adapting can be simulated...because there is nothing about physical reality that is important to consciousness. There are already experiments proving that people feel pain only when they perceive their own bodies. Those who have used virtual reality to transfer their conscious senses to a simulated self (like in 3rd person video game, but with all senses enveloped by the virtual setting), in experiments, feel no pain in their body, and only feel pain on the simulated self. The "self" is fluid, and not attached to the physical body. Reality is all just a perception...it cannot even be proven (see Einstein's quotes on the subject regarding mathematics and the fact reality cannot be proven via math or anything else).

    For all we know, we are already in a simulated reality (see Descartes "evil demon" thought experiment and the "brain in a vat" thought experiment, not to mention the movie the Matrix). As most great philosophers have pointed out, reality is not provable, and consciousness is not dependent on the physical reality or our own bodies.
    Last edited by ProIndividual; 08-19-2014 at 12:14 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post

    Yes, I want to force consumers to buy trampolines, popcorn, environmental protection and national defense whether or not they really demand them. And I definitely want to outlaw all alternatives. Nobody should be allowed to compete with the state. Private security companies, private healthcare, private package delivery, private education, private disaster relief, private militias...should all be outlawed.
    ^Minimalist state socialism (minarchy) taken to its logical conclusions; communism.

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    Oh Huxley, how I hoped both Orwell and you were wrong; but you were prophets.

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    robots aren't the problem, human greed is and probably why capitalism can't work in the long run. If a company can do something ten times as efficient with robots, they have no incentive to pass the savings onto the customers, so they just bank all the savings. Obviously the solution is for everybody to adopt a robot, pay the robot's power and repair fees, and they get paychecks for the work the robot does
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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    Stepford wife 3.0 anyone?



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    Can we cook our babies in electrical towers like they did in the matrix?

    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
    So I see that pretty soon, men won't need women around at all. We will be able to build a woman better looking, harder working, perfect in every way. Women won't need men either. The two sexes will just buy their sex dolls when they reach marrying age and donate their sperm and eggs for fertilizing to maintain the population.

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    You're right in a sense and wrong. The robot in the video could learn a task and preform it. "When" we surpass binary code ( 0 or 1) and get to code that can be 0, 1 or maybe. We'll have artificial intelligence capable of making new connections.


    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
    A brain downloaded into a computer would be a farce. Your brain right now is able to grow and morph and adapt and form new spectacular connections, but in a computer it's just a hardwired circuit. You wouldn't really be living.

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    Wrong, in a true capitalist society as efficiency went toward infinity price would drop as well. Another company would take up providing the cheap widgets. Now what you're describing is crony capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    robots aren't the problem, human greed is and probably why capitalism can't work in the long run. If a company can do something ten times as efficient with robots, they have no incentive to pass the savings onto the customers, so they just bank all the savings. Obviously the solution is for everybody to adopt a robot, pay the robot's power and repair fees, and they get paychecks for the work the robot does

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