Jury awards Jesse Ventura $1.8 million from Chris Kyle estate

[dannno]

I lost a fight...goonnaa sue you duude...Was Ventura's name mentioned in the book?
I don't think it was...

He should've dropped this lawsuit the second he learned Kyle was dead...
I guiess he needs the cash for his "off-the-grid" lifestyle...

Pretty much everything you just posted is wrong.

Ventura did not lose in a fight, that's the whole point. Chris Kyle made it up to make him look bad and to have a story for his book that he made a lot of money on. If he had made Jesse Ventura up and said it was just some random guy in the bar, it would have been dishonest but nobody could have sued him. But he chose to name him.

[William Tell]

A quote from a Jessie Ventura interview you posted. But where does the insurance company get its money? It is included in the prices of things we buy and the insurance premiums we pay. Would you extend that to medical costs as well- "the insurance company will pay- not the consumers or the doctors" though it adds to the costs of healthcare.

Who cares? not I.

[donnay]

Great, hopefully they will stop insuring murderers for hire so cheaply.

Hey don't forget Chris Kyle's business of training law enforcement and mercenaries too. Craft International.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

i think lying about something and making money at somebody else's expense are 2 different things

[mad cow]

The insurance company should have stayed the hell away from a liar like Kyle. Their job is to calculate risks and they still went ahead and insured him? Sorry but they took a chance and lost, such is life.

The insurance company and the editors at the publishing company might have accepted the risk of some dude named 'Scruff Face' suing them,Ventura is not mentioned in the book and I would wager that they would have not acceded to that risk.
They are blameless.

[LibertyEsq]

Who cares? not I.

It is my personal belief that insurance is always a bad bet for the consumer, otherwise insurance companies wouldn't make a profit. However, that doesn't change the fact that people are in effect being deprived a more efficiently priced version of the product because juries have a tendency to award big sums when they get the feeling there may be an insurance company paying. Classic case of tyranny of the majority.

[William Tell]

It is my personal belief that insurance is always a bad bet for the consumer, otherwise insurance companies wouldn't make a profit. However, that doesn't change the fact that people are in effect being deprived a more efficiently priced version of the product because juries have a tendency to award big sums when they get the feeling there may be an insurance company paying. Classic case of tyranny of the majority.

I don't like insurance at all. But the reason they exist, is to pay out money in situations like this. Of course, they are making a killing off everyone anyway. For people to be complaining that an insurance group has to pay out less than 2 million is ludicrous. It is their job to do so.

[donnay]

The insurance company and the editors at the publishing company might have accepted the risk of some dude named 'Scruff Face' suing them,Ventura is not mentioned in the book and I would wager that they would have not acceded to that risk.
They are blameless.

[LibertyEsq]

I don't like insurance at all. But the reason they exist, is to pay out money in situations like this. Of course, they are making a killing off everyone anyway. For people to be complaining that an insurance group has to pay out less than 2 million is ludicrous. It is their business.

It's their business to pay out sensible sums; otherwise premiums are artificially inflated...it's the jury's job to dole out fair sums, when in actuality they too often act on emotion/whichever side put on the best show.

Reminds me of something...oh yeah, democracy

[mad cow]

I didn't watch the videos yet.Is that the CEO of the publishing company or the representative of the insurance company in the videos?

[donnay]

It is my personal belief that insurance is always a bad bet for the consumer, otherwise insurance companies wouldn't make a profit. However, that doesn't change the fact that people are in effect being deprived a more efficiently priced version of the product because juries have a tendency to award big sums when they get the feeling there may be an insurance company paying. Classic case of tyranny of the majority.

Well try driving around just south of the border with a new car when an illegal immigrant wrecks your car. Insurance is there to insure you will be reimbursed if such an event were to happen.

[LibertyEsq]

You can tell he's lying just by the sniff in the second video. Not even a good liar.

And he looks down at his hands right when Bill says it...pretty obvious body language there

[donnay]

I didn't watch the videos yet.Is that the CEO of the publishing company or the representative of the insurance company in the videos?

No that is the liar who went around the circuit naming Jesse Ventura as: "Old scruff face. "

[William Tell]

I didn't watch the videos yet.Is that the CEO of the publishing company or the representative of the insurance company in the videos?

Neither, it is Chris Kyle.

[LibertyEsq]

Well try driving around just south of the border with a new car when an illegal immigrant wrecks your car. Insurance is there to insure you will be reimbursed if such an event were to happen.

Say there is a 5% chance of that happening. If I pay $1k/year in premiums for driving a $10k car for 20 years, That will happen to me once in my car's lifetime. I could buy 2 cars for the price of my premiums, but when it happens i only get $10k back.

This is obviously an exaggeration compared to most situations, but it's generally the business model of insurance. It's like a casino, you are betting against the insurance company that your car will be wrecked, but the game is always rigged in their favor

[donnay]

Say there is a 5% chance of that happening. If I pay $1k/year in premiums for driving a $10k car for 20 years, That will happen to me once in my car's lifetime. I could buy 2 cars for the price of my premiums, but when it happens i only get $10k back.

This is obviously an exaggeration compared to most situations, but it's generally the business model of insurance. It's like a casino, you are betting against the insurance company that your car will be wrecked, but the game is always rigged in their favor

As you put it: "Classic case of tyranny of the majority." Big Corporations and Big Government have us over a barrel.

Look, I am in a state that does not require automobile insurance. I hear you. But the fact of the matter is, insurance is needed in the society that we live in. Like or it not. Government is even letting in more illegals and they will eventually make it up to my state, if not already here. So I have insurance.

[Zippyjuan]

As you put it: "Classic case of tyranny of the majority." Big Corporations and Big Government have us over a barrel.

Look, I am in a state that does not require automobile insurance. I hear you. But the fact of the matter is, insurance is needed in the society that we live in. Like or it not. Government is even letting in more illegals and they will eventually make it up to my state, if not already here. So I have insurance.

You are much more likely to be in an accident involving a citizen.

[LibertyEsq]

As you put it: "Classic case of tyranny of the majority." Big Corporations and Big Government have us over a barrel.

Look, I am in a state that does not require automobile insurance. I hear you. But the fact of the matter is, insurance is needed in the society that we live in. Like or it not. Government is even letting in more illegals and they will eventually make it up to my state, if not already here. So I have insurance.

Even if you think there is a high chance of your car getting trashed, the insurance company is factoring in that risk in order to make sure they make a profit at the end of the day, at your expense. But to each his own. I think we can agree though from your post that government-forced purchase of insurance is egregious.

[mad cow]

No that is the liar who went around the circuit naming Jesse Ventura as: "Old scruff face. "

Was this before or after the book was published?The insurance company signed off on Kyle beating up 'Scruff Face',not Jesse or Mike Tyson.

[William Tell]

Say there is a 5% chance of that happening. If I pay $1k/year in premiums for driving a $10k car for 20 years, That will happen to me once in my car's lifetime. I could buy 2 cars for the price of my premiums, but when it happens i only get $10k back.

This is obviously an exaggeration compared to most situations, but it's generally the business model of insurance. It's like a casino, you are betting against the insurance company that your car will be wrecked, but the game is always rigged in their favor

You are correct, they know the averages of how much they need to charge, and how much they need to pay out. They do raise prices if things change, but Jesse is not even a drop in the bucket in the insurance world.

[enhanced_deficit]

Wow. $1.8 million dollars because some guy claimed he beat you in a bar fight?

Wonder if Jury perceived the dead defendant as a war criminal or murderer?


Chris Kyle USN Ret
Evil in the Crosshairs
01/27/2012 5:34 pm


Savage, despicable evil. That's what we were fighting in Iraq. That's why a lot of people, myself included, called the enemy "savages." There really was no other way to describe what we encountered there.
People ask me all the time, "How many people have you killed?" My standard response is, "Does the answer make me less, or more, of a man?"
The number is not important to me. I only wish I had killed more.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-...b_1237669.html

[juleswin]

You are correct, they know the averages of how much they need to charge, and how much they need to pay out. They do raise prices if things change, but Jesse is not even a drop in the bucket in the insurance world.

But there are 1000 other mini Jesses trying to make claims against the insurance company. It should hurt them in the pocket and hope there's enough competition so as to hurt them some more if they tried passing off the cost to their customers.

[NewRightLibertarian]

[donnay]

Was this before or after the book was published?The insurance company signed off on Kyle beating up 'Scruff Face',not Jesse or Mike Tyson.

He was promoting his book! So on that note, using Jesse Ventura's name while promoting this book gave have him much more publicity.

[LibertyEsq]

After reading everything and watching the videos, I'm going to have to admit that I was wrong and you guys were right. I was a little too reactionary because juries typically need to be checked as to what they award...especially against insurance companies...but the fact that he was spewing this $#@! on O'Reilly and O&A kind of proves that wasn't the case here. My bad.

[dannno]

It is my personal belief that insurance is always a bad bet for the consumer, otherwise insurance companies wouldn't make a profit.

Well you should learn the economics of insurance. If you have a lot of money, you don't need to buy insurance if you can afford to replace whatever your insuring or make the liability payment yourself. When you buy insurance is when the liability or the damage will exceed what you are able to afford, and so you pay the insurance company for the service of paying those damages should you need to make a claim. Of course they make a profit, nobody is going to do anything for free. You are paying for the service of having a lot of money available to you that you might otherwise not have available, where there is a low risk of needing to have those funds available at any time.

[green73]

so... a lawsuit for defamation only ends up making him look like even more of an $#@!. If he sued to get his reputation back, this did the opposite.


yes, by all means sue a widow over some petty bs her deceased husband said.

A widow of a mass murderer, who profitted greatly off the gig. Meh..hard to shed tears.

[dannno]

After reading everything and watching the videos, I'm going to have to admit that I was wrong and you guys were right. I was a little too reactionary because juries typically need to be checked as to what they award...especially against insurance companies...but the fact that he was spewing this $#@! on O'Reilly and O&A kind of proves that wasn't the case here. My bad.

That's very big of you to admit, props for doing the research and considering the other side.

[mad cow]

A widow of a mass murderer...

Josef Stalin was responsible for tens of millions of deaths.His only daughter,Svetlana,was an American citizen for decades.
Should we have sued her for billions or just gone ahead and executed the guilty bitch?

[LibForestPaul]

Oh its from an insurance company - I guess no one pays then

Yes, the people who made ill gotten gains pay. Hopefully, it was enough pain so this business learns not to use such dirty tricks to make a buck. There are other means to sell a book that does not drag someones name through the mud.