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    Americans Still Oppose Lowering the Drinking Age - 74% to 25%

    SMH That is astounding. What a bunch of control freak nannies. An 18-year-old is tried as an adult, can go to war, pay taxes, and enter into contracts, but Americans still won't allow them to have a GD drink (and according to this, the 21 and under crowd are fine with that).

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/174077/lo...nking-age.aspx

    Thirty years after federal legislation established 21 as a uniform minimum age to drink alcohol in all states, Americans are widely opposed to lowering the legal drinking age to 18. Seventy-four percent say they would oppose such legislation, while 25% would favor it. The level of opposition is similar to what Gallup has measured in the past.



    In 1984, President Ronald Reagan signed into law a bill that withheld a portion of federal highway funds from states that did not have a minimum drinking age of 21. A Gallup Poll conducted weeks before Reagan signed the law found Americans widely favored raising the drinking age to 21, by 79% to 18%.
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    Despite the progress made in reducing traffic deaths involving alcohol, drunk driving remains a factor in many automobile fatalities. Also, one of the major concerns with alcohol today is binge drinking among young adults, and it is not clear that having a higher drinking age helps in that regard. Rather, some experts suggest lowering the drinking age, and teaching teens and young adults to drink responsibly at a younger age, would help to reduce the allure of alcohol to those forbidden by law to possess it.

    But Americans are either not aware of or not persuaded by such arguments, given that public support for a minimum drinking age of 21 seems pretty solid and consistent over the past three decades.
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    Implications

    It is widely known that underage drinking remains common in the U.S., despite the uniform minimum drinking age of 21 in all states. One proposed solution to the problem is to lower the drinking age to 18. Although such a move could be seen as giving in to law-breaking, it may also encourage those under 21 who drink to do so in public settings where their alcohol intake can be better monitored.

    The United States' minimum age of 21 is higher than in nearly every other country. Further, there are questions about why those under 21 cannot legally drink alcohol when they are permitted to drive, vote, and serve in the military. In fact, that was the rationale that led many states to lower the drinking age to below 21 in the 1970s. Of course, those changes in the law created their own set of problems with drunk driving, although that may have been partly a result of the lack of uniformity in state drinking laws as well as irresponsible drinking by those between the ages of 18 and 20.

    In any case, the public is widely opposed to lowering the drinking age, and has been for some time. Thus, any proposed legislation to legalize drinking at the age of 18 is unlikely to succeed unless Americans' attitudes on the proper minimum drinking change. Even change in public attitudes alone may not be enough to change the law, as tying federal highway funds to a minimum drinking age of 21 is an incentive for states to leave their laws unchanged.
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    Lame.
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    Because...MADD

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    But you can join the military at 17 with parental permission to go fight monsters abroad.
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    LOWERING THE DRINKING AGE AMOUNTS TO A CONCESSION THAT GOVERNMENT CAN SAY WHAT AGE WE CAN DO THINGS AND STUFF

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    Should we do something to all of the Southern, conservative, Republican, elderly voters with little government education that regularly attend church and don't drink alcohol? Nah. But sadly, almost 100% of them voted against Ron Paul and will likely vote against Rand Paul too. We need to find a way to reach the evil statists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BUTSRSLY View Post
    LOWERING THE DRINKING AGE AMOUNTS TO A CONCESSION THAT GOVERNMENT CAN SAY WHAT AGE WE CAN DO THINGS AND STUFF
    You cannot be serious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BUTSRSLY View Post
    LOWERING THE DRINKING AGE AMOUNTS TO A CONCESSION THAT GOVERNMENT CAN SAY WHAT AGE WE CAN DO THINGS AND STUFF
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    But you can join the military at 17 with parental permission to go fight monsters abroad.
    Yup. When I was in, I knew 17 year olds. Though, people weren't exactly carded where I went for training...
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    People under 21 that I know are solidly in favor of lowering the drinking age.
    Stop believing stupid things

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    I was buyin' beer w/ a fake ID from 15 on, kickin' the bar scene w/ college chicks at 17 ftw!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUTSRSLY View Post
    LOWERING THE DRINKING AGE AMOUNTS TO A CONCESSION THAT GOVERNMENT CAN SAY WHAT AGE WE CAN DO THINGS AND STUFF
    What are you talking about? Having a drinking age at all does that.
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    I would have answered "oppose" to the question as well. I wouldn't support a federal law that would force every state to lower the legal drinking age to 18. Where does the federal government get the Constitutional authority to pass such a law? The issue should be decided by the states.

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    Either indoctrination has worked well or the poll is a load of marlarkey. Every 18-29 yr/ old I know would like to see 18 yrs. legal. 100%.
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    Whats really going on here is people are being deprived of the opportunity to learn how to drink responsibly. We dont need Govt to tell us this number of years is bad and that number of years is good. Being 18 or 21 is a focus on a number, and that number does not directly corolate to a level of responsibility. We could also look at other statistics. Ice Cream sales increase during summer months, so do break ins, thus the corolation is that ice cream causes crime, which simply is not true. Corolation is not equal to causation.

    More hiding behind children, but since this is not new, it should be obvious hiding behind children has always been the tactic of real terrorists and politcians.
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    I guess abolishing the drinking age is out of the question?
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    I want legislation putting the drinking age at 80.

    Maybe then these idiots will learn that making behavior harmful to no one illegal is for $#@! wits who get off on watching the Government punish behavior with boots to the neck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Madison View Post
    I guess abolishing the drinking age is out of the question?
    The Communists in Cuba and Vietnam don't have a drinking age. What are you, a Communist?!?!
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    I think we ought pass a law that requires every Congressman and Senator to experience Police Brutality first hand and have the jackboot on their throat before being considered as eligible for office. Oh, and Cops before graduating from Cop School too. Oh, and, aw $#@! it, anyone that works for Govt, period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    I would have answered "oppose" to the question as well. I wouldn't support a federal law that would force every state to lower the legal drinking age to 18. Where does the federal government get the Constitutional authority to pass such a law? The issue should be decided by the states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikender View Post
    I want legislation putting the drinking age at 80.

    Maybe then these idiots will learn that making behavior harmful to no one illegal is for $#@! wits who get off on watching the Government punish behavior with boots to the neck.
    I think helmets in cars should be mandatory as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I think helmets in cars should be mandatory as well.
    Bikers already have to wear helmets in 47 states. Why not drivers?
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    I'd up the minimum age to join the military to 21, at least right to kill for the government will be the same as right to be drunken. I think peoples brains start turning on around that age, and fully engaged by 30. So, at least the little guppies will have a bit longer to think before being brain washed.

    Hell, a military recruiter came by when I was close to graduating high school, I almost joined, back then if you'd asked me what I was, I'd have said democrat most likely, and what I thought about US wars I'd probably been pro all of them. Then I switched to republican early 2000's, just because they sounded more fiscally responsible, then mid twenties-30's morphed in to the political mind of perfection I am today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith and stuff View Post
    Bikers already have to wear helmets in 47 states. Why not drivers?
    I think it's less than that, but still...safety first.

    In fact, more people are killed every year by slips trips and falls around the house, than are killed by drunk drivers.

    I think 24/7 mandatory helmet usage should be enforced, with in home sureveillance to monitor for compliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    I would have answered "oppose" to the question as well. I wouldn't support a federal law that would force every state to lower the legal drinking age to 18. Where does the federal government get the Constitutional authority to pass such a law? The issue should be decided by the states.
    Yeah, at first I was annoyed and then I thought MAYBE a small percentage of people who are reading are thinking along these lines?

    Although, at a state level, I would vote against any drinking age. I can understand (note that that doesn't mean I'm thrilled with it) an age limit to buy the stuff but if a parent wants to let their kid drink at home or anywhere else, why is that anyone else's business?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulConventionWV View Post
    What are you talking about? Having a drinking age at all does that.
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    thats stupid. I worked on the MO 18 to drink ballot initiative. We weren't able to get it on the ballot but at least is was worth a try.

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