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Thread: Jury awards Jesse Ventura $1.8 million from Chris Kyle estate

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    Jury awards Jesse Ventura $1.8 million from Chris Kyle estate




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    Wow. $1.8 million dollars because some guy claimed he beat you in a bar fight?

    "He said mean things about me!"
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 07-29-2014 at 03:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Wow. $1.8 million dollars because some guy claimed he beat you in a bar fight?

    "He said mean things about me!"
    I believe it was for slander and defamation.
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    so... a lawsuit for defamation only ends up making him look like even more of an $#@!. If he sued to get his reputation back, this did the opposite.


    yes, by all means sue a widow over some petty bs her deceased husband said.
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    Yeah... unless he donates the money to a truly great cause or outright gives the money back to the widow... he looks like a douche.
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    From the article:
    Ventura testified that his income as a television personality fell sharply as job offers dried up in the wake of “American Sniper.” Borger said Ventura’s career as an entertainer was in decline well before that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotin View Post
    so... a lawsuit for defamation only ends up making him look like even more of an $#@!. If he sued to get his reputation back, this did the opposite.


    yes, by all means sue a widow over some petty bs her deceased husband said.
    Pretty much this...just because you can sue doesn't mean you should sue

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Yeah... unless he donates the money to a truly great cause or outright gives the money back to the widow... he looks like a douche.
    Well it is tainted money,,
    He may be wise to dispose of it..

    Maybe give it to some of Kyles victims families.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotin View Post
    yes, by all means sue a widow over some petty bs her deceased husband said.
    fwiw: he sued before she was a widow and did not sue her; but rather it was against his estate after he died.

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    I sure hope Mrs. Kyle knows that her husband killed people indiscriminately and without remorse then wrote a book bragging about it. He also went around the radio and TV circuit smearing Jesse Ventura's name.

    I say, here on earth, for now, justice was served.
    Last edited by donnay; 07-29-2014 at 05:12 PM. Reason: Venture to Ventura.
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    If I remember correctly, to prove defamation you basically have to prove that the other guy was lying - so maybe Ventura just wanted to sue to clear the air as to what did or didn't happen, moreso than to get money from the widow. In which case the right move from a moral perspective would still probably be to give some of the money back or donate it
    Last edited by LibertyEsq; 07-29-2014 at 03:31 PM.

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    Flashback:

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEsq View Post
    If I remember correctly, to prove defamation you basically have to prove that the other guy was lying - so maybe Ventura just wanted to sue to clear the air as to what did or didn't happen, moreso than to get money from the widow. In which case the right move from a moral perspective would still probably be to give some of the money back or donate it
    Kyle got rich in part from lying, it would appear. I wonder how much of what he said about other things were lies.
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    Seems a jury sided with him. The award was less than what was sought but the verdict favored him so it seems to be a win in that his name can be cleared from Kyle's allegations. I really don't care one way or the other but it seems the jury was a reasonable one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Kyle got rich in part from lying, it would appear. I wonder how much of what he said about other things were lies.
    Kyle: The fish I caught was this <<>> big.
    Publisher: Doesn't sound like a big enough fish to write a book about.
    Kyle: Did I mention the fish was this <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>> big?

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    Lying to cause enrichment for yourself at the victim's expense is textbook defamation. That he was able to prove damages in court is good enough for me. Its good money and I don't think Ventura has any reason to give it back or to anyone. Its ridiculous that some people here think he should give it away.



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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    Lying to cause enrichment for yourself at the victim's expense is textbook defamation. That he was able to prove damages in court is good enough for me. Its good money and I don't think Ventura has any reason to give it back or to anyone. Its ridiculous that some people here think he should give it away.
    You'd trust every decision a jury would make? $1.8 million from a widow for an allegation that he lost a bar fight seems a bit much

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEsq View Post
    You'd trust every decision a jury would make? $1.8 million from a widow for an allegation that he lost a bar fight seems a bit much
    Sounds like it's more Chris Kyle's fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    Sounds like it's more Chris Kyle's fault.
    Or the judge's

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgmen...anding_verdict

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEsq View Post
    You'd trust every decision a jury would make? $1.8 million from a widow for an allegation that he lost a bar fight seems a bit much
    It's from the publisher's insurance--stop being so dramatic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEsq View Post
    You'd trust every decision a jury would make? $1.8 million from a widow for an allegation that he lost a bar fight seems a bit much
    If he could prove at least that much in damages then no, I don't think its a "bit much."

    I'm not exactly sure how you base your opinions on how much is too much for someone to be awarded in damages...but sounds like you don't particularly care for facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    It's from the publisher's insurance--stop being so dramatic.
    Oh its from an insurance company - I guess no one pays then

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEsq View Post
    Oh its from an insurance company - I guess no one pays then

    You are making it sound like they are taking Mrs. Kyle's house away and food for their children. The purpose of publishing houses having insurance is for this very reason.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    I lost a fight...goonnaa sue you duude...Was Ventura's name mentioned in the book?
    I don't think it was...

    He should've dropped this lawsuit the second he learned Kyle was dead...
    I guiess he needs the cash for his "off-the-grid" lifestyle...



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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    You are making it sound like they are taking Mrs. Kyle's house away and food for their children. The purpose of publishing houses having insurance is for this very reason.
    A quote from a Jessie Ventura interview you posted. But where does the insurance company get its money? It is included in the prices of things we buy and the insurance premiums we pay. Would you extend that to medical costs as well- "the insurance company will pay- not the consumers or the doctors" though it adds to the costs of healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    A quote from a Jessie Ventura interview you posted. But where does the insurance company get its money? It is included in the prices of things we buy and the insurance premiums we pay. Would you extend that to medical costs as well- "the insurance company will pay- not the consumers or the doctors" though it adds to the costs of healthcare.
    He was referring to his belief that I was being dramatic about the widow. Fine, but I'm guessing there was either a cap on the insurance coverage (so she still had to pay), or the premiums just went up a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    A quote from a Jessie Ventura interview you posted. But where does the insurance company get its money? It is included in the prices of things we buy and the insurance premiums we pay. Would you extend that to medical costs as well- "the insurance company will pay- not the consumers or the doctors" though it adds to the costs of healthcare.
    The insurance company should have stayed the hell away from a liar like Kyle. Their job is to calculate risks and they still went ahead and insured him? Sorry but they took a chance and lost, such is life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEsq View Post
    You'd trust every decision a jury would make? $1.8 million from a widow for an allegation that he lost a bar fight seems a bit much
    For the millionth time.. it was in a book that Chris Kyle made money on, he lied about Ventura in the book which was a big headline when it came out and no doubt increased sales.. and made Ventura look VERY bad and it hurt his career.. I agree this is textbook defamation, plus the money is going from somebody who doesn't deserve it to somebody who does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    A quote from a Jessie Ventura interview you posted. But where does the insurance company get its money? It is included in the prices of things we buy and the insurance premiums we pay. Would you extend that to medical costs as well- "the insurance company will pay- not the consumers or the doctors" though it adds to the costs of healthcare.

    From the books they print and sell. Wow, the price of books may soar now.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    A quote from a Jessie Ventura interview you posted. But where does the insurance company get its money? It is included in the prices of things we buy and the insurance premiums we pay. Would you extend that to medical costs as well- "the insurance company will pay- not the consumers or the doctors" though it adds to the costs of healthcare.
    Great, hopefully they will stop insuring murderers for hire so cheaply.
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