Illegal Immigrants : Bad! _ Refugees : Good!

[Origanalist]

No Joke: Obama Considering Flying Immigrants From Honduras Straight To The U.S. So They Don’t Have To Sneak Over Border…

Via http://weaselzippers.us/194384-no-jo...k-over-border/

Hoping to stem the recent surge of migrants at the Southwest border, the Obama administration is considering whether to allow hundreds of minors and young adults from Honduras into the United States without making the dangerous trek through Mexico, according to a draft of the proposal.

If approved, the plan would direct the government to screen thousands of children and youths in Honduras to see if they can enter the United States as refugees or on emergency humanitarian grounds. It would be the first American refugee effort in a nation reachable by land to the United States, the White House said, putting the violence in Honduras on the level of humanitarian emergencies in Haiti and Vietnam, where such programs have been conducted in the past amid war and major crises.

Critics of the plan were quick to pounce, saying it appeared to redefine the legal definition of a refugee and would only increase the flow of migration to the United States. Administration officials said they believed the plan could be enacted through executive action, without congressional approval, as long as it did not increase the total number of refugees coming into the country.

By moving decisions on refugee claims to Honduras, the plan aims to slow the rush of minors crossing into the United States illegally from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, which has overwhelmed the border this year. More than 45,000 unaccompanied minors from those three nations have arrived since Oct. 1, straining federal resources to the point that some agencies will exhaust their budgets by next month, the secretary of Homeland Security has said.

Keep reading…http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/wo...ras-.html?_r=0

[Slave Mentality]

Justification for multi-state detention center construction contracts.

Did anyone ever figure out why Dear Leader wanted 3.7 billion for, other than the obvious crony contracts and various fraud and waste? That is a lot of cheddar for an inflated "problem' that is no worse now than it ever was. Only the narrative has changed, so why all the dough?

[nobody's_hero]

To call these people refugees is a bit of a slap in the face to real refugees like people who were trying to break out of the Iron Curtain.

It's hard to consider yourself a refugee when your home country WANTS you to leave.

[LibForestPaul]

Justification for multi-state detention center construction contracts.

Did anyone ever figure out why Dear Leader wanted 3.7 billion for, other than the obvious crony contracts and various fraud and waste? That is a lot of cheddar for an inflated "problem' that is no worse now than it ever was. Only the narrative has changed, so why all the dough?

multi-state detention center to house "refugees"...right

[DamianTV]

... funding the creation of the facilities that will soon become our prisons.

[Carlybee]

multi-state detention center to house "refugees"...right

FEMA camps!

[pcosmar]

Rex 84

The Rex 84 Program was originally established on the reasoning that if a “mass exodus” of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/rex-84-...n-america/3010


"there is nothing new under the sun"

[Carson]

Justification for multi-state detention center construction contracts.

Did anyone ever figure out why Dear Leader wanted 3.7 billion for, other than the obvious crony contracts and various fraud and waste? That is a lot of cheddar for an inflated "problem' that is no worse now than it ever was. Only the narrative has changed, so why all the dough?

I was thinking it was to be used to expand the resort complex.

https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=...bed&dg=feature

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...border-surgers

[The Free Hornet]

To call these people refugees is a bit of a slap in the face to real refugees like people who were trying to break out of the Iron Curtain.

Why exactly? Were we so much more free then? They were so much more oppressed?

It's hard to consider yourself a refugee when your home country WANTS you to leave.

That's practically the definition of refugee:

A refugee is a person who is outside their home country because they have suffered (or feared) persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or because they are a member of a persecuted social category of persons or because they are fleeing a war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee

ref·u·gee
noun \ˌre-fyu̇-ˈjē, ˈre-fyu̇-ˌ\

: someone who has been forced to leave a country because of war or for religious or political reasons


: one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/refugee

What country, generally, would want you to leave besides your home country? By the reasoning presented, these recent crossings are unwanted here in what is NOT their home country. So by your presented twist, they are refugees even more so by not being wanted in a country that is not their home.

[nobody's_hero]

It's difficult to put into words, and I did poorly at that. Let's say that if the Soviets were practically helping people climb over the Berlin Wall, would the word "refugee" really fit? It's a bit different than someone being shot at for even getting too close to the wall.

The big-government folks know that the word "refugee" burns an emotional pinprick in the hearts of people so they (mis)use the terminology to incite public support. Remember the "PATRIOT Act"? Same principle. They know most folks don't want to be seen as unpatriotic and likewise, they don't want to be seen as heartless bastards.

But these people are not "refugees". These are not helpless people running from a war they can't control in Darfur.

These are people leaving countries with socialist governments they supported until the freebies ran out. There's a difference, and I have no sympathy whatsoever for the latter.

[56ktarget]

Refugees with libertarian ideologies-good!
Refugees with socialist ideologies- bad!

[Origanalist]

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[RM918]

These are people leaving countries with socialist governments they supported until the freebies ran out. There's a difference, and I have no sympathy whatsoever for the latter.

You're free to have no sympathy, but you're painting with an incredibly broad brush here. Should every American be judged for the actions committed by the US government because we live in a 'democracy'?

[nobody's_hero]

Refugees with libertarian ideologies-good!
Refugees with socialist ideologies- bad!

Heh. The moment a libertarian crosses over that border southern border, you let me know, but I still wouldn't consider them refugees.

[RM918]

Refugees with libertarian ideologies-good!
Refugees with socialist ideologies- bad!

I can understand the sentiment even if I disagree with it, the political system is broken in how it greatly favors the duopoly and that's something even a lot of progs agree on. The immigration system, like pretty much everything the US government is in charge of, is ridiculously convoluted and broken and our drug war does much south of the border to disrupt the nations these people are fleeing from. Their demographics skew for Blue and as we all know Blue is Bad and Red is Good (unless you're on Blue Team, then switch the colors and it's the same) that's the logic for it. The problem is that people flooding over the border is a symptom of the greater problems of our drug war and the immigration system.

I think that's where the problem lies really when it comes from migration from Mexico & beyond, the drug war funding the street gangs endemic to these countries as the article points out and our inefficient immigration system with favoritism toward certain corporations while having others wait in line for ten years. I find it curious though that this is a thing that most other countries on the planet do as well, if you try hopping over most European borders you're going to be exactly as a well-received as a lot of Reds find Mexican illegals.

[nobody's_hero]

You're free to have no sympathy, but you're painting with an incredibly broad brush here. Should every American be judged for the actions committed by the US government because we live in a 'democracy'?

Unfortunately, 3 out of 4 latinos vote Democrat. I'll admit it's not the most narrow brush I've ever painted with but I could probably go even wider.

And I'll be the first to judge boobus. Let me dip my paint brush:

My fellow Americans are, by and large, among the most disappointing, lazy, spoiled, easily distractible, gullible, freedom-pissing intellectual invalids ever to walk the face of the Earth.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Refugees with libertarian ideologies-good!
Refugees with socialist ideologies- bad!

Trolls who are at least a little interesting. Good.

Trolls (like you) who are very dull. Bad.

[Carlybee]

If we go by the criteria, then everyone in this country should be able to seek refuge somewhere. And everyone from every oppressed country in the world could be a refugee. Line drawn?