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    Truth about Gaza

    July 24, 2014
    Senators Sanders & Leahy Join in Deeply Flawed Resolution Supporting Israel
    Why Did Bernie Sanders Get Gaza So Wrong?
    by JAMES MARC LEAS

    All 100 Senators, including Vermont’s Bernie Sanders and Patrick Leahy, joined in passing a Senate resolution on July 17, 2014 supporting “the State of Israel as it defends itself against unprovoked rocket attacks from the Hamas terrorist organization.”

    However, the facts differ.

    A report issued by the authoritative the “Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center” (ITIC), a private Israeli think tank that “has close ties with the country’s military leadership,” unintentionally debunked the Senate resolution more than a week before its unanimous consent vote in the Senate. The weekly ITIC reports regarding rocket fire are frequently quoted on the Israeli government’s own web site.

    The ITIC July 8, 2014 report,“News of Terrorism and the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (July 2 – 8, 2014),” states: “For the first time sinceOperation Pillar of Defense [November 2012], Hamas participated in and claimed responsibility for rocket fire [on July 7, 2014].”

    Thus, Hamas rocket fire only re-started on July 7after a 19 month cease-fire. As we will see, this was nearly a month after Israeli forces launched massive military operations in the West Bank and Gaza starting on June 12. But those Israeli military operations were not the only provocation.

    First, about the cease fire that was in place: Operation Pillar of Defense was an 8 day aerial assault on Gaza in November 2012 that ended with a ceasefire agreement brokered by Egypt. Graphs presented on the ITIC website show that the cease-fire was effective. In the weeks and months following that agreement, the ITIC consistently reported the absence of Hamas rocket fire. In addition, a May 2013 article in the Jerusalem Post, “IDF source: Hamas working to stop Gaza rockets,” reported that Hamas was policing other groups to prevent rocket fire.

    The July 8 ITIC report also divulged why Hamas launched its first rocket fire at Israel in more than 19 months on July 7: On that night Israeli forces had bombed and killed 6 Hamas members in Gaza. The ITIC report includes a picture of the six Hamas members. Thus, a report from an authoritative Israeli source described the provocation for the resumption of rocket fire: Hamas rocket fire began only after Israeli forces had engaged in nearly a month of military operations in violation of the ceasefire agreement and had killed 6 Hamas members in Gaza.

    The Palestine Center for Human Rights (PCHR) also issues weekly reports, these reports focusing on Israeli human rights violations in the occupied territories, including the West Bank and Gaza. In its July 10 weekly report, PCHR gave further details of the events that immediately preceded the July 7 Hamas rocket launchings: PCHR reports:

    Between 01:00 and 16:00, the bodies of 5 members of the ‘Izziddin al-Qassam Brigades (the armed wing of Hamas) were recovered from a tunnel dug near Gaza International Airport in the southeast of the southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah. They were identified as: Ibrahim Dawod al-Bal’awi, 24; ‘Abdul Rahman Kamal al-Zamli, 22; Jum’a ‘Atiya Shallouf, 26; and Khaled ‘Abdul Hadi Abu Mur, 21, and his twin brother, Mustafa. Another three members were recovered alive, but one was in a serious condition. It should be noted that the tunnel was repeatedly bombarded by Israeli warplanes and tanks. According to medical sources, the deceased inhaled toxic gases. The ‘Izziddin al-Qassam Brigades declared in an online statement that 5 of its members were killed as a result of airstrikes that targeted places of resistance activities.

    The facts show that Israeli forces had to work quite hard to get Hamas to end its cease-fire. The killing of the six Hamas members was not an isolated event. Israeli forces and settlers had gone wild on the West Bank starting on June 12 after the kidnaping of three Israeli teens. Israeli forces had also attacked 60 targets in Gaza during those three weeks of June. Then, on the night of July 7, 2014, the Israeli Air Force had attacked approximately 50 more “terrorist targets” in the Gaza Strip, as described in the ITIC report.

    Human Rights Watch (HRW) reported on July 3:

    Israel’s military operations in the West Bank following the abduction and killing of three Israeli teenagers have amounted to collective punishment. The military operations included unlawful use of force, arbitrary arrests, and illegal home demolitions.

    The HRW report also states that:

    Israeli forces have arrested about 700 Palestinians since June 12, 2014, and are currently detaining at least 450, some during the large-scale military incursions and others who are known supporters or leaders of the Hamas Reform and Change Party, which won Palestinian elections in 2006, according to Addameer, a Palestinian prisoner’s rights group.

    Giving more details, several of the weekly reports from the Palestine Center for Human Rights (PCHR) indicate that Israeli forces and settlers killed 11 Palestinians and wounded 51 during 369 incursions into the West Bank between June 12 and July 2 and that Israeli forces raided hundreds of houses on the West Bank each week. Israeli forces also launched the 60 bombing attacks on Gaza and one ground incursion, wounding 27 people in Gaza during those three weeks.

    While all these attacks in the West Bank and Gaza did produce rocket fire from other groups in Gaza during June–which the ITIC reports had been almost zero during the previous month–the attacks did not provoke Hamas itself to fire rockets. To predictably accomplish that feat, Israeli forces had to go further and kill the 6 Hamas members on July 7.

    The Senate resolution names Hamas in nearly every one of its deeply flawed paragraphs. Yet it fails to mention any of the facts about Israel’s military operations in the West Bank and Gaza.

    Let’s turn this around for a moment: Had the Israeli public been subjected to a massive military crackdown including 369 military incursions into Israel and 110 bombing attacks on Israel during which 11 Israelis had been killed, 78 wounded, and 700 arrested, and then had six Israeli soldiers been killed in a single air and ground military operation, would the Senate have omitted mention of all such facts and voted by unanimous consent that responding Israeli forces were “unprovoked?” Would the Senate have voted that the one attacking Israel was defending itself and that Israeli forces were the ones engaging in “belligerent actions?”

    Why did the Senate get this so wrong? Why did Bernie Sanders and Patrick Leahy allow their names to be used for pro-war propaganda so at variance with the facts?

    James Marc Leas is a Vermont attorney and is a past co-chair of the National Lawyers Guild Free Palestine Subcommittee. He collected evidence in the Gaza Strip from November 27 to December 3, 2012 as part of a 20 member delegation from the US and Europe and co-authored several articles describing findings. He also participated in the National Lawyers Guild delegation to Gaza after Operation Cast Lead in February 2009 and contributed to its report, Onslaught: Israel’s Attack on Gaza and the Rule of Law.



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    He is a socialist, hypocrite, liar, demagogue. Why would anyone expect him to get the issue right?

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    He is the independent Senator from Vermont.

    Bookmarking thread to read later.

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    Let’s turn this around for a moment: Had the Israeli public been subjected to a massive military crackdown including 369 military incursions into Israel and 110 bombing attacks on Israel during which 11 Israelis had been killed, 78 wounded, and 700 arrested, and then had six Israeli soldiers been killed in a single air and ground military operation, would the Senate have omitted mention of all such facts and voted by unanimous consent that responding Israeli forces were “unprovoked?” Would the Senate have voted that the one attacking Israel was defending itself and that Israeli forces were the ones engaging in “belligerent actions?”
    There yah go... Capital Hill politicians are prostitutes or ideological psychotics... the Israeli propaganda spewed on American airwaves and by all the subversively funded Think Tanks, Special Interest, devise forcing divide under every possible reason, in turn creates the fear & then militarized police state.

    Anytime you see :Military & Operation whatever... tyranny-death are soon to follow. It's all BS with these government swindlers, let's name it for what it is: Operation Enduring Concentration Camp
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt150 View Post
    He is a socialist, hypocrite, liar, demagogue. Why would anyone expect him to get the issue right?
    I can tell you this.....the socialists don't claim him and can't really stand him these days.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/...ernie-sanders/

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt150 View Post
    He is a socialist, hypocrite, liar, demagogue. Why would anyone expect him to get the issue right?
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to sgt150 again.
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    Yawn. Another thread started by ignorant dumbasses who pretend Hamas doesn't want to commit genocide when they even say they want to commit genocide.

    When you all acknowledge that ppl who promise genocide actually want genocide, you'll understand Hamas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maybemaybenot View Post
    Yawn. Another thread started by ignorant dumbasses who pretend Hamas doesn't want to commit genocide when they even say they want to commit genocide.

    When you all acknowledge that ppl who promise genocide actually want genocide, you'll understand Hamas.
    Did Israel create Hamas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maybemaybenot View Post
    Yawn. Another thread started by ignorant dumbasses who pretend Hamas doesn't want to commit genocide when they even say they want to commit genocide.

    When you all acknowledge that ppl who promise genocide actually want genocide, you'll understand Hamas.
    U calling me a dumbass?
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    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    Did Israel create Hamas?
    Maybe they unintentionally created Hamas, but even the sources/links provided here don't say Israel controls or purposely started them, which is what all you conspiracy theory crazies say about ISIS and everything else on the planet. Are you saying it was wrong of Israel to try to create a moderate Muslim organization that would potentially lead to a peace treaty? Also, worrying about Hamas is semantics here. Palestine in general is committed to destroying Islrael, they say this, their charters say it, they teach it to their kids, their public TV teaches it. Hamas is the government in Gaza, and the PA does all the same thing Hamas does in the West Bank they've just been polite for the last few yrs. Lol ppl call Abbas a moderate, the man funded the murder of innocent children in terrorist attacks, he funded the Munich Olympic massacre.

    Israel wants to destroy Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, any organization committed to destroying Israel. Even though the PLO charter still calls for Israel's destruction, violating the Oslo Accords that created the PA, Israel does not bomb the PA right now. Because the PA isn't attacking Israel right now, and they're paying lip service to two states, and that's the best anyone can ask for. But Hamas is attacking Israel, and terrorists in the PA's West Bank territory are attacking Israel. That needs to stop. Palestine doesn't get sovereignty until they respect their neighbor's sovereignty, that's the definition of sovereignty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    U calling me a dumbass?
    Do you believe Hamas does not wish to commit genocide? I'm not asking if they will, because obviously Israel is going to prevent Hamas's genocide, because they won't ever follow the advice of ignorant internet trolls half a world a away from them. I'm asking if Hamas want to commit genocide. You don't agree that they want to kill every Jew? You're just going to ignore their charter and statements, and pretend its irrelevant, while presenting no fact to justify this?

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    Israel wants to destroy Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, any organization committed to destroying Israel. Even though the PLO charter still calls for Israel's destruction, violating the Oslo Accords that created the PA, Israel does not bomb the PA right now. Because the PA isn't attacking Israel right now, and they're paying lip service to two states, and that's the best anyone can ask for. But Hamas is attacking Israel, and terrorists in the PA's West Bank territory are attacking Israel. That needs to stop. Palestine doesn't get sovereignty until they respect their neighbor's sovereignty, that's the definition of sovereignty.
    Israel stole the land and is committing a Palestianian genocide. So they have no right to sovereignty or to exist. Take your disgusting Zionist Nazi propaganda out of here, shill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maybemaybenot View Post
    Do you believe Hamas does not wish to commit genocide? I'm not asking if they will, because obviously Israel is going to prevent Hamas's genocide, because they won't ever follow the advice of ignorant internet trolls half a world a away from them. I'm asking if Hamas want to commit genocide. You don't agree that they want to kill every Jew? You're just going to ignore their charter and statements, and pretend its irrelevant, while presenting no fact to justify this?
    Didn't answer the question and most likely didn't read the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt150 View Post
    Israel stole the land and is committing a Palestianian genocide. So they have no right to sovereignty or to exist. Take your disgusting Zionist Nazi propaganda out of here, shill.
    *WET FART SOUND* First of all, they didn't steal land from anyone, the Arabs invaded in 1947 promising to destroy the country before Israel stole one inch of land. The Arabs also stole Jewish land. Secondly, If Israel wanted to commit genocide, why did it offer 95% of the West Bank and Gaza in 2000? Why did it offer more than 100% of the West Bank and Gaza in 1947, before either country existed?

    And would you admit that Gazans want to commit genocide? Since they actually overwhelmingly elected a group promising to kill every Jew in their charter? Or do you hold Muslims to zero standards?

    Seriously, who did Israel steal the land from? Turkey? The UK? Cuz Palestine wasn't a country in 1946. Israel and Palestine were invented at the exact same time. You're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    What happens when you invade a militarily superior country (before they even occupy your country)? You get rubble.

    What happens when you vote for a terrorist group that launches rockets and sends suicide bombers into Israel, promises to destroy Israel, promises to kill every Jew, and uses schools/hospitals/homes as human shields? You get rubble.

    If Palestine keeps attacking Israel, maybe they could become a TV studio for a live action Flinstones show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maybemaybenot View Post
    What happens when you invade a militarily superior country (before they even occupy your country)? You get rubble.

    What happens when you vote for a terrorist group that launches rockets and sends suicide bombers into Israel, promises to destroy Israel, promises to kill every Jew, and uses schools/hospitals/homes as human shields? You get rubble.

    If Palestine keeps attacking Israel, maybe they could become a TV studio for a live action Flinstones show.

    All 100 Senators, including Vermont’s Bernie Sanders and Patrick Leahy, joined in passing a Senate resolution on July 17, 2014 supporting “the State of Israel as it defends itself against unprovoked rocket attacks from the Hamas terrorist organization.”

    However, the facts differ.

    A report issued by the authoritative the “Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center” (ITIC), a private Israeli think tank that “has close ties with the country’s military leadership,” unintentionally debunked the Senate resolution more than a week before its unanimous consent vote in the Senate. The weekly ITIC reports regarding rocket fire are frequently quoted on the Israeli government’s own web site.

    The ITIC July 8, 2014 report,“News of Terrorism and the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (July 2 – 8, 2014),” states: “For the first time sinceOperation Pillar of Defense [November 2012], Hamas participated in and claimed responsibility for rocket fire [on July 7, 2014].”

    Thus, Hamas rocket fire only re-started on July 7after a 19 month cease-fire. As we will see, this was nearly a month after Israeli forces launched massive military operations in the West Bank and Gaza starting on June 12. But those Israeli military operations were not the only provocation.

    First, about the cease fire that was in place: Operation Pillar of Defense was an 8 day aerial assault on Gaza in November 2012 that ended with a ceasefire agreement brokered by Egypt. Graphs presented on the ITIC website show that the cease-fire was effective. In the weeks and months following that agreement, the ITIC consistently reported the absence of Hamas rocket fire. In addition, a May 2013 article in the Jerusalem Post, “IDF source: Hamas working to stop Gaza rockets,” reported that Hamas was policing other groups to prevent rocket fire.

    The July 8 ITIC report also divulged why Hamas launched its first rocket fire at Israel in more than 19 months on July 7: On that night Israeli forces had bombed and killed 6 Hamas members in Gaza. The ITIC report includes a picture of the six Hamas members. Thus, a report from an authoritative Israeli source described the provocation for the resumption of rocket fire: Hamas rocket fire began only after Israeli forces had engaged in nearly a month of military operations in violation of the ceasefire agreement and had killed 6 Hamas members in Gaza.

    The Palestine Center for Human Rights (PCHR) also issues weekly reports, these reports focusing on Israeli human rights violations in the occupied territories, including the West Bank and Gaza. In its July 10 weekly report, PCHR gave further details of the events that immediately preceded the July 7 Hamas rocket launchings: PCHR reports:

    Between 01:00 and 16:00, the bodies of 5 members of the ‘Izziddin al-Qassam Brigades (the armed wing of Hamas) were recovered from a tunnel dug near Gaza International Airport in the southeast of the southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah. They were identified as: Ibrahim Dawod al-Bal’awi, 24; ‘Abdul Rahman Kamal al-Zamli, 22; Jum’a ‘Atiya Shallouf, 26; and Khaled ‘Abdul Hadi Abu Mur, 21, and his twin brother, Mustafa. Another three members were recovered alive, but one was in a serious condition. It should be noted that the tunnel was repeatedly bombarded by Israeli warplanes and tanks. According to medical sources, the deceased inhaled toxic gases. The ‘Izziddin al-Qassam Brigades declared in an online statement that 5 of its members were killed as a result of airstrikes that targeted places of resistance activities.

    The facts show that Israeli forces had to work quite hard to get Hamas to end its cease-fire. The killing of the six Hamas members was not an isolated event. Israeli forces and settlers had gone wild on the West Bank starting on June 12 after the kidnaping of three Israeli teens. Israeli forces had also attacked 60 targets in Gaza during those three weeks of June. Then, on the night of July 7, 2014, the Israeli Air Force had attacked approximately 50 more “terrorist targets” in the Gaza Strip, as described in the ITIC report.

    Human Rights Watch (HRW) reported on July 3:

    Israel’s military operations in the West Bank following the abduction and killing of three Israeli teenagers have amounted to collective punishment. The military operations included unlawful use of force, arbitrary arrests, and illegal home demolitions.

    The HRW report also states that:

    Israeli forces have arrested about 700 Palestinians since June 12, 2014, and are currently detaining at least 450, some during the large-scale military incursions and others who are known supporters or leaders of the Hamas Reform and Change Party, which won Palestinian elections in 2006, according to Addameer, a Palestinian prisoner’s rights group.

    Giving more details, several of the weekly reports from the Palestine Center for Human Rights (PCHR) indicate that Israeli forces and settlers killed 11 Palestinians and wounded 51 during 369 incursions into the West Bank between June 12 and July 2 and that Israeli forces raided hundreds of houses on the West Bank each week. Israeli forces also launched the 60 bombing attacks on Gaza and one ground incursion, wounding 27 people in Gaza during those three weeks.

    While all these attacks in the West Bank and Gaza did produce rocket fire from other groups in Gaza during June–which the ITIC reports had been almost zero during the previous month–the attacks did not provoke Hamas itself to fire rockets. To predictably accomplish that feat, Israeli forces had to go further and kill the 6 Hamas members on July 7.

    The Senate resolution names Hamas in nearly every one of its deeply flawed paragraphs. Yet it fails to mention any of the facts about Israel’s military operations in the West Bank and Gaza.

    Let’s turn this around for a moment: Had the Israeli public been subjected to a massive military crackdown including 369 military incursions into Israel and 110 bombing attacks on Israel during which 11 Israelis had been killed, 78 wounded, and 700 arrested, and then had six Israeli soldiers been killed in a single air and ground military operation, would the Senate have omitted mention of all such facts and voted by unanimous consent that responding Israeli forces were “unprovoked?” Would the Senate have voted that the one attacking Israel was defending itself and that Israeli forces were the ones engaging in “belligerent actions?”

    Why did the Senate get this so wrong? Why did Bernie Sanders and Patrick Leahy allow their names to be used for pro-war propaganda so at variance with the facts?

    James Marc Leas is a Vermont attorney and is a past co-chair of the National Lawyers Guild Free Palestine Subcommittee. He collected evidence in the Gaza Strip from November 27 to December 3, 2012 as part of a 20 member delegation from the US and Europe and co-authored several articles describing findings. He also participated in the National Lawyers Guild delegation to Gaza after Operation Cast Lead in February 2009 and contributed to its report, Onslaught: Israel’s Attack on Gaza and the Rule of Law.



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    Quote Originally Posted by maybemaybenot View Post
    *WET FART SOUND* First of all, they didn't steal land from anyone, the Arabs invaded in 1947 promising to destroy the country before Israel stole one inch of land. The Arabs also stole Jewish land. Secondly, If Israel wanted to commit genocide, why did it offer 95% of the West Bank and Gaza in 2000? Why did it offer more than 100% of the West Bank and Gaza in 1947, before either country existed?

    And would you admit that Gazans want to commit genocide? Since they actually overwhelmingly elected a group promising to kill every Jew in their charter? Or do you hold Muslims to zero standards?

    Seriously, who did Israel steal the land from? Turkey? The UK? Cuz Palestine wasn't a country in 1946. Israel and Palestine were invented at the exact same time. You're welcome.
    The Gazans have been radicalized because of decades of occupation and genocide. No side is guilt-free, but Israel is the clear aggressor in this situation and has committed the vast majority of the war crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt150 View Post
    The Gazans have been radicalized because of decades of occupation and genocide. No side is guilt-free, but Israel is the clear aggressor in this situation and has committed the vast majority of the war crimes.
    Israel was invaded by its Muslim neighbors before an inch of land was stolen. Starting a democracy is not taking ppl's land. It was horrible that they kicked out 700k Muslims (just like the Arabs kicked out close to a million Jews), but the Arabs were the aggressor by invading before Israel fired a single bullet or stole an inch of land. Israel offered back all the land conquered from Palestine for peace, they rejected it. So apparently Gaza was radical before Israel did a thing to Gaza.

    Then, in 1967, Israel conquered the West Bank, Gaza and the Sinai peninsula (Sinai was the majority of their land), and offered all of it back immediately for peace with Jordan and Egypt (except Israel annexed Jerusalem). Israel gave back the majority of their land, the Sinai, but Egypt/Jordan didn't want the West Bank and Gaza. Ever since, the West Bank and Gaza has rejected any peace treaty with Israel, and keep on attacking for all the land. So apparently, Gaza as been radical sinc eIsrael offered them 95% of the West Bank and Gaza (and the dismantling of the vast majority of the settlements), and Palestinians responded by killing 500+ civilians with suicide bombers. So Gaza was radical before Israel did a thing to them.

    Are you saying Israel isn't allowing to fight the terrorists because they have an unfair military advantage? Hamas and the other groups are promising to destroy Israel unconditionally. Go tell them to stop attacking Israel, like they've been doing since before Israel stole an inch of land.

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    Israel is the only Middle Eastern nation that has ever launched an unprovoked military attack against the US.

    Hamas and Israel are born in each other's image. Supporting either side likely requires a waste of US tax dollars - and more than that, a waste of US lives.



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