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    Michael Scheuer goes after Rand

    http://non-intervention.com/1288/ene...and-rand-paul/

    And then there is Rand Paul, another first-term politician who mistakenly believes — like Obama — that he has the talent and experience to be president. Because of his father’s vast negative experience with the uniformly pro-Israel U.S. media and the much-censored American political system that pro-Israel Americans have corrupted, he has eagerly sold out out to the Israel-Firsters and the bipartisan interventionists. Siding with both, Rand Paul has supported U.S. and European involvement in the Ukraine, sponsored the “Stand With Israel Act” in Congress, and, generally, has done nothing that will help prevent future U.S. intervention in wars in which we have nothing at stake — like Israel-vs-Palestine. I seem to recall that Mr. Paul attended the Kentucky Derby with Rupert Murdoch, who may well have advised him that Israel is more important than U.S. security and American lives. And one has to believe Mr. Paul has since met with Roger Ailes and other FOX NEWS senior managers and got briefed on how he must behave and speak, and who he can publicly associate with, if he is to avoid being ignored by FOX as his father was to America’s detriment. I guess Rand Paul is proof that the apple sometimes does fall pretty far from the tree.

    Finally, I do owe Senator Paul a thank you. He recently was criticized for having a non-interventionist book list — described as anti-Israeli by his critics — on his website and, magically, it disappeared almost immediately. Among the books on the list was one of mine, and I can only say how delighted I am to no longer have a place on Senator Paul’s website. As long as Senator Paul is marching in lockstep — or is it goose step? — with the Israel Firsters and against America, he and I have far different national security concerns and, even more, far different national allegiances.



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    I'm waiting to see how Rand votes on actual interventionist/Israel bills, not what his tv rhetoric is. If there's one thing that should be understood by now it's that what politicians say doesn't matter much, it's what they do that matters. Of course I'd like to hear Rand shred the warmongers like Ron did but it's apples and oranges at this point.
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    Scheurer is apparently not as smart as I thought he was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Scheurer is apparently not as smart as I thought he was.
    He's entitled to his opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Scheurer is apparently not as smart as I thought he was.
    He's smarter. Because he's making sure Rand's feet are being held to the fire.

    Let's not forget:
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    And Mark Levin has been attacking Ron Paul (and his "ilk") for a week now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    And Mark Levin has been attacking Ron Paul (and his "ilk") for a week now.
    Mark Levin has always hated "us", and Ron Paul for all I know.
    He words and his actions, are enough for me on that.
    Michael Scheuer was one of the first to stand up with Ron after the South Carolina debate, and defend Ron on foreign policy.

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    Siding with both, Rand Paul has supported U.S. and European involvement in the Ukraine, sponsored the “Stand With Israel Act” in Congress
    If Mr.Scheuer can't see what game Randal is really playing with that bill then he hasn't thought about it too deeply. I'm guessing this is just some showmanship from Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Scheurer is apparently not as smart as I thought he was.
    That's it. Scheuer is dead to me. I only need Collins opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Scheurer is apparently not as smart as I thought he was.
    Sure he is. Just like a lot of us, he's guardedly skeptical and not convinced any politician is different from another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zbro90 View Post
    Scheuer is just another tin foil hat ragamuffin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    If Mr.Scheuer can't see what game Randal is really playing with that bill then he hasn't thought about it too deeply.
    That's the thing, Rand was trying to cut foreign aid to Palestine, and that angered AIPAC. It's like when Rand said we should help Europe, but make them pay for it. In other words, sell them stuff.
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    Scheuer is much too harsh, but Rand has been straying a bit too much. aid to Ukraine has no political advantage, and Israel is increasingly unpopular. Murdoch might tolerate Rand, but will never support him. not just because of Israel but SOPA

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I'm waiting to see how Rand votes on actual interventionist/Israel bills, not what his tv rhetoric is. If there's one thing that should be understood by now it's that what politicians say doesn't matter much, it's what they do that matters. Of course I'd like to hear Rand shred the warmongers like Ron did but it's apples and oranges at this point.
    He's going to vote for bills that fund Israel. He's already made that clear. I don't see why people think he would actually vote against those bills. He's not going to be on the losing side of a 99-1 vote and give his opponents in the GOP primary ammunition. You would see that in ads all over Iowa. And I'm not defending the policy, but it's just what Rand is going to do when you consider that his main goal is to win the GOP nomination, even if he has to abandon libertarian/non interventionist principles on some issues.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    He's going to vote for bills that fund Israel. He's already made that clear. I don't see why people think he would actually vote against those bills. He's not going to be on the losing side of a 99-1 vote and give his opponents in the GOP primary ammunition. You would see that in ads all over Iowa. And I'm not defending the policy, but it's just what Rand is going to do when you consider that his main goal is to win the GOP nomination, even if he has to abandon libertarian/non interventionist principles on some issues.
    I just wonder what he would do as president.

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    Michael Scheuer was spot-on.

    Rand does seem like he's selling out to the neocons/zionists (one in the same).

    How else does one interpret his support for Russian sanctions and Israeli actions against Gaza?

    On these subjects, he sounds no different than John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFF View Post
    How else does one interpret his support for Russian sanctions and Israeli actions against Gaza?

    On these subjects, he sounds no different than John McCain and Lindsey Graham.
    It's the non interventionist position to say that Israel has the right to defend themselves, that our government shouldn't tell Israel that they can't defend their homeland and their people. Rand is correct on that. But sanctions on Russia certainly violate non interventionist principles.

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    Maybe appropriate here?

    How come the Rand Paul subreddit has hardly any posters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
    I just wonder what he would do as president.
    And that is the trillion dollar question which many, both our allies and enemies, are asking themselves.

    I have no idea what pressures Rand Paul is facing now, nor Michael Scheuer for that matter. But I do know that the time left for this nation seems to be very short, and the prospects of global war are reaching critical levels. The goal right now is to win the nomination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    He's going to vote for bills that fund Israel. He's already made that clear. I don't see why people think he would actually vote against those bills. He's not going to be on the losing side of a 99-1 vote and give his opponents in the GOP primary ammunition. You would see that in ads all over Iowa. And I'm not defending the policy, but it's just what Rand is going to do when you consider that his main goal is to win the GOP nomination, even if he has to abandon libertarian/non interventionist principles on some issues.
    I'm not going to speculate on what Rand will or won't do. I'm going to watch what he does, as he does it, and judge from there. His votes on binding laws are what matters to me, not rhetoric or votes on powerless resolutions and other "show" bills.
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    Ron Paul is the only reason I recognize the name Michael Scheuer, and now he is getting pissy at Rand for taking his book off of a list on his site? Real class act...

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    Scheuer is playing bad israeli cop. Rand is playing good israeli cop.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEsq View Post
    Ron Paul is the only reason I recognize the name Michael Scheuer, and now he is getting pissy at Rand for taking his book off of a list on his site? Real class act...
    Translation: You didn't know $#@! before Ron Paul, and now you have really don't know what to believe, having not really followed up on Ron Paul's reading lists...

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    If Rand Paul fails miserably with his run for President, can we agree to give up on national politics and work towards alternative solutions? (e.g., secession..)

    Just throwing that out there, again.
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    Scheuer like many who have been elevated in the last 7 years is worried about the number of "hits" he is getting

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    same here for me. im waiting to see if hes just "playing their game" until he wins it all.
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I'm waiting to see how Rand votes on actual interventionist/Israel bills, not what his tv rhetoric is. If there's one thing that should be understood by now it's that what politicians say doesn't matter much, it's what they do that matters. Of course I'd like to hear Rand shred the warmongers like Ron did but it's apples and oranges at this point.

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    no, hes right on the money i think. but rand is playing the game im hoping.
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Scheurer is apparently not as smart as I thought he was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    If Rand Paul fails miserably with his run for President, can we agree to give up on national politics and work towards alternative solutions? (e.g., secession..)

    Just throwing that out there, again.
    I doubt it. We're facing a wave of insanity.

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