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    Kentucky town opens filling station to the public

    http://news.yahoo.com/kentucky-town-...150442278.html

    SOMERSET, Ky. (AP) — Somerset's city hall ventured into the retail gas business Saturday, opening a municipal-run filling station that supporters call a benefit for motorists and critics denounce as a taxpayer-supported swipe at the free market.

    The Somerset Fuel Center opened to the public selling regular unleaded gas for $3.36 a gallon, a bit lower than some nearby competitors. In the first three hours, about 75 customers fueled up at the no-frills stations, where there are no snacks, no repairs and only regular unleaded gas.

    The mayor says the station was created in response to years of grumbling by townspeople about stubbornly high gas prices in Somerset, a city of about 11,000 near Lake Cumberland, a popular fishing and boating haven.

    The venture got a thumbs-up from customers who let their vehicles reach near-empty in anticipation of the city-run station's opening.

    "I'm tickled to death that they're trying to do something," Ed Bullock said as he filled up his car. "I'm glad they made the investment."

    The venture unnerved local filling station and convenience store operators suddenly competing with the city in this Republican stronghold. Critics said the government has no business imposing itself into the private sector, and one store owner branded it as socialism.

    Mayor Eddie Girdler, however, is standing firm behind the idea of the city-run station. The canopied station on the outskirts of this southern Kentucky town was converted from use by government vehicles into one that can also cater to anyone looking to fill their tanks.

    "We are one community that decided we've got backbone and we're not going to allow the oil companies to dictate to us what we can and cannot do," Girdler said. "We're going to start out small. Where it goes from here we really don't know."

    The amount charged motorists will be based on an average regional price for gas, and will include a small markup to cover costs, the mayor said. The city isn't out to make a profit, he said. Instead, the goal is to lower gas prices and lure more lake visitors into Somerset, he said.

    Four nearby stations in Somerset were selling regular unleaded for $3.39 a gallon Saturday. The prevailing price in town had been in the mid-$3.40s per gallon late in the week, said Melody Price, office manager at Somerset Fuel Center.

    Duane Adams, a convenience store owner in Somerset, sees the city's station as a slap in the face that could hurt his business.

    "They've used the taxpayer money that I have paid them over these years to do this, to be against us," he said. "I do not see how they can't see that as socialism."

    Other retail groups, including the Kentucky Petroleum Marketers Association, urged other municipalities not to follow suit. "If milk got too high, are you going to build a dairy?" said Ted Mason, executive director of the Kentucky Grocers Association and Kentucky Association of Convenience Stores.

    Girdler, a Republican in his second term, said the city isn't looking to put anyone out of business.

    "We don't care if we don't sell a drop of gasoline," he said. "Our objective is to lower the price."

    George Wilson, the town's economic development business coordinator, said gas prices in Somerset are often 20 to 30 cents a gallon higher than in neighboring towns. Many lake visitors fuel up elsewhere, costing Somerset millions of dollars in retail sales, Girdler said.

    Several customers at the city's station said they had no objections to the city's investment as long as it moderates gas prices in town.

    "I'm glad somebody finally got some sense and lowered the prices," said Patty Gossett.

    Another customer, Samir Cook, said he hopes the city-run station drives down prices.

    "As long as I can get gas cheaper, that's really what I care about," he said.

    Adams, the convenience store owner, disputes the city's claim that Somerset gas prices trend well above the regional average. The Kentucky Petroleum Marketers Association said there have been many times in recent months when Somerset's gas prices dipped below the surrounding area.

    Dan Gilligan, president of the Petroleum Marketers Association of America, said a staff attorney involved in the industry since 1973 could not recall another city getting into the retail gas business. The National League of Cities said it was unaware of another U.S. city with such a venture.

    Somerset had several built-in advantages in starting the venture, the mayor said.

    The city is purchasing gas from a hometown supplier, Continental Refining Co. The city purchased a fuel storage facility for $200,000 a few years ago. Now, up to 60,000 gallons of regular unleaded gas can be stored there for the retail business.

    The city spent less than $75,000 to convert the fueling center into a retail operation, the mayor said. Much of the investment went to upgrade pumps and add computer software to handle credit card purchases.

    He doesn't expect the venture to cause a drain on the city's $64 million budget, and said the intent is to have it break even.

    The station features 10 nozzles for public use and is open for credit card purchases nearly around the clock.

    "It's been carefully thought out," the mayor said.
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    Don't worry AF. Employees that don't like their criteria for employment will always be able to go somewhere else.

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    I just couldn't get worked up by this. I predict massive and unmitigated failure. Could be amusing when these townfolk have to pass a millage to pay for their cheap gas.
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    I'm tickled to death that they're trying to do something," Ed Bullock said as he filled up his car. "I'm glad they made the investment."....


    "We don't care if we don't sell a drop of gasoline," he [the mayor] said.

    And why would the mayor care. He can always get brain surgeons like Ed to "invest" more money.
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    We have a private gas station in my area that has been doing the same thing for a long time, selling gasoline at cost or close to it. They keep getting fined for it because it doesn't jive with Wisconsin's minimum markup law! Freakin bananas.

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    Clearly those people are evil. They are evil worse than the government folks in NJ and OR, if that is possible. Still I'm not sure what to do. Even though they are evil, they shouldn't be killed...
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    They spent $275,000 on this project so they could sell prices at around .8% less than the private sector and offer none of the side-benefits like snack foods, drinks, rewards cards, etc...

    This is government, folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2young2vote View Post
    They spent $275,000 on this project so they could sell prices at around .8% less than the private sector and offer none of the side-benefits like snack foods, drinks, rewards cards, etc...

    This is government, folks.
    just to further clarify: They spent 275k of money stolen FROM the same private sector of which they wish to compete against and will continue to steal from. I'd wager those private gas stations would sell their gas for even less (and other goods) if they were not taxed.



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    Someone in the know might chime in on gas station operations, but it was always my impression that you make very little to nothing selling gas. The money comes with selling these food items and lottery. I worked for a guy one summer and his bread and butter was the lottery. If it were not for that, he would have been out of business. (That devil went out of business eventually anyway. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    just to further clarify: They spent 275k of money stolen FROM the same private sector of which they wish to compete against and will continue to steal from. I'd wager those private gas stations would sell their gas for even less (and other goods) if they were not taxed.
    I wonder how long a gas co-op of private citizens would be allowed to operate?

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    Reminds me of a guy I know. He has a construction company and was spending $500,00+ every year on fuel for his vehicles and equipment and thought "why am I paying other people to fill up my tanks when I can purchase it from myself?"

    They probably had a similar train of thought, although quite a bit skewed because they were using tax payer money to build it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I wonder how long a gas co-op of private citizens would be allowed to operate?
    That is a really interesting idea. How do you think it could be set-up assuming the government allows it? I am trying to imagine a mix between a food co-op and a credit union...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Someone in the know might chime in on gas station operations, but it was always my impression that you make very little to nothing selling gas. The money comes with selling these food items and lottery. I worked for a guy one summer and his bread and butter was the lottery. If it were not for that, he would have been out of business. (That devil went out of business eventually anyway. )
    My dad was, in his teens.

    Yes, this is true.

    Gas sales barely pay for the overhead associated with storing and pumping a volatile hazmat: pumps, fire suppression, maintenance, insurance(!).

    Snacks, beer, soda, lottery tickets and all the rest make up the profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2young2vote View Post
    Reminds me of a guy I know. He has a construction company and was spending $500,00+ every year on fuel for his vehicles and equipment and thought "why am I paying other people to fill up my tanks when I can purchase it from myself?"

    They probably had a similar train of thought, although quite a bit skewed because they were using tax payer money to build it.

    That is a really interesting idea. How do you think it could be set-up assuming the government allows it? I am trying to imagine a mix between a food co-op and a credit union...
    $500,000...heh...I use that in a week.

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    better to create mini Indian reservations, so they could sell tax free gas

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2young2vote View Post
    They spent $275,000 on this project so they could sell prices at around .8% less than the private sector and offer none of the side-benefits like snack foods, drinks, rewards cards, etc...

    This is government, folks.
    I've never walked into a gas station convenience store.
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    What could possibly have the financial resources to take down a mega corporation like WalMart? GovMart, thats who.

    There is good and bad to this. The good that is intended is to offer competition without legally forcing anyone that sells anything to lower prices to a more reasonable rate. Bad is they define what is reasonable. If overdone, they can easily drive mom and pop shops out of business, and with more of your tax money, drive larger businesses under as well.
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    Interesting initiative.

    All for private citizens coming together w/ something similar

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Someone in the know might chime in on gas station operations, but it was always my impression that you make very little to nothing selling gas. The money comes with selling these food items and lottery. I worked for a guy one summer and his bread and butter was the lottery. If it were not for that, he would have been out of business. (That devil went out of business eventually anyway. )
    I have heard this as well. If true, it makes you wonder if they are even operating to break even or if they are operating at a loss to get votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    I've never walked into a gas station convenience store.
    but have you ever gotten out of your car to pump your own gas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I have heard this as well. If true, it makes you wonder if they are even operating to break even or if they are operating at a loss to get votes.
    It is a test. If the comments of boobus is reported correctly, their test was a success.

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    The great thing about Federalism is cities can do what they want, and it will succeed or fail based on its own merits.

    If I was a taxpayer in this city, I would be adamently opposed, but as someone who supports a Federalist approach to governing and doesn't live here I say let them have their gas station.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2young2vote View Post
    Reminds me of a guy I know. He has a construction company and was spending $500,00+ every year on fuel for his vehicles and equipment and thought "why am I paying other people to fill up my tanks when I can purchase it from myself?"

    They probably had a similar train of thought, although quite a bit skewed because they were using tax payer money to build it.



    That is a really interesting idea. How do you think it could be set-up assuming the government allows it? I am trying to imagine a mix between a food co-op and a credit union...
    http://www.snohomishcoop.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    $500,000...heh...I use that in a week.
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    One relevant question: has this city ever denied a permit for a new gas station?
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