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You're a rank amateur. Here you are uniting Catholics, Protestants and Jews. A good troll would atleast get the Protestants and the Catholics bickering-- that's easy. A troll genius would get someone to make a derogatory slur against one of the groups-- Getting someone to make an over the top anti-Semitic statement is the Holy Grail in the kingdom of the troll. And in this thread, it was here on a silver platter and you dropped it.
This is speaking as someone who loved "visiting" neocon forums and posing very militant neocon and setting off fights, but I put my trolling behind me step by step, one day at a time. It isn't easy, but oh, those were the days...
Last edited by RJB; 07-30-2014 at 03:42 PM.
Since when?
They were well known at the time of Christ.. And quoted by writers of the new testament.
They are not considered "canon" by most.. (i find them quite interesting) and were rejected By the Jews at some point..but were apparently known as scripture in Christs time.
And one other point,, in regards to the piece posted by the OP.
The Kabalah was long after the Rejection of the Messiah.. it is something created and adopted on the middle ages, a rather late development.
I would also point out,, that Judaism,, is a dead religion.
There is no Ark of Covenant. God does no longer live among them.
There is no priesthood offering sacrifice and burnt offerings.. has not been for 2000 years.
The Law is not followed.
The whole purpose of the people was to bring Christ, the Messiah, and that being fulfilled, it serves no further purpose.
What remains is empty ritual,, and perverted purpose (Zionism)
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Ogilthorpe is the code word for him. Here is a hidden camera recording of a secret chat among those who frequent the RPFs' "Peace through Religion" forum about his return.
Warning F-bombs (I think that was HB dropping them):
Last edited by RJB; 07-30-2014 at 07:28 PM.
Do Jews Believe in Satan? The Jewish View of Satan
By Ariela Pelaia
Satan is a character that appears in the belief systems of many religions, including Christianity and Islam. In Judaism "satan" is not a sentient being but a metaphor for the evil inclination – the yetzer hara – that exists in every person and tempts us to do wrong.
Satan As A Metaphor for the Yetzer HaRa
The Hebrew word "satan" literally means "adversary" and in Jewish thought one of the things we struggle against every day is the "evil inclination," also known as the yetzer hara. The yetzer hara is not a force or a being, but rather refers to mankind's innate capacity for doing evil in the world. Using the term satan to describe this impulse is not very common though. (The "good inclination" is called the yetzer hatov.)
References to "satan" can be found in some Orthodox and Conservative prayer books, but they are viewed as symbolic descriptions of one aspect of mankind's nature.
References to Satan in the Hebrew Bible
Satan appears as a proper character only once in the Hebrew Bible. In the Book of Job he is depicted as an angel who mocks the piety of a righteous man named Job. He tells God that the only reason Job is so religious is because God has given him a life filled with blessings. "But lay Your hand upon all that he has, and he will curse You to Your face" (Job 1:11). God accepts Satan’s wager and allows Satan to rain all manner of misfortune upon Job: his sons and daughters die, he loses his fortune, he is afflicted with painful boils. Yet even though people tell Job to curse God, he refuses. Throughout the book Job demands that God tell him why all of things horrible things are happening to him but God does not answer until chapter 38. "Where were you when I established the world?" God asks Job, "Tell me, if you know so much" (Job 38:3-4). Job is humbled and admits that he has spoken of things he does not understand.
The Book of Job grapples with the difficult question of why God allows evil in the world. It is the only book in the Hebrew Bible that mentions "satan" as a sentient being. The idea of satan has a being with dominion over a metaphysical realm never caught on in Judaism. Judaism is so strictly monotheistic that the rabbis resisted the temptation to characterize anyone other than God with authority. Rather, God is the Creator of both good and evil and it is up to mankind to choose which path they will follow.
http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismb...eliefsatan.htm
I don't know why these people think that Judaism (as practiced by Jews) is some sort of antithesis to Christianity. Satan is a scarce name, only really relevant in old midrashim, we really don't care all that much about Christians, and all this "LOOK AT THE WORDS! WHAT DO THEY MEAN," bull $#@! commits various intellectual fallacies. Hell, these people don't even know a single thing about Judaism:
"Jewish prayers are conducted in Yiddish, a composite language far from the intended pronunciation of the original Hebrew."
The latter part is right (I'm one of those nerds that like to pronounce the 3ayin), but almost no tefilot are spoken in Yiddish (and no formal and completely necessary prayers are in Yiddish as well). The vast majority of prayers are in Hebrew and must be spoken in Hebrew (though saying them in the common language is acceptable if one cannot read Hebrew). There are a few prayers, mostly halachically non-required, that are written in Aramaic (a sister language to Hebrew); but, I never see, in the context of a liturgy, any prayers being spoken in Yiddish, not even in chassidic circles.
Why? Why on earth? A good education never kept anyone from making any mistakes at all. Never kept anyone from lying, either. And even from the mouths of babes come gems.
It wouldn't, if (as was alleged) they call Lucifer god. So as a logical disproof, this statement is a major fail.
A wiser idea, to be sure.
In your experience it really depends on who is nasty first. The only reason you think otherwise is you have eyes but do not see.
And, no, slicing, dicing and gutting another person's arguments is not automatically considered 'nastiness'. No matter how much that person wants to believe in those arguments and their validity.
I don't disagree with you about Judaism. I reject it as a Christian. I even believe it's Satanic. But that is judging it from my Christian perspective. To claim that Jews themselves consciously consider their own religion Satanic, as the OP claims, is false, and either ridiculously ignorant or ridiculously deceptive.
This is a statement. It could be a statement of fact. It could be a statement of faith. What it is not is an effective, logical refutation of something.
You implied you might provide us one of those. I was merely inviting you to begin at any time, if that really was your intent.
Critical thinking is a boon to my Christian faith, not a detriment.
Where are the people who are prepared to stand by and defend anything in the OP?
Will anybody?
If not, then I don't see what the issue is. We all agree that it's garbage and can move on.
Not until the underlying thesis is disproven, it isn't. The substitute for logic you're using doesn't work for me. You're building on sand.
Let's try this:
Christianity: Jesus is Lord
Islam: Jesus is a vital and unmeasurably important prophet
Modern Judaism: Jesus, if He existed at all, was merely a rabble-rouser and troublemaker.
Now explain to me--logically--how modern Judaism is Godly and the basis of Islam is Luciferian.
God gave us eyes to see and brains to think with. We'll never ward off the false prophets among us if we don't learn to use them.
Do you really think Zionism is really a sect of Judaism that Jesus the King of the Jews would lay claim to?
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