Media spins story about 80 year old man shooting robber

[PRB]

What the media says and wants you to believe

"80 year old man shoots pregnant robber despite her plea for life"

What the facts tell us
"She said she was pregnant, she robbed an 80 year old man with an accomplice"

Since when is being pregnant an excuse to avoid getting shot? Especially if you're robbing an elderly man?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

What the facts tells us about PRB. Another troll who is disingenuous about his reason for being on this board.

[PRB]

What the facts tells us about PRB. Another troll who is disingenuous about his reason for being on this board.

how is that?

[presence]

(CNN) -- Tom Greer says he fought back when he was attacked by intruders at his home. When he got his gun and fired at them, they ran.

The 80-year-old homeowner says one of the fleeing burglars, a woman, shouted, "I'm pregnant!" He shot her twice, killing her.


The district attorney will decide Friday whether Greer will face criminal charges.


Long Beach Police Chief Jim McDonnell said Greer walked into his house Tuesday to find suspects Andrea Miller, 26, and Gus Adams, 28, ransacking it. According to McDonnell, Greer said this was the fourth time his house has been burglarized.


Police say the couple beat and threw the elderly man to the ground, causing him to suffer a broken collarbone, cuts and bruises.


Despite his injuries, Greer managed to grab his gun and fire at the suspects, causing them to flee through the garage and into the alley, police said.


In an interview with non-CNN affiliate KNBC, Greer said that as the suspects ran into the alley, Miller yelled, "'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant! I'm going to have a baby!' and I shot her anyway."
Miller died in the alley, the police chief said.


In a press conference, McDonnell said the coroner will make the final determination of whether Miller was pregnant, but said it "wasn't obvious" if she was.


When asked by KNBC how he felt about the incident, Greer responded that he had no regrets.


"I had to do what I had to do."


The male suspect fled the scene, according to Greer and Chief McDonnell. Adams was later arrested and charged with residential robbery and felony murder in Miller's death. He is currently being held on $1.25 million bond.

Video at source
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/25/justice/california-slain-burglar-pregnant/

"She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant — I'm going to have a baby,' and I shot her anyway," Tom Greer

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/24...plea-that-was/

The case will be turned over Friday to prosecutors, who will have to decide whether Greer was in “imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death” when he opened fire outside his home.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.1879554

[qh4dotcom]

Prosecutors will have to determine whether chasing after the suspects and firing on them outside the home goes beyond self-defense, McDonnell said.

Nope, that is not self-defense.
Cops are not allowed to shoot suspects who are running away....neither should homeowners.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/m...gnant-24704576

[PRB]

Nope, that is not self-defense.
Cops are not allowed to shoot suspects who are running away....neither should homeowners.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/m...gnant-24704576

how do you know they won't come back?

[qh4dotcom]

Since when is being pregnant an excuse to avoid getting shot? Especially if you're robbing an elderly man?

Not an excuse to avoid being shot....but don't shoot to kill the baby....shoot her in the legs, arms, feet, hands, etc. She'll survive.

[presence]

Nope, that is not self-defense.
Cops are not allowed to shoot suspects who are running away....neither should homeowners.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/m...gnant-24704576

You know if someone snatches your purse and runs off... I can see that its not right to shoot them in the back. But when somebody bludgeons you to the point a broken collar bone and you're an 80 year old man left alone defending your home.

I say shoot the $#@!er.

[PRB]

Not an excuse to avoid being shot....but don't shoot to kill the baby....shoot her in the legs, arms, feet, hands, etc. She'll survive.

I hope he didn't intend to kill her, that would be pretty awful.

[qh4dotcom]

how do you know they won't come back?

They would have to be really stupid to come back to face an armed homeowner.

and if you shoot someone who is running away in a public place you might miss and hit a totally innocent person instead.

[PRB]

You know if someone snatches your purse and runs off... I can see that its not right to shoot them in the back. But when somebody bludgeons you to the point a broken collar bone and you're an 80 year old man left alone defending your home.

I say shoot the $#@!er.

I guess the government's definition of self defense doesn't include disabling a person to keep him/her from fleeing, so that the person can be brought to justice.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

how is that?

That's up to you. Doesn't say much for your character. Neg rep for being disingenuous.

[PRB]

They would have to be really stupid to come back to face an armed homeowner.

and if you shoot someone who is running away in a public place you might miss and hit a totally innocent person instead.

So what? It's a risk inherent in being outdoors, that somebody might have a legitimate reason to shoot another person, and innocent bystanders might catch it.

you're not seriously suggesting we should ban drunk driving just because there's a risk people might get hit by a car, are you?

what kind of libertarian are you if you're going to ban risk taking and liberty in the name of safety?

[qh4dotcom]

You know if someone snatches your purse and runs off... I can see that its not right to shoot them in the back. But when somebody bludgeons you to the point a broken collar bone and you're an 80 year old man left alone defending your home.

I say shoot the $#@!er.

Tough call....maybe it would be justified but it would not be self-defense....it would be more like revenge.

and if you shoot someone who is running away in a public place you might miss and hit a totally innocent person instead.

[PRB]

Tough call....maybe it would be justified but it would not be self-defense....it would be more like revenge.

and if you shoot someone who is running away in a public place you might miss and hit a totally innocent person instead.

so I should put justice and my personal safety on hold for the public, way to be liberty minded.

[qh4dotcom]

So what? It's a risk inherent in being outdoors, that somebody might have a legitimate reason to shoot another person, and innocent bystanders might catch it.

you're not seriously suggesting we should ban drunk driving just because there's a risk people might get hit by a car, are you?

what kind of libertarian are you if you're going to ban risk taking and liberty in the name of safety?

Well, if you want to engage in the risk taking then you are responsible for the consequences....are you going to compensate the totally innocent person for their injuries or pay for their funeral? Is it worth getting dragged into court and having to pay thousands in attorney's fees?

Geez, we bash cops here all the time for being trigger happy and shooting when they are not supposed to....we bash them for their silly fears that their life in danger when they shoot dogs....so why the double standard with homeowners then?

[PRB]

Well, if you want to engage in the risk taking then you are responsible for the consequences....are you going to compensate the totally innocent person for their injuries or pay for their funeral? Is it worth getting dragged into court and having to pay thousands in attorney's fees?

yes. it is worth it. obviously whatever I do is worth something at the time I do it.

it's my choice to take the risk and I am happy to take responsibility, what i don't need is the government telling me what not to do just because there's an allegedly increase risk.

[qh4dotcom]

yes. it is worth it. obviously whatever I do is worth something at the time I do it.

it's my choice to take the risk and I am happy to take responsibility, what i don't need is the government telling me what not to do just because there's an allegedly increase risk.

It's not about the government telling you what not to do....it's about staying out of trouble.

We bash cops here all the time for being trigger happy and shooting when they shouldn't....we bash them for their silly fears that their life in danger when they shoot dogs....so why the double standard with homeowners then? Homeowners can be trigger happy and fire away carelessly and negligently for whatever silly fear they have but cops can't.

By the way, since you are so happy to take the responsibility....do you have the thousands of dollars to pay for attorney's fees and to care for an injured person for the rest of his/her life? Maybe it will exceed $1 million...oh and don't forget that a jury might find you guilty even if you acted in self-defense....is it worth going to jail for years?

[PRB]

It's not about the government telling you what not to do....it's about staying out of trouble.

We bash cops here all the time for being trigger happy and shooting when they shouldn't....we bash them for their silly fears that their life in danger when they shoot dogs....so why the double standard with homeowners then? Homeowners can be trigger happy and fire away carelessly and negligently for whatever silly fear they have but cops can't.

By the way, since you are so happy to take the responsibility....do you have the thousands of dollars to pay for attorney's fees and to care for an injured person for the rest of his/her life? Maybe it will exceed $1 million...oh and don't forget that a jury might find you guilty even if you acted in self-defense....is it worth going to jail for years?

why can't I worry about that AFTER it happens? and what can you do to me if I have no money?

why am I required to prepare for paying a million dollars to an innocent person just because I own a gun?

it's backwards, this is not liberty, liberty means I get to do what I want until I hurt somebody, and I shouldn't have to fear consequences until there are consequences.

[RonPaulIsGreat]

Innocent.

[aGameOfThrones]

Innocent + 1

[phill4paul]

The male suspect fled the scene, according to Greer and Chief McDonnell. Adams was later arrested and charged with residential robbery and felony murder in Miller's death.

Umm, what am I missing here?

[Anti Federalist]

"She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant — I'm going to have a baby,' and I shot her anyway," Tom Greer

Do not talk to cops.

[presence]

Tough call....maybe it would be justified but it would not be self-defense....it would be more like revenge.

and if you shoot someone who is running away in a public place you might miss and hit a totally innocent person instead.

Shooting someone in the back that just snatched your purse is revenge.

Shooting someone in the back that just beat your ass with a near mortal wound while they could be fleeing to regroup and finish you off? That's justice.

[PaulConventionWV]

Nope, that is not self-defense.
Cops are not allowed to shoot suspects who are running away....neither should homeowners.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/m...gnant-24704576

lolz

[PaulConventionWV]

how do you know they won't come back?

If they do, then you can shoot them then.

[LibForestPaul]

You know if someone snatches your purse and runs off... I can see that its not right to shoot them in the back. But when somebody bludgeons you to the point a broken collar bone and you're an 80 year old man left alone defending your home.

I say shoot the $#@!er.

This would not be an issue if there were more like you and I. DA's wouldn't waste their time bringing it in front of a jury. Unfortunately, hope he pleads to some manslaughter charge. Maybe he can scoot by with a year. But doubt it.

[PaulConventionWV]

Well, if you want to engage in the risk taking then you are responsible for the consequences....are you going to compensate the totally innocent person for their injuries or pay for their funeral? Is it worth getting dragged into court and having to pay thousands in attorney's fees?

Geez, we bash cops here all the time for being trigger happy and shooting when they are not supposed to....we bash them for their silly fears that their life in danger when they shoot dogs....so why the double standard with homeowners then?

Forget about paying for the funeral. If you shoot and miss and hit an innocent person, then you're guilty of manslaughter.

I definitely don't have a double standard for homeowners. I'm not sure exactly what happened in that alley. Was she yelling back to him as she ran? If she was clearly running away, then it was cruel to shoot her. I honestly wouldn't shoot someone unless I knew they were attacking me.

[PaulConventionWV]

Do not talk to cops.

Are you on the right thread? That quote has nothing to do with cops.

EDIT: Oh, I get what you're saying. Yeah, the guy probably shouldn't have said that.

[limequat]

Nope, that is not self-defense.
Cops are not allowed to shoot suspects who are running away....neither should homeowners.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/m...gnant-24704576

Capitol police shot Miriam Carey in the back of the head while she was fleeing...and her baby was in the car.
Not only were they "allowed" to do so, they got a congressional standing ovation.