Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 71

Thread: Ebola 660 Fatalities of 1093 Infected; MERS 327/850 Fatal

  1. #1

    Ebola 660 Fatalities of 1093 Infected; MERS 327/850 Fatal

    Yes.

    Any body fluids including
    sweat have the Ebola virus

    Yes.



    Shaking hands
    with confirmed Ebola patients transmits the disease.



    Sierra Leone Ministry of Health & Sanitation June 4, 2014
    http://news.sl/drwebsite/publish/pri...00525509.shtml



    Patrick Sawyer is Dead.






    Dr. Kahn is infected.

    Ebola is in Lagos, Nigeria; population 15,000,000

    Unraveling like a medical thriller:
    Epic Pandemic Brewing.


    Saudatu Koroma is infected and on the run in Freetown, Sierra Leone population 1,000,000



    http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/07/new-west-africa-cases-lift-ebola-total-1093


    Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Liberia reported 45 new cases and 28 deaths from Jul 18 to Jul 20, boosting the overall outbreak total to 1,093 infections, 660 of them fatal, the WHO said today in an update.

    []

    Over the last week, Sierra Leone became the hardest-hit country and has now registered 454 cases, 219 of them fatal. Guinea—the first country affected by the outbreak—has reported 415 cases, but has the highest number of deaths at 314. So far Liberia has reported 224 EVD infections, along with 127 deaths.

    []

    "The situation is quite serious and it would be addressed as an emergency,"

    []

    In Sierra Leone, a doctor who has played a key role in the country's response to the outbreak has been hospitalized with an EVD infection, according to a BBC report, which cited a statement from Sierra Leone's president.


    The doctor, Sheik Umar Kahn, tested positive for the virus and has been hospitalized in Kailahun, an outbreak hotspot.


    The BBC also reported that nurses in Kenema recently went on strike following the deaths of three of their colleagues

    []

    http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-persp...otal-tops-1000

    FAO caution singles out fruit bats

    The FAO said today that although curbing human-to-human EVD transmission is the most important focus, it is working closely with the WHO to raise awareness about transmission risks from wildlife among rural communities that hunt bush meat to supplement their diets and income.


    The agency said the communities risk future spillover from species that carry the virus, including fruit bats, some primates, and duikers—small antelopes native to sub-Saharan Africa.


    Juan Lubroth, DVM, the FAO's chief veterinary officer, said in a statement that the group isn't suggesting that people stop hunting, because that wouldn't be realistic. "But communities need clear advice on the need not to touch dead animals or to sell or eat the meat of any animal that they find already dead."

    []

    The FAO said it has committed resources and has been working with partners to improve information about the disease using existing networks that include rural radio and agricultural extension services. It also added that it will work with governments to set up wildlife surveillance systems to more quickly detect the virus.


    The FAO, however, said

    fruit bats should be avoided altogether,

    because they are the most likely reservoir for the virus and can carry it without showing signs of disease. In West Africa, fruit bats are usually eaten dried or in a spicy soup, the group added.

    GRAPHIC
    IMAGE OF INFECTED HUMAN HAND SHOWING INTERNAL BLEEDING
    http://absolute-news.com/wp-content/...ebola-hand.jpg
    http://www.costaricantimes.com/wp-co...k-africa-2.jpg


    Courtesy of CDC



    http://america.aljazeera.com/article...ntistssay.html
    Saudi scientists have found gene fragments of the deadly Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) virus in a barn housing an infected camel, in a discovery that could suggests the disease may be transmitted through the air.






    Meanwhile:

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/geek...213258524.html
    A young man in China died of bubonic plague
    last week, triggering officials to take the drastic step of indefinitely isolating an entire large section of a city.


    The Verge reported that some 30,000 people in Yumen, China – about one-third of the entire city’s population – are being prevented from having any physical contact with the outside world in order to stop the potential spread of the deadly bacterial infection.
    Dozens placed in quarantine after China plague death

    BBC News-Jul 22, 2014
    Part of a city in north-west China has been sealed off and dozens of people placed in quarantine after a man died of bubonic plague, state ...

    Bubonic-Plague Death Triggers Quarantine of Chinese City
    TIME-Jul 22, 2014
    Parts of Chinese city in quarantine after plague death: Xinhua
    Highly Cited-Reuters-Jul 22, 2014
    It's Not Time to Worry About China's Plague Just Yet
    Opinion-Daily Beast-20 hours ago
    Chinese city under quarantine after bubonic plague death
    In-Depth-Brisbane Times-Jul 22, 2014
    Bubonic plague case triggers lockdown of Chinese city
    Blog-RT (blog)-Jul 23, 2014

    Four Cases of Life-Threatening Plague Found in Colorado

    By Sonali Basak and Jennifer Oldham July 19, 2014

    Three more plague cases were found in Colorado, a week after the first infection of the deadliest form of the disease was reported in the state in a decade.
    The man initially reported with pneumonic plague on July 11 is hospitalized. Two of the new cases also had pneumonic plague, while the third had a milder form. All four cases may be linked to the original man’s dog, which died from the illness, state health officials said.

    “While this is not a daily, weekly, or monthly occurrence, it isn’t without precedence,” said Jim Siedlecki, director of public information of Adams County, where the original victim lives, in a telephone interview. “A case of plague where fleas and prairie dogs are involved isn’t earth shattering for Colorado.”
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...nd-in-colorado





    http://www.newscientist.com/article/...nd-europe.html

    Threatwatch is your early warning system for global dangers, from nuclear peril to deadly viral outbreaks. Debora MacKenzie highlights the threats to civilisation – and suggests solutions



    Chikungunya is on the move. Locally acquired cases of the mosquito-borne virus, native to central Africa, have been identified in the US for the first time, and virologists are warning it could spread to Europe. At the same time, the virus is rampaging across the Caribbean, which has seen a 24 per cent increase in cases in the last week alone.


    The virus, which causes rash, fever and severe joint pain, has exploded in Central America and the Caribbean since its arrival in the western hemisphere last December. As of 18 July, the number of cases identified across the Caribbean and parts of the surrounding mainland this year is 442,000 – a 24 per cent rise on last week's figure.


    The Dominican Republic is especially hard hit, with more than 250,000 sick. So too are Haiti, Guadeloupe and Martinique, which have each identified between 50,000 and 63,000 cases. The virus is also spreading in El Salvador, Costa Rica, Venezuela, Guyana, French Guiana and Suriname on the mainland. The virus is rarely lethal, but 26 people have died in the epidemic so far. Many survivors have lasting pain.

    []

    More worryingly, last week health authorities also confirmed the first two locally acquired cases of chikungunya in Florida
    Last edited by presence; 07-25-2014 at 08:43 AM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...




  2. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  3. #2
    hey I've got an idea... why don't we round up tens of thousands of diseased persons from the jungles of Central America and distribute them to urban centers throughout the United States?

  4. #3
    Prayers for Dr. Kahn. I pray he pulls through and they get this under control. The designation 'hero' is often overused, but these healthcare professionals have undoubtedly earned it. Given the degree of precautions taken and how meticulous they were with protection, I'm very worried for their sake.

    On a side note: something needs to be done about the illegal bush meat trade. It's pretty sketch and causing this awful crisis that requires a great investment of time, money, and resources. While it's not the most libertarian position, I think it makes the most economic and moral sense to develop a safer regulatory process for meats and crack down on unsafe practices.

  5. #4
    Dried fruit bat is my favorite snack!

    Actually I know a woman with chikungunya. I think she picked it up in Burma along with dengue fever.

    The chikungunya never goes away. The doctors at the CDC (where she went to get diagnosed) advised her to stay indoors when she has symptoms to avoid being bitten by a mosquito which then might carry the virus to another person. In other words, once you have the disease, you are a carrier.
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

    "Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron

    "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton

  6. #5
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...-populous-city

    Yesterday, when reporting on the latest tragic development in the wost ever Ebola outbreak to sweep through west Africa, namely that the head doctor tasked with containing the virus had himself contracted it, we commented that the "only good news, if any, is that even as the epidemic which has raged for months, and now appears to be out of control, it has not spilled out of Africa into other continents yet." That may not be the case for much longer following an update earlier today by Reuters that a Liberian man in his 40s is being tested for the deadly Ebola virus in Nigeria's commercial capital of Lagos, a megacity of 21 million people, the Lagos State Health Ministry said on Thursday.

    This would be the first recorded case of one of the world's deadliest diseases in Nigeria, Africa's biggest economy and most populous nation, with 170 million people and some of Africa's least adequate health infrastructure.
    What is worse is that, if indeed confirmed that he has been infected, the scramble will now begin to find and quarantine any and all other people he may have been in contact with in recent weeks, a task which in a city of over 20 million - the world's fourth most populous city after Being and above Istanbul - will be like finding a rational thinker in the Princeton economics department. [lol]

    And where things get really dicey is if any of those infected people somehow managed to get on a plane in the last few days and departed for destinations unknown. At that point a watching of the 1995 Ebola thriller "Outbreak" may be in order.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

  7. #6
    And someone ridiculed me for mentioning Ebola in one of the border threads.

  8. #7
    This scenario raises an interesting question for ancaps and anyone who subscribes to the NAP. Is forcibly quarantining a person acceptable? What if that person is infected with a deadly pathogen? Could private security handle this?
    Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. -James Madison

  9. #8
    Could it get worse?

    1). Well-to-do person living in an area with deadly a contagious disease outbreak thinks that they might have been exposed... They quickly book a flight to the USA for a 2nd opinion and/or seeking better healthcare facility. After all, it's a free market and this person can easily afford to fly 1s class and is in a position (thanks to the war on some drugs) to purchase the very best healthcare care money can buy. The other 1st class passengers don't realize the disease is highly contagious at the point in time just before any symptoms appear.

    2). After breezing through airport customs since all those important papers say everything is just ducky (tsa does not get to check for high rectal temperature because they are focused on outbound passengers with nail clippers, box cutters, breast milk or water bottles), the goober-system finally catches up with them just as the high fever stage sets in... Yes, they are finally stopped... with an HTTP 403 error message on the Healthcare.gov website. They regret ever trying those candied fruit bat wings back home and for trying to see if they qualified for lower cost healthcare coverage!

    3). They quickly book a flight to another country with 2nd class, but good healthcare. By taking a combination of Acetaminophen and Ibuprofen, jumping through all the safety hoops and posing for the nude porno scanner, they get on the next flight out of Dodge with no problems.

    4.) Fortunately, the flight gets diverted around a scary looking cloud before the resulting bumpy flight causes the vomiting, diarrhea and bleeding from all the body orifices that would otherwise probably upset some of the other 1st class passengers.

    5) Unfortunately that inbound surface to air missile helps spread the disease over a wide area in a fine aerosol mist...



  10. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  11. #9
    Liberian man in Lagos being tested for Ebola

    Reuters UK - ‎9 hours ago‎
    A spokesman for the World Health Organization (WHO) in Geneva confirmed one suspected case of Ebola in Nigeria and said samples had been sent to a WHO lab for testing. Adeshina said Lagos state authorities had requested the flight's manifest to contact ...


    Nigeria Holds its Breath: Has Deadly Ebola Virus Reached Lagos?

    International Business Times UK - ‎8 hours ago‎
    If confirmed this would be the first case of Ebola in Nigeria, which has a population of 170 million. With its poor health infrastructure and lack of sanitation, the prospect of Ebola reaching Lagos is being taken extremely seriously. The local government has now ...




    Lagos State Confirms Possible Case Of Ebola Virus

    CHANNELS - ‎11 hours ago‎
    She warned residents to “keep personal and environmental hygiene” and urged those who notice “strange feeling or symptoms similar to those of Ebola virus, which ranges from fever, headache, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, sore throat and joint pains, which ...



    UPDATE 4-Liberian man in Lagos being tested for Ebola

    Reuters - ‎4 hours ago‎
    Lagos is a city of 21 million people. * Ebola has killed 660 people across West Africa (Adds comments from Sierra Leone official on health facilities). By Chijioke Ohuocha. LAGOS, July 24 (Reuters) - A Liberian man is being tested for the deadly Ebola virus ...




    Man tested for Ebola in Lagos

    CNBC.com - ‎11 hours ago‎
    A Liberian man in his 40s is being tested for the deadly Ebola virus in Nigeria's commercial capital of Lagos, a megacity of 21 million people, the Lagos State Health Ministry said on Thursday. Ebola has killed 632 people across Guinea, Liberia and Sierra ...




    Ebola Virus In Nigeria Possible, Health Officials Test Liberian Man In Lagos

    International Business Times - ‎6 hours ago‎
    The deadly Ebola hemorrhagic fever may have reached Nigeria, local health officials say. A Liberian man in his 40s is currently being tested for the virus in the capital city of Lagos, which is home to 21 million people, according to Reuters. The most recent ...



    Liberia man in Lagos hospital with Ebola-like symptoms

    eNCA - ‎8 hours ago‎
    LAGOS - A Liberian man has been hospitalised in Lagos with Ebola-like symptoms, but it is not yet clear if he is infected with the killer virus, Nigerian officials said on Thursday. The 40-year-old Monrovia resident arrived in Nigeria's mega-city on Sunday and ...



    Liberian with Ebola-like symptoms hospitalised in Lagos

    Premium Times - ‎7 hours ago‎
    Fear that the Ebola virus, which is raging in neighbouring West African countries, might have found its way into Nigeria was heightened on Thursday after a Liberian exhibiting the symptoms of the deadly disease was hospitalised in Lagos on Thursday.



    First case of Ebola reported in Lagos

    DailyPost Nigeria - ‎5 hours ago‎
    The Lagos state ministry of health says a 40-year-old Liberian man, who arrived the state last weekend, is being tested for deadly Ebola virus, but no result yet. Addressing a news conference today in Ikeja, Special Adviser to the governor on public Health, Dr.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  12. #10
    1. Patrick Sawyer, Lagos' First Suspected Ebola Victim, is Dead

      Nigerian Bulletin ‎- 10 minutes ago
      FrontPageAfrica has been informed that Mr. Patrick Sawyer, a WASH consultant at the Ministry of Finance, who had been quarantined since falling ill after ...

    http://www.frontpageafricaonline.com...-ebola-testing

    The man suspected of the deadly virus reportedly

    came in contact with the disease
    when caring for his sister
    who died as a result of the deadly virus


    at the St. Joseph Catholic Hospital in Monrovia




    Largest Cities of the World - (by metro population)

    NOTE: Numbers shown include population within the recognized metro area of the city, and they also include people
    living in the immediate surrounding area outside of the established border of the city, (the immediate suburbs)

    NOTE that some population numbers shown are accumulated at-best estimates, as consistent (2012 census) information
    is not yet unavailable in some parts of Africa and Asia.


    http://www.worldatlas.com/citypops.htm










    Last edited by presence; 07-25-2014 at 07:03 AM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  13. #11
    1. First Ebola victim in Sierra Leone capital on the run

      Reuters UK ‎- 30 minutes ago
      The results came back on Thursday. "The family of the patient stormed the hospital and forcefully removed her and took her away," Tunis said.
    ..

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  14. #12
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/24/opinion/garrett-ebola/

    (CNN) -- The Ebola epidemic now raging across three countries in West Africa is three-fold larger than any other outbreak ever recorded for this terrible disease; the only one to have occurred in urban areas and to cross national borders; and officially urgent and serious. At least 1,090 people have contracted the awful disease this year, though the epidemic's true scope is unknown because of widespread opposition to health authorities in afflicted Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.


    This week, 39-year-old physician Sheik Umar Khan -- labeled the country's hero for his brave leadership of the epidemic fight -- was hospitalized with Ebola, adding yet another public fear: that even the doctors cannot escape the disease.



    But as terrifying as Ebola is, the virus has been controlled in the past, and can be again. The current crisis, which threatens an 11-nation region of Africa that includes the continent's giant, Nigeria, is not a biological or medical one so much as it is political. The three nations in Ebola's thrall need technical support from outsiders but will not succeed in stopping the virus until each nation's leaders embrace effective governance.


    As was the case in Kikwit, Zaire, in 1995 -- an Ebola outbreak I personally was in as a journalist -- there is no vaccine or cure for the disease. The key to stopping its spread is rapid identification of the sick; removal of the ailing and deceased from their homes; and quarantine and high hygiene measures to prevent transmission of the virus to family members and health care workers.


    In the absence of such measures, Ebola will kill upwards of 70% of those it infects, as the virus punches holes in veins, causing massive internal hemorrhaging and bleeding from the eyes, ears, mouth and all other orifices.


    Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone are among the poorest, least governed states in the world. About half of the nations' adults are illiterate. The 11.75 million people of Guinea have a per capita annual income of merely $527, and their combined male/female life expectancy is 58 years. In 2011, the government of President Alpha Conde spent $7 on average per capita on health.
    Life is no better for the 4.2 million people living in neighboring Liberia, where per capita income is $454, life expectancy is 62 years and the government of President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf spends $18 per capita on health. In Sierra Leone, the 6 million residents have a per capita income of $809 per year, life expectancy is merely 46 years, and the government of the President, Dr. Ernest Bai Koroma, spent $13 per capita last year on health.



    Since Ebola first broke out in March in Guinea, fear has gripped the region, coupled with suspicion and wild rumors. Some have proclaimed the epidemic "divine retribution" for past sins. In April, Guinean health officials failed to quarantine an Ebola patient who reportedly spread the virus from a remote area to the capital -- a lapse that undermined government credibility.


    In April, a mob claiming that foreigners were spreading diseases attacked a Doctors Without Borders clinic in rural Guinea and forced the Nobel Peace Prize-winning group to abandon its mission. The charity returned only after it had negotiated its safety with local religious leaders. In the capital city of Conakry, families have been hiding their ailing relatives.


    Even the local Red Cross was forced to abandon a part of the country after men brandishing knives surrounded them. And in one district, police fired tear gas at a mob that was trying to raid the morgue in order to give their loved ones proper burials, despite the risk of contagion.


    As the epidemic spread to Sierra Leone in May, brought in by a traditional healer who tended to ailing Guineans and then returned home, similar problems surfaced. Family members defied a local quarantine, thereby spreading infection. By the end of May, authorities were losing track of Ebola sufferers amid widespread fleeing from health facilities; the toll of missing patients approached 60 by June.






    Some local leaders spread rumors that


    "the white people" were

    conducting experiments




    meanwhile...


    Peter Piot, director of the LSHTM, who co-discovered Ebola during its first outbreak, agrees with Farrar. "In general I believe that this continuing outbreak is

    a rare opportunity to evaluate the effectiveness of

    experimental drugs,"


    he says
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/25/health...html?hpt=he_c2
    Last edited by presence; 07-25-2014 at 09:14 AM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  15. #13
    I wouldn't get too excited about this. Ebola has been known for forty years and has been centered in one of the least hygenic parts of the planet, but has still managed to kill only about a thousand people. Not a likely candidate for the doomsday pandemic.
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

    "Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron

    "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton

  16. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    I wouldn't get too excited about this. Ebola has been known for forty years and has been centered in one of the least hygenic parts of the planet, but has still managed to kill only about a thousand people. Not a likely candidate for the doomsday pandemic.


    The Hot Zone

    "One of the most horrifying things I've ever read."
    --Stephen King

    Ebola Victim On The Run In West Africa Capital
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...africa-capital

    It's gone from bad (Mapping Africa's "Totally Out Of Control" Ebola Epidemic) to worse, (Head Doctor Fighting Africa's "Out Of Control" Ebola Epidemic Contracts The Virus), to much worse (Liberian Man Tested For Ebola In World's Fourth Most Populous City), to having run out of comparaitves - although we are leery of using a superlative just yet as we have a feeling Africa's Ebola's epidemic will deteriorate before it gets better. But the latest news is bad enough: as Reuters reported moments ago, Sierra Leone officials appealed for help on Friday to trace the first known resident in the capital with Ebola whose family forcibly removed her from a Freetown hospital after testing positive for the deadly disease.

    How big is Sierra Leone's capital Freetown: just around 1 million inhabitants, so yes, things are suddenly very much uncontained.
    Man Suspected Of Carrying Ebola Virus In World's Fourth Most Populous City Dies In Quarantine
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...ies-quarantine

    No matter the open questions, we are confident that there is nothing to worry about and that the risk of anyone else encountering the man (who may or may not have died from Ebola 24 hours later) while at the airport, and certainly flying off to non-African destinations, is below zero. In fact, we are confident that no matter what the story is, it is bullish for risk assets and certainly for global healthcare companies.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    I wouldn't get too excited about this. Ebola has been known for forty years and has been centered in one of the least hygenic parts of the planet, but has still managed to kill only about a thousand people. Not a likely candidate for the doomsday pandemic.
    I agree that Ebola in its present form is mostly smoke and no fire.

    BUT, as the virus lingers within the population, there are fears it will evolve into a form that is more easily spread between people. That's the real problem here.
    Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. -James Madison

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by James Madison View Post
    I agree that Ebola in its present form is mostly smoke and no fire.

    BUT, as the virus lingers within the population, there are fears it will evolve into a form that is more easily spread between people. That's the real problem here.
    That would be a real problem. If, for example, it became contagious by aerosol like influenza. Or maybe if it turned people into zombies that deliberately bit people to pass on the virus!
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

    "Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron

    "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton



  19. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  20. #17
    By the way, I think chikungunya IS a big deal. It is coming to the USA and we can't stop it. Not sure if it will be limited to the range of certain mosquitos or not. The good news is that it isn't fatal for most people (unlike ebola). The other good news is that it has a hilarious name and if you are one of the first to get it, it will be fun to say it at parties.
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

    "Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron

    "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton

  21. #18
    where my free market solutions at?

  22. #19
    Interesting development. It remains to be seen how this will evolve in the longer term. Often these highly virulent strains manage to "burn themselves out" by mechanisms that are unknown. Given the short-term modes of infection, one would expect huge areas to be pile-driven into the earth in short order, but this has not as yet happened.

    I suppose all we can do is sit back and watch the fireworks, hoping we don't end up hip-deep in it ourselves.

    A friend and I were just today wondering what will be the response here if and when all these disease-ridden "children" from god only knows where start infecting the children of middle-class Americans. It may prove most entertaining to watch the "compassionate" progressive liberals bear the burden of watching their children become deathly ill and, perhaps even dying because some Honduran child with the plague was admitted into the nation without any rational discriminatory filtering. My money says that once a given couple loses their first child to whatever horrid disease infects them, they will become perhaps a little more transparent with their truer feelings than they were when stupidity was a free, convenient, and apparently very satisfying ride for them.
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    where my free market solutions at?
    Bad things will still happen in a free society. Utopia is not one of the options. But maybe, if we really mature as a species, it WILL be an option to have a world in which we don't rob, murder, and enslave each other. And can work cooperatively to solve problems. How about it?
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

    "Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron

    "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton

  24. #21
    Patrick Sawyer CONFIRMED EBOLA test results:

    http://thecable.ng/all-entry-points-...lert-for-ebola

    His blood sample was taken to advanced laboratory at the Lagos University Teaching Hospital, which confirmed the diagnosis of Ebola Virus Disease. The result was corroborated by other laboratories outside Nigeria.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...906_story.html

    “We have already gotten in touch with all the passengers,” he said. “We are monitoring and investigating.”

    Ebola takes up to 20 days to show symptoms.
    Last edited by presence; 07-25-2014 at 04:36 PM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    Bad things will still happen in a free society. Utopia is not one of the options. But maybe, if we really mature as a species, it WILL be an option to have a world in which we don't rob, murder, and enslave each other. And can work cooperatively to solve problems. How about it?
    Oh, I accept that. I was just wondering if anybody's going to point out how free market is or can deal with this problem any better than anybody else at the moment.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    Oh, I accept that. I was just wondering if anybody's going to point out how free market is or can deal with this problem any better than anybody else at the moment.
    The concept of quarantine does bring into question the right of free movement and association... but when you body itself is a weapon... I can see the argument that one's very presence is an imposition on others; a violation of NAP. Much like someone with HIV going around having sex with ppl without informing them.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  27. #24
    How the Free Market Would Handle Quarantines
    http://mises.org/daily/2635/

    Saw this linked at ZH the other day:

    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock



  28. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    How the Free Market Would Handle Quarantines
    http://mises.org/daily/2635/
    This might work if you live in a world populated by doctors and infectious disease experts. I take it you don't?
    Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. -James Madison

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    Oh, I accept that. I was just wondering if anybody's going to point out how free market is or can deal with this problem any better than anybody else at the moment.
    A free market doesn't mean nobody ever cooperates to make rules for a community. I have no problem at all with government so long as it is with REAL consent of the governed. You could have a fully-consensual society with health authorities and power to quarantine. All it requires is agreement of those who will be bound by the rules.
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

    "Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron

    "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton

  31. #27
    Dear friend,

    I'm a nigerian princess and my rich uncle recently died unexpectedly. I desperately need your help laundering about 20 million USD's... I will give you 90% if you are able to help me with this. I'm sorry to say, the money is a bit "moist" as he kept it in his mattress, and it was, well... "messy"... I will be bringing the money with me personally. Hope you have a big car, there are several trunks...

    Please help!

    PS: Also please schedule an appointment for me with an infectious disease specialist ASAP! I'm feeling a bit under the weather...

    -t

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    The concept of quarantine does bring into question the right of free movement and association... but when you body itself is a weapon... I can see the argument that one's very presence is an imposition on others; a violation of NAP. Much like someone with HIV going around having sex with ppl without informing them.
    This argument is tenuous at best. By extension of that argument in perfect lockstep with the underlying principle of its construction, there is nothing to prevent claiming the authority to apprehend others at random or en masse because they might be infected. Slippery.slope
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    This argument is tenuous at best. By extension of that argument in perfect lockstep with the underlying principle of its construction, there is nothing to prevent claiming the authority to apprehend others at random or en masse because they might be infected. Slippery.slope
    Funny you mention that. Right after I read that there was a newsflash about a guy with TB who refused treatment and was on his way to Brazil - they said it would have to go through the courts to keep him away from the public... I think pandemics and the legal system run at different speeds, especially when you cross International borders...

    -t

  34. #30
    It appears the escaped Ebola patient in Sierra Leone has died.

    A Sierra Leone woman who fled hospital after testing positive for the Ebola virus has died after turning herself in, health officials have told the BBC.

    Her family had forcibly removed her from a public hospital on Thursday.

    Saudatu Koroma's is the first case of Ebola to be confirmed in the country's capital Freetown, where there are no facilities to treat the virus.
    It should be noted that Freetown is a major port city on the Atlantic Coast with over one million inhabitants.



    How many people did this woman infect before she died?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28505061
    Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. -James Madison

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast


Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 10-18-2014, 02:01 PM
  2. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 10-04-2014, 10:43 AM
  3. Replies: 6
    Last Post: 09-02-2014, 02:03 PM
  4. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 02-14-2011, 03:15 PM

Select a tag for more discussion on that topic

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •