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    Toledo: Don't drink the water!

    http://www.toledoblade.com/local/201...-advisery.html

    Toledo’s public water will remain under a do-not-drink advisory until at least 6 a.m. Sunday pending the return of results from test samples sent out to three different laboratories, Mayor D. Michael Collins said during an evening news conference.

    Results from tests sent to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in Cincinnati and to a state laboratory in Columbus were expected in later today, but test results from Lake Superior State University in Sault Ste. Marie, Mich., won’t be in until Sunday morning, the mayor said.

    City officials also have sent a second sample to U.S. EPA at that agency’s request, Mr. Collins said.

    From those three samples, Mr. Collins said, city officials hope to “triangulate” the condition of Toledo’s treated water, which city tests conducted Friday night and early Saturday indicated is contaminated with microcystin toxin, a product of burgeoning algae blooms on Lake Erie. The result was a water crisis that has affected 500,000 water users in and around Toledo and caused Ohio Gov. John Kasich to declare a state of emergency.

    The data from the two city tests, the mayor said, “is very confusing for everyone” -- a key reason why Toledo has sought outside analysis.

    “We really don’t have a true answer. One set of tests is different from the other,” he said. “...We don’t know for sure these [city] tests are proof positive, but certainly we’re not taking any risks.”

    Mr. Collins was confident, however, that the algae crisis will bring about permanent change in how Lake Erie and other natural resources are managed. He faulted agricultural fertilizer runoff, sewage overflows “up in Michigan,” and other pollution for Toledo’s problem.

    “I don’t believe we’ll ever be back to normal,” the mayor said. “But this is not going to be our new normal. We’re going to fix this. Our city is not going to be abandoned.”

    Water was expected to be available again Sunday at several locations, including Woodmore, Waite, Central Catholic, and Springfield high schools, as well at least two fire stations in Oregon, among other potential locations.

    “I think this is a wake-up call," U.S. Sen. Rob Portman (R., Ohio) said after meeting with an array of officials to discuss the emergency response this afternoon. "We do have a problem with these toxic algal blooms" which affect both drinking water safety and Lake Erie's fishing and tourism industries, he said.

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    The nearby city of Oregon, which also draws its water from Lake Erie, said that its water was safe during a testing today.

    Workers at the city‘*s treatment plant told The Blade during an interview inside the plant’*s laboratory today that they started seeing suspicious resultings at the plant sometime later Friday. The first signs of algae toxins started appearing in early July, but they were not at high levels and they also were treatable, officials said.

    Last summer, Toledo spent an an additional $1 million on chemicals to help protect the city's water supply from Lake Erie's algae.

    Shortly after the bulletin was put online at 2 a.m. today, residents reported empty shelves in water aisles at local grocery stores and carryouts. Water that had been destined for other parts of the state was diverted to northwest Ohio so stores could restock. The National Guard trucked in water from Akron and Piqua, which is north of Dayton. Pre-mixed formula and military meals were delivered to Toledo from Columbus.

    Restaurants in the affected area were urged to close unless they can guarantee no consumption of tap water. Bottled water shipments that were destined to other regions were rerouted to Toledo, said Kroger spokesman Jackie Siekmann.

    The Federal Emergency Management Agency had an emergency-response team on “standby” to respond to Toledo, but would not be dispatched until a gubernatorial request for aid was made, said Steve Fought, an aid to U.S. Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D., Toledo).

    Joe Andrews, Ohio Department of Public Safety spokesman, said the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Corrections had converted its milk-bottling plant near Columbus to package drinking water in large bladders.

    David Grossman, director of the Toledo-Lucas County Health Department, said a safe level of microcystin is 0, but an allowable level is below 1. At the Collins Park plant, water was testing as high as 2.5 parts per million, Dr. Grossman said. As long as the level remains below 20 parts per million, it is safe to shower and bathe. It is OK to drink well water.

    Toledo-area hospitals report more than 100 people came to emergency departments by late afternoon concerned that they drank the water and were feeling ill. ER doctors report that some people came just as a precaution but others displayed symptoms such as upset stomach, dizziness and vomiting.
    Affected communities include:
    Toledo
    Bedford
    Walbridge
    Northwood
    Troy Township
    Perrysburg
    Rossford
    Walbridge
    Lake Township
    Maumee
    Sylvania
    Perrysburg
    Perrysburg Township
    Ottawa Hills
    Erie Township
    Village of Metamora
    Waterville
    Eastern Swan Creek Township
    Village of Whitehouse
    Luna Pier

    Toledo police did not report higher-than-usual call volumes; no major criminal complaints were lodged, although officers did respond to “disturbances” over bottled water and large crowds. Both the Toledo Correctional Institute and the Lucas County jail had enough water to last for several days and also have backup plans should the do-not-drink advisory was extended.

    The mad dash for bottled water started early today forcing Toledo-area residents to search far and wide for drinkable water. People, on social media, reported driving as far as Ypsilanti, Mich., Lima, Ohio, and Angola, Ind.

    When word went out early today that Toledo‘*s tap water was contaminated, Garrett Wieland, of Toledo, heard the news just before 8 a.m. and yelled to his girlfriend not to get in the shower. He then headed out in search of bottled water, ending up a couple blocks from home at the Walgreens at 4580 Monroe St.

    He was among a crowd of shoppers who had heard the store had bottled water available, but found the clerks were selling water that had yet to arrive on a truck from the distribution center south of Toledo. Sales were limited to five cases of 24-ounce water bottles per customer and sold out within minutes.

    “We were lucky to get some,” Mr. Wieland said. “The line was just crazy and things got a little heated in there.”

    Once the entire truckload of water had been pre-sold, the 60 or so customers who were fortunate enough to get some lined up around the store and waited -- at times in the rain -- for the truck to arrive.

    Hope Gonzalez, who lives in the Old West End, also was among the shoppers who waited, sometimes sitting on overturned shopping carts or chairs and milk crates that Walgreens employees brought out from the store.

    “Lesson learned,” Ms. Gonzalez said. “I will always be buying water everytime I go to the store now. We‘*re never getting caught without some water in the house again.”

    About two and a half hours after most shoppers had purchased their cases of water, the truck rolled into the Walgreens parking lot, greeted by applause.

    In and around Toledo, the water crisis was digitally cataloged on social media with #emptyglasscity, which became a nationally trending topic before noontime. To document the random acts of kindness, the folks behind TedxToledo promoted the use of #fullglasscity. Each hashtag is a play on the city's nickname, Glass City.

    The Village of Pioneer in western Williams County made one of the most generous offers of the day: they will make 600,000 of gallons of potable water available every 24 hours. Those interested must bring their own trucks, containers, or bottles to 409 First St. in the village.

    People from outside the impacted area worked their way to Toledo, including a small caravan from Lima bringing 40 cases and 18 gallon jugs of water to give away at a water-distribution event at Central Catholic High School.

    Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/local/201...ZgSwwD7xP5D.99
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    Does a Berkey water filter catch the microcystin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr33 View Post
    Does a Berkey water filter catch the microcystin?
    Found this quote on another board:

    "At this time, we haven’t have data for Microcystin. It is a toxin produced by the bacteria. So even though the Black Berkey Elements can remove 99.9999% of bacteria, we cannot be certain it will remove this toxin. Therefore, we cannot recommend using the Berkey Elements to filter water contaminated with Microcystin."
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    distillation

    maybe reverse osmosis?
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    Michigan water is disgusting, at least in the lower half. Even the well water smells like garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tod View Post
    distillation

    maybe reverse osmosis?
    Distillation and RO would probably be the safest route, especially for children and the elderly.

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    David Grossman, director of the Toledo-Lucas County Health Department, said a safe level of microcystin is 0, but an allowable level is below 1. At the Collins Park plant, water was testing as high as 2.5 parts per million, Dr. Grossman said. As long as the level remains below 20 parts per million, it is safe to shower and bathe. It is OK to drink well water.
    Hmmm...I wonder how many people over the years were forced off well water when "city water" lines made it to their homes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tod View Post
    distillation?
    My worry would be, does this toxin evaporate and then condense with the water? If so, distillation wouldn't do any good.

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    Flashback:

    WATER FILTRATION TECHNIQUE REMOVES DANGEROUS FRESHWATER ALGAE TOXINS

    COLUMBUS , Ohio – A water filtration technique that normally cleans up agricultural chemicals is also effective at removing a toxin secreted by algae found in lakes and rivers, an Ohio State University study has found.

    Engineers here determined that the technique greatly outperformed other methods by removing at least 95 percent of a toxin secreted by Microcystis, a blue-green algae.

    Some water filtration plants around the country already use the technique, which couples activated carbon with membrane filters, said Hal Walker, associate professor of civil and environmental engineering and geodetic science at Ohio State .

    Microcystis is native to freshwater lakes and rivers around the country, and secretes toxins that can cause liver damage in animals including humans. Worsening environmental pollution in Lake Erie during the last decade has caused algal blooms, the most recent of which began this August.

    Some 13 million people rely on Lake Erie for their water supply, so Microcystis is a growing concern there, Walker said. But dangerous algal blooms have occurred across the country this summer, from Massachusetts to California .

    And while many water filtration plants are beginning to use high-tech ultrafiltration membranes with very fine holes to filter water, Microcystin toxins are small enough to slip through. For example, the toxin used in this study was microcystin-lr, a tiny molecule made up of only seven amino acids.

    The study will appear in the journal Environmental Science & Technology, and has been published in advance on the journal's Web site.

    Rather than invent a new technology for filtering microcystin-lr, Walker and his colleagues decided to test whether combining activated carbon with membrane filters would do the trick. That technology has already proven effective for removing herbicides and pesticides from drinking water.

    "This toxin is an organic molecule, and we knew that activated carbon is good at removing organics," Walker said, "so we coupled the carbon with membranes. Together, they provide a way for water treatment plants to remove the toxin by basically upgrading the membrane system they already have."

    Water treatment plants that already had membranes in place could add carbon to their systems without purchasing new equipment, he added.

    Activated carbon is a highly porous form of charcoal that sticks to organic molecules. It's often used to filter water and clean up environmental spills, and it's even administered to poison victims to clean toxins from the digestive tract.

    The engineers combined the active carbon with three different commercially available membrane filters to remove microcystin-lr from samples of Lake Erie drinking water. Each combination produced good results: one removed 95 percent of the toxin, one removed 97 percent, and the other removed 99 percent. Without the carbon, even the most effective ultrafiltration membrane removed only 78 percent of the toxin.

    This is the first time this technique has been used to remove an algal toxin, and Walker cautioned that more research needs to be done before commercial water treatment plants could adopt it wholesale.

    "Microcystis secretes a whole range of toxins, and we only looked at the one we thought would be the most important for health reasons," he said. "Then there's a whole host of other toxic algae that secrete their own toxins. And we don't know if there are synergistic effects between the toxins. Still, I suspect this technology would be pretty effective for all these toxins."

    He would like to start a pilot project with a water treatment plant that uses membrane filters, ideally to test the system during an algal bloom.

    This work was funded by the Ohio Sea Grant. PICA USA, Inc., of Columbus, OH, provided the powdered activated carbon.

    http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/microtox.htm
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    I only drink beer in Toledo , at the Maumee Bay Brew Pub in the main ballroom at the old Oliver House.

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    why should we listen to the government? they're just lying to us so they can help sell bottled water!

    what's the big deal, it's not the first time somebody went a weekend without drinking water.

    guess what? people lived for thousands of years without running water, why should we suddenly get our panties in a bunch now?

    besides, you don't need to drink water to survive, just ask NorthCarolinaLiberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    besides, you don't need to drink water to survive, just ask NorthCarolinaLiberty.
    LOL. Still can't figure out was that post was all about, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    LOL. Still can't figure out was that post was all about, eh?
    Do you or do you not need to drink water, simple question.



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    Drink Brawndo - it's got electrolytes

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    Do you or do you not need to drink water, simple question.
    I already told you that you can get all your nutrition from rocks. What is so hard to understand about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    I already told you that you can get all your nutrition from rocks. What is so hard to understand about that?
    Rocks are hard to understand.

    So do you need to drink water or not? just answer the simple question.

    If not, just tell Toledo to chill the $#@! out. If so, too bad, sucks to be them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    So do you need to drink water or not? just answer the simple question.
    LOL. The issue in that thread was how long a person could go without drinking water and my experience with that. You didn't know anything about the issue and had to look up a wikipedia article and post it.

    You know, if you're going to take the offensive against me, then you'll need some actual material.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    LOL. The issue in that thread was how long a person could go without drinking water and my experience with that. You didn't know anything about the issue and had to look up a wikipedia article and post it.

    You know, if you're going to take the offensive against me, then you'll need some actual material.
    how long a person can go without drinking water, means a person can't go forever without drinking water. So just tell Toledo they can go as long as you do without drinking water, I'm sure it'll be resolved long before then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    how long a person can go without drinking water, means a person can't go forever without drinking water. So just tell Toledo they can go as long as you do without drinking water, I'm sure it'll be resolved long before then.
    I'm not sure what this argument is about, but you could probably go quite a while without drinking water if you ate a diet with a lot of watermelon, cucumber, celery and other fruits/vegetables with high water content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    how long a person can go without drinking water, means a person can't go forever without drinking water.
    That's really profound.



    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    If not, just tell Toledo to chill the $#@! out. If so, too bad, sucks to be them.
    Not really. The manicured lawn city dwellers can just continue to blame farmers for their fertilizer runoff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    I'm not sure what this argument is about, but you could probably go quite a while without drinking water if you ate a diet with a lot of watermelon, cucumber, celery and other fruits/vegetables with high water content.
    yeah, so tell Toledo and California and whoever complains about water being poisoned with fluoride to do exactly that! What's so important about clean water?!



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    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    yeah, so tell Toledo and California and whoever complains about water being poisoned with fluoride to do exactly that! What's so important about clean water?!
    What is wrong with all you Ron Paul voters? I'm going to drink watermelon juice?! How will I get my fluoride if my government does not provide it? Haven't you read the constitution? It allows for welfare, and that means my constitutional right to strong teeth!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    What is wrong with all you Ron Paul voters? I'm going to drink watermelon juice?! How will I get my fluoride if my government does not provide it? Haven't you read the constitution? It allows for welfare, and that means my constitutional right to strong teeth!
    Don't worry, chemtrails contain fluoride too. Or can you swallow toothpaste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    Don't worry, chemtrails contain fluoride too.
    As long as the government is providing it in some form. That's their job.
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