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    No Child Left Outside

    No Child Left Outside: Another Mom Arrested for Letting Kid Play in Park

    Lenore Skenazy | Jul. 29, 2014

    A Port St. Lucie, Florida, mom has been arrested and charged with child neglect for daring to let her son, 7, play in the park half a mile from home. He was happily walking there when a busybody noticed him and asked where his mommy was. Then the busybody called the cops, since apparently no child should ever be outside without a private security detail.

    The police descended upon the scene of the crime and later arresting the mom for the usual charge of child neglect. What if something bad had happened?

    As the mom, Nicole Gainey, told ABC Action News:

    "My own bondsman said my parents would have been in jail every day," says Gainey who paid nearly $4,000 to bond out.

    The officer wrote in the report that Dominic was unsupervised at the park and that "numerous sex offenders reside in the vicinity".

    "He just basically kept going over that there's pedophiles and this and that and basically the park wasn't safe and he shouldn't be there alone," says Gainey.

    Never mind that research has shown living on the same block as a registered sex offender does not make kids less safe. It seems the cops bought into the idea that predators are everywhere, always waiting to pounce, and simply because the worst could happen—no matter how extremely unlikely—children can never be left unsupervised in well-lit, popular public parks.
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    If the cop really cared, he would sit there are watch the park while the kid was playing. The kid never should have spoken to a stranger either.

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    SEVEN... that's what, 2nd grade and going into 3rd grade in a few weeks?

    Don't kids that age walk to and from school, or is that still OK?

    Police should be trying to catch the "threat" (at the park?) and not abuse the potential victim there... whatz wid dat?

    +++

    “Give me the children until they are seven and anyone may have them afterwards.” – St. Francis Xavier

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    Last edited by FindLiberty; 07-29-2014 at 03:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindLiberty View Post
    Don't kids that age walk to and from school, or is that still OK?
    Yes they do. But usually only a mile or so. Then, once they get to school, they are looked at by the most well trained, caring, loving, intelligent, educated professionals in the world so I'm not sure if the comparison 100% works
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindLiberty View Post
    SEVEN... that's what, 2nd grade and going into 3rd grade in a few weeks?

    Don't kids that age walk to and from school, or is that still OK?

    Police should be trying to catch the "threat" (at the park?) and not abuse the potential victim there... whatz wid dat?

    +++

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    I have been shocked in the past to learn that people pick up and drop off their Junior High school kids. I don't think these kids even have a bike. Too dangerous, you know?
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    I grew up on the Jersey side of the Hudson River 6 miles from the George Washington Bridge into Upper Manhattan. I walked 0.7 miles to school 1st and 2nd grade. We played stick ball, kick ball, and touch football in the streets anywhere in between in the afternoons thereafter without supervision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    I grew up on the Jersey side of the Hudson River 6 miles from the George Washington Bridge into Upper Manhattan. I walked 0.7 miles to school 1st and 2nd grade. We played stick ball, kick ball, and touch football in the streets anywhere in between in the afternoons thereafter without supervision.
    I hate to hear this $#@!, it drives me nuts. My mom would have been in prison. I was a avid explorer to the point where I prematurely grayed my poor moms hair. I was allowed a fair amount of liberty in my younger years, but of course I took much, much more.

    And I also walked to school in the early grades, then we moved to the country and I started hitch hiking to school so I wouldn't have to take the bus clear to the next town 8 miles away. How I survived I'll never know.....
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    LibForestPaul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I hate to hear this $#@!, it drives me nuts. My mom would have been in prison. I was a avid explorer to the point where I prematurely grayed my poor moms hair. I was allowed a fair amount of liberty in my younger years, but of course I took much, much more.

    And I also walked to school in the early grades, then we moved to the country and I started hitch hiking to school so I wouldn't have to take the bus clear to the next town 8 miles away. How I survived I'll never know.....
    What events would have unfolded in that time?
    Someone calls police to report...



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    Its a good thing that mom was arrested. That kid could have gotten lost, kidnapped, or otherwise separated from his parents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibForestPaul View Post
    What events would have unfolded in that time?
    Someone calls police to report...
    And the police would have told them to mind their own business and there wasn't anything they would do about it. If you called the cops in that town it might take 3, 4, 5 hours for them to get there anyway and they probably wouldn't have made the trip.
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    LibForestPaul
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    Was it discretion on their parts? DA's would laugh at them? Curious where the first link in chain of obedience occurred. It was not with the foot patrol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibForestPaul View Post
    Was it discretion on their parts? DA's would laugh at them? Curious where the first link in chain of obedience occurred. It was not with the foot patrol.
    The country wasn't paranoid about their kids being away from home to anywhere near the degree it is now, the difference is night and day. I doubt there were any DA's back then who would even have considered pressing charges for that. Certainly none I ever heard of. I did a hell of a lot of running around and nobody ever freaked out about it.
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    My siblings, friends and I were often MILES from our home in deep woods around our house. We walked there and back.

    What is UP with all the damn busybodies!?! Leave my damn kids ALONE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosquitobite View Post
    My siblings, friends and I were often MILES from our home in deep woods around our house. We walked there and back.

    What is UP with all the damn busybodies!?! Leave my damn kids ALONE!
    Amen to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Amen to that.
    +1. I'm a 80's/90's kid, and even that recently parents weren't such paranoid helicopters. Myself and friends rode bikes all over the neighborhood back in those days...unsupervised! and no bike helmets! Getting muddy is fun.
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    Hiring a Nanny with a Felony for Child Endangerment

    When you live in a world filled with excess laws and cruel, capricious or hamstrung enforcers, you can’t judge people by their felonies anymore:

    Dear Lenore: I thought of you tonight. We are interviewing a nanny and she disclosed to us that she has a record — a felony endangerment to a child. The reason? Her child was 10 and sick but their schedules did not work for them to get him, so he stayed home from school and she told the neighbor that he was there at the house by himself. She couldn’t get back to him for another half hour. Oh, and he was 10!

    Then the school called and her son tried to convince them that his mother was in the shower, but they didn’t buy it and called the police (!!!) who then visited the home and found him alone. They had to call Children & Family Services and from there she ended up getting charged.

    We told her that this is not a negative to us and actually is a positive because she trusted her son to be able to stay at home. It’s everyone else that did not trust a child that should certainly be capable of handling a half hour at home by himself when he is sick. My Russian husband told her when he was 7 or 8 in Moscow, he was allowed to walk around by himself with none of this American crazy, and he was much younger than 10.

    Crazy, crazy world.

    Lenore here: I heard such a strikingly similar story this weekend of another almost-age-10 boy who was home with his 8-year-old sister for a few hours on a school half-day. When the police were alerted to his case, too, his parents (both teachers) were investigated for abuse and neglect. Had the authorities decided to play hardball, the parents could have been charged and perhaps found guilty. After all, it’s true they were not there.

    This would have spelled the end of their teaching careers. As it was, they were on pins and needles for several months wondering if their world was about to implode thanks to them knowing and trusting their responsible kids for a few hours, once.

    Kudos to this letter writer for having the courage of her convictions to hire the sitter she believes in.




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    Why We Believe the World Is Crawling with “Super-Predators”

    Readers — This is a great Slate article summing up what the 24/7 news cycle is doing to us as people, parents and policy-demanders. It concentrates on the work of Mary McNaughton-Cassill, a professor at the University of Texas–San Antonio and “leading researcher on the connection between media consumption and stress.” When bad news rushes into the home with graphic images and breathless reports of horror day and night — and we tune in — we come to believe that things are completely terrible. So, writes reporter Jesse Singal:
    [H]istory — even recent history — is rife with examples of society making bad choices because of pessimistic hysteria. One can make a convincing case that belief in the now-debunked notion of “super-predators”contributed to the rise of draconian sentencing laws, for example, or that the recent spate of parents being arrested for letting their children play unsupervised stems from the false but persistent idea, blown up by coverage of high-profile kidnapping cases, that the world is crawling with kid-snatching strangers.

    And then there’s the example that probably screams loudest in the liberal imagination: George W. Bush drummed up support for the war in Iraq,which at the time of the U.S. invasion sat at 75 percent, by painting a world in which Al Qaeda and its radical affiliates posed an existential threat to the Western world.

    So when people overestimate the world’s awfulness, there do appear to be real consequences. And while, as has eternally been the case, there are certainly pockets of the planet that really are getting worse on a daily basis (Syria), on a broader level there’s solid evidence—perhaps gathered most comprehensively bySteven Pinker—that the world is in the midst of a decades-long trend of actually becoming better: safer and healthier and more humane. We just have the bad stuff shouted into our ears louder than ever before.
    Yep yep yep. This is what we’re up against — a population literally brainwashed to believe that everyone (especially kids) is in constant danger, generally from strangers. The remedy for anyone wishing to feel less paranoid is to turn off the IV drip of terror known as “the media.” But how we can calm down those who believe the media is just giving us a slice of everyday life? I’m open to any and all suggestions, always. – L.


    They’re out to get our children!!

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    Just a thought - how many kids have been kidnapped while carrying guns?
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    They want control of your children, plain and simple.

    Turn the parents into whipped slaves right in front of the children, and they'll know who has the real power and who to obey.
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    Charges Against Mom Who Let 7 y.o. Walk to Park are DROPPED!

    Readers, great news from Port St. Lucie, Fla, where, this summer, Nicole Gainey was arrested and taken to jail in handcuffs for letting her son, 7, walk to the park! Thanks to the Rutherford Institute for this story AND for arranging defense for the single mom!

    Florida officials have agreed not to pursue the prosecution of a Florida mother who was arrested and charged with child neglect for allowing her 7-year-old son to visit a neighborhood playground located a half mile from their house. In doing so, the state has effectively put an end to the criminal case against Nicole Gainey. Attorneys for The Rutherford Institute, along with Miami-based criminal defense lawyer Brian H. Bieber, a partner at GrayRobinson, P.A., worked with state prosecutors to achieve a mutually agreeable resolution of the matter that resulted in the charges against Gainey being dropped. In addition to being charged with a third-degree criminal felony charge that carries with it a fine of up to $5,000 and 5 years in jail, Gainey was interrogated, arrested and handcuffed in front of her son, and transported to the local jail where she was physically searched, fingerprinted, photographed and held for seven hours.

    continued...http://www.freerangekids.com/charges...k-are-dropped/

    https://www.rutherford.org/publicati...ndcuffed_searc
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    LibForestPaul
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    Why drop the charges? What was the theater for? What has happened to the officers and the department?

    Very odd.



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