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Big opportunity for positive publicity here at the expense of Rand being cold for a minute. He should challenge some colleagues/celebrities too.
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Shouldn't someone challenge him first?
Some link or context would help explain wtf you are talking about.
There's some kind of cancer awareness type fad going around lately where you film yourself dumping a bucket of ice water on yourself...For awareness.Originally Posted by specsaregood
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terrible idea
Sorry. I thought everyone knew.
http://www.alsa.org/news/archive/als...challenge.html
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Great idea actually. It is a surprisingly popular thing happening right now. Tons of people are doing it including GMs of billion dollar sports franchises. I think it would help him connect as an "everyman" rather than the typical "Washington Elite".
It would be picked up by the media for sure. Free good publicity for helping a charity.
Politicians are getting in on it:
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When 2016 rolls around, and people are in the voting booths, do you think they will be thinking about whether or not Rand dumped ice on his head during a summer 2014 fad? As great as it is to see the money being raised for ALS, I don't think there's a need to do it. I'd rather see him make a very heavy public donation if good PR is what we are looking for.
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Hmm....I did not know that so many politicians had already done it.....including Christie. No need now unless he is directly challenged.
Not consciously.
Doing this places a subconscious image of Rand as a good guy in peoples minds, and it might introduce him to new people as well. Cheap (actually free) PR. Plus for a good cause.
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Some politicians dunk ice water on themselves for charity; Randal spends his weekends off doing freaking pro-bono eye surgery.
Doing it would guarantee coverage on late night shows. Not really any downside to doing something for a good cause that gets you free coverage
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Scott Walker just did it, just heard it on the radio.
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It may not help, but how could it hurt?
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Agreed. Part of me wants to discount this forum at times...worried that the media will watch it too closely...but discussions like this prove that this place is still IT.
It doesn't have the energy of 09-10, but ideas like this are what makes this place awesome.
The ice bucket idea (and related challenges) might be something to employ for future activism events related to pushing legislation, money bombs or a future fundraiser for a good cause. Love it.
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I still don't get it
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Patrick Stewart's was awesome.
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No, he really doesn't. Besides, per the rules of this challenge, you have to be challenged to do it, I believe.
I Think he's supposed to be a ProLife candidate:
Chicago Cubs vice president of baseball operations Theo Epstein is dunked with a bucket of water as part of the ice bucket challenge in awareness for ALS research after the game between the Cubs and Milwaukee Brewers at Wrigley Field, Chicago, Illinois, Aug. 14, 2014.
Some pro-life leaders are declining to participate in the viral "ice bucket challenge" to raise money for the ALS Association's efforts to find a cure for Lou Gehrig's disease.
The ALS Association supports the destruction of human embryos for research, they say, and while finding a cure for a horrible disease is honorable, the ends do not justify the means.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/do...is-why-125177/
I don't think Rand should do it... and I have ALS in my family and a direct tie to the ALS Association.
It's beneath his dignity and a pointless P.R. stunt. If he wants to help people with ALS, raise some cash for them, and I would suggest that cash be earmarked for patient services and NOT research (which is tied up in an embryonic stem cell ethics issue).
I don't see it that way. Doing the ice bucket challenge *does* raise cash. That's the whole point. And, earmarking really doesn't do anything. You can stipulate for your $100 to go to patient services, but then some non-earmarked money which would have gone to patient services will go to stem cell research. The allocation of money doesn't change.
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Millions of people die from lack of water or clean water each year... just sayin.
People waste a lot more water taking showers every day than doing the ice bucket. I suppose we should also point that out when our kids play with water balloons or water guns.
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He should do it, but with DRY ICE!
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Update: Rep. Ted Yoho has challenged Ron and Rand.
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I have to say it's utterly surreal seeing ALSA involved in something that got so popular, after decades of having to explain to people what ALS is.
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