Why is it that government almost always escapes financial collapses unscathed?

[Boshembechle]

and the blame almost entirely falls on "the free market". The federal reserve and federal policies were immune to blame in regards to the great depression, and anger at "capitlaism" set off nearly four decades of statist bull$#@! legislation. The 2008 collapse, again, was blamed on "the free market", and young people today (according to reason.com study) are increasingly believing that socialism will help them gain economic power, and this national feeling helped elect Obama twice.

Why do financial collapses always lead to people criticizing liberty and free economies, and turning to government to fix the busts? Happens every time. 1929, 2008, sometime in the future.

[Ronin Truth]

Perhaps because everything they have, they stole.

[Acala]

Because the people who profit from the scam also control the media and are experts in misleading people through fear and propaganda.

[thoughtomator]

If it's any consolation, the government will not survive the next financial collapse, as they have made both the currency and sovereign debt a part of the present uber-bubble.

[Cleaner44]

and the blame almost entirely falls on "the free market". The federal reserve and federal policies were immune to blame in regards to the great depression, and anger at "capitlaism" set off nearly four decades of statist bull$#@! legislation. The 2008 collapse, again, was blamed on "the free market", and young people today (according to reason.com study) are increasingly believing that socialism will help them gain economic power, and this national feeling helped elect Obama twice.

Why do financial collapses always lead to people criticizing liberty and free economies, and turning to government to fix the busts? Happens every time. 1929, 2008, sometime in the future.

Why is it that you continue to start threads with questions and then never participate in the discussion that results?

[Boshembechle]

If it's any consolation, the government will not survive the next financial collapse, as they have made both the currency and sovereign debt a part of the present uber-bubble.

I think the opposite. The government is more capable than ever at twisting collapses into a need for more power. And now the American populace is largely on its side.

[Acala]

I think the opposite. The government is more capable than ever at twisting collapses into a need for more power. And now the American populace is largely on its side.

They can't change the iron laws of economics. When the checks start bouncing, the balance changes.

[GunnyFreedom]

I think the opposite. The government is more capable than ever at twisting collapses into a need for more power. And now the American populace is largely on its side.

I think it has something to do with America's massive size and inertia. Take a 5' beach ball and a 5" beach ball. If you squeeze them both to 50% you end up squeezing the big one to a much more highly perceived amount. America is huge, and it feels like we've been squeezed so much we've been squeezed out, and you have to wonder is there ever a breaking point. Well there is, and you can see/feel/sense it in the undercurrents if you pay attention. The media may be showing us more today, but at the same time people getting stopped and fighting back is a new and growing phenomena. Anticop rampages were last seen at the pinnacle of alcohol prohibition, and they were a fraction of what we've seen today, now mostly carried out by ordinary citizens who just snap.

I am by no means defending it. I am simply recognizing it. There is only so much pressure and tyranny you can burden Americans with before they lose their shyt. I am not promoting that outcome either; I have worked tirelessly, even impoverishing myself entirely, since 2007 to fix it. To prevent it. To no avail. It is coming just as sure as the sunrise will come tomorrow.

So do not think that because we have been squeezed for so long that there is no end to it, no point at which the American Spirit will awaken in anger. It will, and it is coming. My worry is that they have not been paying attention, therefore their anger will be completely blind. My advice therefore is to position as the people who know what's going on so that we can help channel that anger constructively instead of destructively, which the PTB will attempt to do in an effort to seize more power.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Why is it that you continue to start threads with questions and then never participate in the discussion that results?

There are a couple of possibilities. Maybe more.

The OP is on other forums. I listed a Louisiana State U forum where he plays a liberal and listed a political forum where he plays a libertarian. I'm guessing that he gets paid on these forums. He posts their forum questions on RPF. People here answer the questions and then the OP reposts their answers on the forums where he gets paid. In other words, he gets people to do his work for him.

Another possibility is that he does freelance article writing. Different websites seek people to write freelance articles on a wide variety of topics. It really does not pay that well and it is time consuming, so the OP posts the subject of his articles on RPF. People answer the questions, thus providing the free material for the OP's articles.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I think the opposite. The government is more capable than ever at twisting collapses into a need for more power. And now the American populace is largely on its side.

The OP is likely pulling a Tom Sawyer and making suckers of all you people posting answers to his questions. His follow-up questions simply get you to write lots of paragraphs that he is likely using in his work.

[Cleaner44]

There are a couple of possibilities. Maybe more.

The OP is on other forums. I listed a Louisiana State U forum where he plays a liberal and listed a political forum where he plays a libertarian. I'm guessing that he gets paid on these forums. He posts their forum questions on RPF. People here answer the questions and then the OP reposts their answers on the forums where he gets paid. In other words, he gets people to do his work for him.

Another possibility is that he does freelance article writing. Different websites seek people to write freelance articles on a wide variety of topics. It really does not pay that well and it is time consuming, so the OP posts the subject of his articles on RPF. People answer the questions, thus providing the free material for the OP's articles.

Clearly the OP is disingenuous. His threads have no purpose other than to create content for him to use somewhere else. I guess that's one way to make a living.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I guess that's one way to make a living.

If he's doing what I think he's doing, then at least he can claim his work does not collect from government. Heh heh.

His methods on this board though, would make him a suitable government employee.

[Acala]

The OP is likely pulling a Tom Sawyer and making suckers of all you people posting answers to his questions. His follow-up questions simply get you to write lots of paragraphs that he is likely using in his work.

But remember, there are people who visit this forum and read what is written here even though they don't post. So responding to guys like this and other trolls is not a waste of time. It allows us to hone are arguments and persuasive skills and also to educate visitors.

[bunklocoempire]

Anyone seen any threads started by guests lately in the guest sub-forum?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

But remember, there are people who visit this forum and read what is written here even though they don't post. So responding to guys like this and other trolls is not a waste of time. It allows us to hone are arguments and persuasive skills and also to educate visitors.

Well, suit yourself, but a guy tricking me into doing his homework is about all the education I need.

[DamianTV]

First thing first. What we have is NOT a Free Market.

Any industry that gets Govt Subsidies to NOT produce is not a Free Market. Farmers that are paid to NOT farm in order to keep demand low and prices "reasonable". Certain types of industries are taxed, either by local taxes or by Import Taxes and Tariffs. Our taxes for imports and tariffs are so low that it is strangling our ability to compete in an actual Free Market. Govt *ahem* General Motors gets Bailouts. Banks get Bailouts. People get jack $#@!. They turn around and flat out lie to you and say "this is what a Free Market does" and it is the exact opposite of what reality is. Most people believe it though. Reasons being are numerous and better suited for other threads.

What we have is basically Crony Capitalism. Fascism is also roughly described as the merger between Corporate Superpowers and Government. Combine that with our Crony Capitalism and you end up with a completely Unfree Market. They dont want the Free Market to actually happen. Reason for that is simple. Abuse the power of Govt to prohibit competition. It maintains the Status Quo. Those who earn the most profits produce the least. And a truly Free Market is the ultimate threat to their ability to survive off your sweat, blood and tears.

[AFTFNJ]

Because the people who profit from the scam also control the media and are experts in misleading people through fear and propaganda.

DING DING DING DING We have a winner.
LameStream is controlled. No matter how smart a person is but you indoctrinate him thru childhood & Lamestream feeds you propaganda 24/7 & he will become the perfect lemming.

[LibForestPaul]

If it's any consolation, the government will not survive the next financial collapse, as they have made both the currency and sovereign debt a part of the present uber-bubble.

Governments are passe. It is all International Banking Cartels now.

[oyarde]

and the blame almost entirely falls on "the free market". The federal reserve and federal policies were immune to blame in regards to the great depression, and anger at "capitlaism" set off nearly four decades of statist bull$#@! legislation. The 2008 collapse, again, was blamed on "the free market", and young people today (according to reason.com study) are increasingly believing that socialism will help them gain economic power, and this national feeling helped elect Obama twice.

Why do financial collapses always lead to people criticizing liberty and free economies, and turning to government to fix the busts? Happens every time. 1929, 2008, sometime in the future.

Why ? Because this would not happen with a limited , Constitutional govt.

[oyarde]

Why is it that govt always sucks ? is always wasteful ? why do the waste other peoples money on things they would not ?

[Carson]

and the blame almost entirely falls on "the free market". The federal reserve and federal policies were immune to blame in regards to the great depression, and anger at "capitlaism" set off nearly four decades of statist bull$#@! legislation. The 2008 collapse, again, was blamed on "the free market", and young people today (according to reason.com study) are increasingly believing that socialism will help them gain economic power, and this national feeling helped elect Obama twice.

Why do financial collapses always lead to people criticizing liberty and free economies, and turning to government to fix the busts? Happens every time. 1929, 2008, sometime in the future.

Odd isn't it. The stealth back-door socialism is on a large part what is sucking the streagth out of the capital capitalism needs to function.

[Carson]

Why is it that govt always sucks ? is always wasteful ? why do the waste other peoples money on things they would not ?

Like the new trend to try and send everyone through college. If Aunt Martha isn't willing to take out a loan to put you through college is having the government rob her to do it really going to make your family better off?

On top of it is they may not care at all about you or your Aunt. Number one for them may just be the profits they will make through the looting process.

[2young2vote]

Government does NOT escape from financial collapses unscathed. They often lose tax revenue during hard economic times and must resort to creating more debt to continue functioning as they were. The problem is governments don't often scale back their operations. There is no "going back" in the eyes of a big government lover, they demand more, more, more without regard to efficiency, quality, and liberty.

[TheCount]

Economic downturns grow the government. Following Keynesian thought, the government increases spending during a depression in order to artificially maintain economic demand. Once the depression is over, too few politicians have the courage or convictions needed to decrease spending. If you follow the growth of government during the 20th century, you'll see that government spending (and therefore size) increases more during economic decline than it does during growth. You'll have to ignore war spending, though, that is a totally different issue.

[idiom]

Financial collapses bring down governments more reliably than war. The premise is flawed.