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I'm a moderator, and I'm glad to help. But I'm an individual -- my words come from me. Any idiocy within should reflect on me, not Ron Paul, and not Ron Paul Forums.
Yea by some people's logic, couldn't Shuerer just be making Rand's positions on Ukraine and Israel all that more believable to the neo-con crowd by speaking out against him? I guess the problem with reverse psychology is you never actually end up knowing what someone is truly thinking until the end.
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"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Not every1 can see what we see. When I was 15, I was already skeptical of Rand.
At this point most libertarians that don't support Rand won't. Most of them don't even vote anyways. They are virtually useless and a lot of them encompass the liberty whiners. If we can't get Rand, I don't expect any1 better. In fact, I don't know a single person better.
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At this point, Rand Paul putting his foot in his mouth on frequent occasion will cause more and more to become annoyed. A couple years, you might be surprised at the final show of support.
But instead of working to correct the issues "we'll" just bury our heads, and write off the absurdity and incongruity in his message/approach/beliefs. The last hope of no hope and you think his half-assed words are going to appease anyone that matters?
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Or maybe he is. When Rand's 2016 opponents try to hurt him with GOP primary voters by claiming "he's no different than his crazy old dad," being able to point to things like this will be politically helpful.
Or course, if Scheuer's being sincere here, that would be a disappointment.
“Do you not know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed?” - Oxenstiern
Violence will not save us. Let us love one another, for love is from God.
Imagine there's a guy you think is good on some things but wrong on the most important thing. You are a blunt, sincere individual who doesn't mince words. You have a blog. Would you be very critical of that person on the most important thing? Would you expect others who don't think it's the most important thing to be annoyed?
Let Michael be Michael, let Rand be Rand.
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Well, I guess Scheuer won't be getting that Secretary of State position. :P
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Thomas Massie.
It may be, but the thing is, he's not going to just magically improve when he gets into the White House. What you see is what you are going to get, unless the Presidency corrupts him (which I think is a realistic possibility, considering how badly he seems to want it.) Look, I don't doubt that Rand may personally believe that Ron is right on the issues, but it doesn't actually matter. As President, he isn't actually going to bring all the troops home and end all foreign interventions.
I'm bored at this point. Mind you, not hostile, just bored. I'd like it if Rand won. But I don't think Rand won is actually going to solve our country's significant problems the way Ron winning would have. Rand would probably make the soft tyranny we now live under a bit more bearable, not take significant steps to eliminate it.
And honestly, I think Rand might actually be bad in the sense that, I think this government really needs to crumble, and a halfway decent person like Rand in office might prevent that from happening as quickly as it needs to. Rand Paul might be the very thing that is supposed to make certain people complacent.
I will probably be living in Virginia in 2016. Since I'll be in a swing state, I intend to give Rand my vote in 2016 (If he wins the primary). I'll be a team player here in the hopes that my pessimism is wrong. But, I'm not necessarily thrilled either. And there will be a rhetorical limit beyond which I'm not willing to tolerate. If Rand really is taking complex strategic maneuvers here, he is calculating the possibility of losing people like me into his plan and taking that into account. I trust Rand's intelligence that much. In fact, he may well want to lose the an-caps, they probably "make him look bad". If that's the case, I'll happily stop supporting him.
The only reason I voted for Ron Paul is PRECISELY because he didn't play the game, and he changed the nation because of it. Rand is obviously different, but I don't expect Rand to get nearly the support from the Liberty movement as Ron for exactly this reason. We don't want a politician, we want a statesman and someone who will tell the truth AT ALL COSTS.
-Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
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- Diogenes of SinopeIt is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
You might be surprised. I think there is a good chance he will..
I know that there is ZERO chance that Jeb Bush or Christie or Hillary will do so.
First off a President can only do so much. I mean they can do a lot, but really the Congress is where most of the decisions are made.
Secondly, if you're bored, then get active on the state and local level. Take over your city council or your county commission or state legislature.
That is absurd.... wishing havoc on the entire nation instead of working to reverse course?
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
I'm not holding my breath, but I hope you are right.
Understood. And if your point that you are trying to prove is that Rand is better than those guys, I don't see why you are wasting your time because that's fairly obvious. There's a reason I say I'm somewhat bored with Rand rather than being downright repulsed like I am with the guys above, or even Ted Cruz.I know that there is ZERO chance that Jeb Bush or Christie or Hillary will do so.
True in many respects.First off a President can only do so much. I mean they can do a lot, but really the Congress is where most of the decisions are made.And how would I go about doing those things?Secondly, if you're bored, then get active on the state and local level. Take over your city council or your county commission or state legislature.
I don't think our government crumbling would lead to "havoc." But ,i think things likely do have to get worse before they get better, considering how deep the hole is.That is absurd.... wishing havoc on the entire nation instead of working to reverse course?
Sooooo.... your prescription for success is for a candidate to 'play the game' and pander to whatever base(s) he/she needs to win and to even not be entirely truthful at times, just so long as the ends justify the means and they get elected, then hope they do what YOU think the MIGHT do?
No thanks.
I'd rather support someone who speaks truth to power and puts a premium on personal integrity. Did not the Ron Paul campaigns change the freaking world?? Do you remember how fired up the country was when he was out there TELLING IT LIKE IT IS? Rand may fare better in the polls by 'playing their game' but he will never fire up the support his father did because of it. No one will be standing in freezing temps holding "RAND PAUL CURED MY APATHY" signs. No one will be making youtube vids of Rand that inspire millions of activists. No one will be making movies and documentaries about the "Rand Paul r3v0lution"....
Catch my drift?
Don't misunderstand.... if he's the nominee, I will vote for Rand. I'm just making a point.
-Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
Author of, War is a Racket!
- Diogenes of SinopeIt is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
Would you be interested in the idea of turning a town or county libertarian?
Yeah. What I find interesting is that the the actual words and phrases that have inflamed many people were spoken by the interviewer in the questions, and not by Rand. Rand's answers were much more "moderate", and tended to change the subject away from the actual meaning of the questions.
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